Doesn't mata. He's ours now and he's been juanderful.
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He was already doing the defensive work when he was being picked in CM earlier in the season. Its just that when he was playing there, he had minimal effect in creating or scoring.
Now he's on the right he's creating and scoring at a good rate, but he's still defending his fair share
Fair enough! Suffice it to say, I think we'll all lose it if he scores a decisive goal against Chelsea.
I don't know man, I don't even remember making that post before you quoted it.
I bet Oscar has more fouls feigned.
Mourinho done f*cked up.
Of course mata is better going forward. That is obvious. But I'd like to see the stats for distance covered and defensive contribution as well.
Mourinho done f*cked up.
This stuff just seems so obvious to me. Throw in goals against Pool and City and I just do not get it. He performs when it matters and consistently.
Mourinho done f*cked up.
I would have thought Oscar would have more passes to be honest. Before Chelsea everyone hyped him up to be a proper playmaker who could run the game.
I don't know about a direct comparison, but Mata is very often in the top 3 distance covered in our games.
It's a strange one. If Mata is to be believed, him and Mourinho had no relationship right from the start. He didn't get a chance to turn it right
Mourinho is just a twat. He kicked Mata out just because he could and wanted everyone to know he could.
Yeah he had to mark his territory and make a point that he's got more control from Roman this time around.
Nice interview.
Indeed, it'd be wonderful. Another performance like the one we seen at Anfield would be immense.
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Mata was bought by AvB and made the main man by Benitez, two manages Mourinho has fallen out with, whereas Oscar was a club signing. That probably also played a part in Mourinho's decision to make a point.
Anyway good that he felt the need to make a point, otherwise we would have never bought Mata.
Anyway good that he felt the need to make a point, otherwise we would have never bought Mata.
To be fair to Mourinho, the theory was that he didn't feel Mata did enough without the ball. Would need to compare their defensive stats to see how that panned out.
Mourinho done f*cked up.
On Talksport this morning it was rumoured that he was going to get rid of Oscar for exactly the same reason he got rid of Mata.
From that article;
'Mata is one of seven players to run over 30 kilometres in United’s last three games. However, having been withdrawn late on in the 4-2 win over Man City, he’s actually covered more ground per minute than the other six. More than the hard-running Ander Herrera. More than the fleet-footed Antonio Valencia.'
Not too shabby.
'Mata is one of seven players to run over 30 kilometres in United’s last three games. However, having been withdrawn late on in the 4-2 win over Man City, he’s actually covered more ground per minute than the other six. More than the hard-running Ander Herrera. More than the fleet-footed Antonio Valencia.'
Not too shabby.
The only attacking midfielder I'd have over him in the league right now is Hazard. Other than that, he's a cut above in current form.
For the same reasons? Whenever I have seen Oscar for Chelsea he has worked tirelessly but produced nothing else. I certainly wouldn't be shocked if Mourinho got rid of Oscar to bring in another CM though.
He's been playing 360° football. Moving in all directions up and down the pitch. Incredible stuff.
Just shows you what can be achieved if a manager can see you have talent and will give you time to fit into his system. That is good coaching, a willingness to nuture someone.
Exactly... Hazrd is awesome, but after him... right now... Carzorla or Sanchez would not be terrible picks... and other than that it is Mata for me. But back to the original Chelsea quandary... if you had to pick between Oscar or Mata, who would you pick?
And this.
Seriously the article from a few pages back shows convincingly that Mata does work at both ends of the pitch...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/23/juan-mata-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal
Here is perhaps the most relavent part quoted...
Seriously goals in big games... most distance covered.... assists all the time...
All I can say is... HUGS
!!Honestly, he's getting back to his world class best, and will only improve from now on in.
If I recall, Joe-Say's excuse for selling him was that Mata didn't track back as Oscar does. Not sure how valid that is, but the stats clearly don't back up the idea that the transfer was good for Chelsea.
His form now reminds me of why I was so excited the day I saw that helicopter land at Carrington. On his day, truly world class.
It was awful for them IMO. More of a knee jerk decision then anything, though they got a fair price. Ignoring the price though, Mourinho would have been far better off if he stuck with Mata and got him to work in his system, instead of going with Oscar who is half the player for me...
They might've won the title last season even, with his extra ability on the ball, creativity and the goals he brings which could have been key in those smaller games where they dropped points in constantly. Same with De Bruyne actually. People kept going on about how they got so much money for De Bruyne and Mata (and a few others), but are they actually better off without these players? Not at all IMO.
Never leave us, Juan.
Some one else singing his praises...
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-point-for-manchester-united-10182575.html
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-point-for-manchester-united-10182575.html
Exactly... Hazrd is awesome, but after him... right now... Carzorla or Sanchez would not be terrible picks... and other than that it is Mata for me. But back to the original Chelsea quandary... if you had to pick between Oscar or Mata, who would you pick?
And this.
Seriously the article from a few pages back shows convincingly that Mata does work at both ends of the pitch...
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/mar/23/juan-mata-manchester-united-louis-van-gaal
Here is perhaps the most relavent part quoted...
Seriously goals in big games... most distance covered.... assists all the time...
All I can say is... HUGS
Wow. I never imagined Mata as a defensive juggernaut.
Really good to see he is performing defensively. Does anyone have any defensive stats of Mata now vs Mata under Mourinho/Chelsea?Would be great comparison to see if Mourinho's criticism of Mata is justified. Could it be man management issues or could there be more to this than just stats?
There is always more than stats... these are just facts to consider but depending of the angle, it could mean anything and the contrary. Mata is an excellent player for United right now, he also seems to understand better what to do without the ball in the attacking and defensive phases as well, which is important.Wow. I never imagined Mata as a defensive juggernaut.
Would be great comparison to see if Mourinho's criticism of Mata is justified. Could it be man management issues or could there be more to this than just stats?
Interesting about Van Gaal's admission that he fields players if they are returning to their old club. I've always thought it's a great motivational technique. Mata plays
I think Mata changed as a player and used his previous experience at Chelsea and how he was benched by Mourinho to improve himself and regain a starting position at Utd.
I get where you are coming from but purely "running around a lot" doesn't make someone good defensively. I would still say Mata is relatively weak defensively however he is without doubt exceptional going forward which is exactly what we need from him.
Not suggesting he is terrible defensively just maybe not what Jose would look for in his team. I agree it was stupid for Chelsea to let him go though
Chelsea 1:0 Man Utd
Not as effective without Herrera near him.
He's been OK. Obviously has license to come inside and even to the left. Passing has been spot on. Set pieces haven't been great.
Could be more direct and aggressive in his play.
He definitely missed the link-up play with Herrera as that is vital to him getting into space and affecting the game, in that type of game we really needed a wide attacker that could run at a defense.
Yep, seemed really isolated today... constantly had to carry the ball in field to find the pass.
Maybe the occasion got to him today. Was a bit quiet.
And I've resigned myself to the idea that he's more of a goalscoring AM. Any creativity he might have had at Chelsea has been all but snuffed out here.
And I've resigned myself to the idea that he's more of a goalscoring AM. Any creativity he might have had at Chelsea has been all but snuffed out here.
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