Proper mayhem in here.
Jurgen Klopp Sack Watch
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Considering that Liverpool compare every incoming signing to the best players the world has ever seen, it could be argued that he's massively underachieved and should have won the treble every season
Why you so rattled?
The only pathetic thing here is you defending our bitter rivals. Whether they won it fair and square isn’t the point here.Some thin skins in this thread, and people showing their true colours as to who they actually support
Good post.
One season that is one of the greatest achievements in the history of professional team sports though.Yeah sure
Couldn't win anything with a Chelsea side that Mourinho turned almost unbeatable right after. Got sacked by Leicester midway through the season because they were one place above the relegation zone. The less said about his Watford period the better I guess.
Top 5 all-time for one season!
I'm rattled? Nah, not really. I accept they won the league. I got over it. I'm happy. You? You've willingly had this pointless argument that will never end ever since they won the league.Why you so rattled?
Yeah, I'm the one that's rattled.
I’m also well over it. The point you seem to be missing is this is all a wind up that rattles the scousers cage but judging by the tone of your posts it seems to rattle yours as well.
Hard to differentiate the people who are just winding up our handful of resident scousers from those who genuinely think their title should be asterisked.
See there again thinking I'm rattled. You seem adamant on wanting me to be rattled.
You’re the one that initially replied claiming I was a jealous, bitter little child. That’s quite a strong response from someone that doesn’t care. Anyways I won’t bog down this thread any further with this. Cheer up lad it’s just a little wind up on the scousers which is always fun.
Judging by the authors its mostly former rather than the latter. It seems they had it easy, caught few big ones.
I tend to agree, but given how daft some opinions are on here at times, we can never be 100% certain.
True that.
We all good bro.You’re the one that initially replied claiming I was a jealous, bitter little child. That’s quite a strong response from someone that doesn’t care. Anyways I won’t bog down this thread any further with this. Cheer up lad it’s just a little wind up on the scousers which is always fun.
especially if they slip!But when you think about it people are always walking right before they fall.
Excellent post
Wtf happened to City that season.
Anyway what's happening to them, while half the team was out they were winning, now players are coming back they're imploding.
yeah but matt le tissier could feel something brewing in the waters from at least the november beforehand. not surprising that a lot of the players and club got wind of that and fed off the general feel of unease.
Neville was right, Liverpool overachieved this season in challenging this deep. They could still win the league but I think its very unlikely now, especially with their run of away games.
Listening to Alexander-Arnold on The Overlap this morning, he explained that it is at this point in the season that Klopp would normally begin to feed into how much it would mean to win a trophy to the players and playing into emotion. Hearing that it sounds like the players were relayed that and shit the bed.
Listening to Alexander-Arnold on The Overlap this morning, he explained that it is at this point in the season that Klopp would normally begin to feed into how much it would mean to win a trophy to the players and playing into emotion. Hearing that it sounds like the players were relayed that and shit the bed.
There should really be an article on wikipedia similar to the Wartime League one explaining the Covid league and how it was pretty much a completely distinct and separate entity. Is an asterisks really enough when the whole world is turned upside-down?
Liverpool raced into such a big lead early doors that even their trick of putting together a near perfect second half of the season wouldn't have helped. So they thought feck it and focussed on the other competitions.
Plus they were knackered from scoring 198 points in two seasons. The same way Liverpool were shot to pieces the next season after a similar number of points over their two seasons.
They had an incredible amount of luck that year.
Some of the things that happened in their game beggars belief.
In a game vs Everton, van Dijk shanked it, and most thought it was going out of play. But due to the wind, it ended up bouncing on the crossbar and then onto Origi's head and into the back of the net. It was in injury time as well. Imagine that but for the first 29 games of the season.
Some of the things that happened in their game beggars belief.
In a game vs Everton, van Dijk shanked it, and most thought it was going out of play. But due to the wind, it ended up bouncing on the crossbar and then onto Origi's head and into the back of the net. It was in injury time as well. Imagine that but for the first 29 games of the season.
So... like every season?
What should be more under scrutiny is the erratic form they showed in some of the seasons when they finished below United. After winning the title a truly great manager wouldn't have finished outside the top 4 ever.
I have very little recollection of that season, but feck me, I didn't realise Liverpool went so far ahead.
They experienced an insane amount of luck that season in the first 29 games: scarcely believable deflections and opposition mistakes leading to goals; late, late winners which they didn’t deserve; opposition injuries to key players in the lead-up to Liverpool games… basically their greatest hits all rolled in one perfect 29-game storm for them.
I can vividly recall the following madcap incidents to benefit them straight off the top of my head from that season: Wijnaldum’s jammy winner away to Sheffield United (Henderson howler); Milner’s 95th minute winning penalty v Leicester the following week; their two goals in injury-time to beat Villa 2-1 away when a loss looked certain; Firmino’s late winners v Wolves and Palace… it was an absurd run of lack in a period when they weren’t dominating teams the way City would typically.
They were definitely good enough to be in the title race that season but to think they had 82/87 maximum points available by the shutdown was one of the most utterly bizarre things we’ll ever see in football. Even the Leicester title win wasn’t as fanciful as that Liverpool streak.
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You do know that there is no such thing as luck?
About the only stat not available in football. Liverpool would be top of that stat every season.
I’m not just talking about the goals they fluke.
Couple of things here.
1. The stats from that Leicester game show that Liverpool had 18 shots and 8 on target. Leicester had 2 and 1. Regardless of what you think about the penalty decision (it was a dive from Mane), Liverpool dominated that game (like how City would typically as you say).
2. The Villa game you reference. Aston Villa with 4 shots and 2 on target. Liverpool with 25 and 6 on target (73% possession as well). A well deserved win, regardless of it being last minute.
3. Wolves Liverpool. Wolves with 10 shots and 3 on target, Liverpool with 13 and 6. A close game but one that we edged.
4. City lost 3-2 to Norwich and were dropping stupid points throughout the first half of the season and beyond. They lost 2-0 to Mourinho's Spurs and failed to beat them at home. They lost 2-1 at home to United and drew 2-2 to Palace. They lost home and away to Wolves. They were awful and nowhere near as good as we were that season.
I'll give you the Palace and Sheffield United games. Stats from those games show that we were fortunate. But that's what title winning teams do. Find a way to win when they aren't playing well. Do you think United were jammy or lucky because they scored late goals all the time? That's what successful teams do.
We deserved to win the league that season, and by a distance as well.
True, league was already over before the lockdown. No matter how much spin people try to put, it was well worthy league title.
If anything COVID slowed down Liverpool that season, had huge chance to break points record.
Anyone saying he has underachieved is talking absolute cr*p. He finished 2nd with 97 points got Liverpool to 2 CL finals and won them there first PL all while competing with a team that just buys who they want and when they want.
Liverpool where exactly where we are now when he took over and literally took them to challenging every year.
I don’t mind saying the above as he is leaving and I think Neville was right last night when he said he is overachieving with that squad this season as they certainly on paper are not that strong and feel a big drop off no matter the manager who takes over
Liverpool where exactly where we are now when he took over and literally took them to challenging every year.
I don’t mind saying the above as he is leaving and I think Neville was right last night when he said he is overachieving with that squad this season as they certainly on paper are not that strong and feel a big drop off no matter the manager who takes over
The ironic thing is that season wasn’t even your best under him. You just kept grinding out wins late in games. To be fair the way city performed that season you could of got away with dropping as many points as you want
What?
Okay, he's done well relative to their recent history, but he also lost two CL finals and a EL final when they were favourites in at least two out of those three games.
When they finished 2nd on 97, it's because they blew a big lead over City. The one league they won was without any pressure. City were coming off two very intense seasons and basically took one season off. You know, the way Klopp's team do pretty much every other year.
Plus he's made very expensive signings as well (after swearing he'd never do that). So let's go easy on the whole David v Goliath story.
That stunned, half-grin of disbelief he adopts on the touch line is irritating. He’s obviously had his eyes done along with the teeth as he no longer wears the hipster specs.
I’ll miss this Beatle T-shirted panderer as much as I miss Ed Woodward (although I miss the other Ed Woodward).
I’ll miss this Beatle T-shirted panderer as much as I miss Ed Woodward (although I miss the other Ed Woodward).
The pandemic was met with wildly different reactions from clubs, which is why that season very much deserves an asterisk. Some clubs took huge precautions because the severity of COVID was relatively unknown. Others didn't and were able to capitalize on the fact that many clubs were holding back. Some clubs were heavily hit by players getting sick, others were lucky enough to remain largely unaffected.
While the title from that season does count, it is absolutely fair to acknowledge the strong likelihood that Liverpool won it precisely because of the pandemic and the way it threw the whole season into complete disarray. It caused a situation where nobody else challenged for the title at all because it was anyone's guess what the consequences of going 'business as usual' might be.
In some ways, it could be called mildly irresponsible to approach it as an opportunity to snag an easy title while the world grappled with not just the disease itself but also the many people who refused to take precautions against it. Not a great example for a major sporting institution to set. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Liverpool contributed to things like the anti-mask movement, that would certainly be overstating the case; but many clubs held back and took every possible precaution exactly because of the potential optics of not doing so, given what society was dealing with in that regard.
For that reason, that year's title is worth the least of any PL title ever won.
While the title from that season does count, it is absolutely fair to acknowledge the strong likelihood that Liverpool won it precisely because of the pandemic and the way it threw the whole season into complete disarray. It caused a situation where nobody else challenged for the title at all because it was anyone's guess what the consequences of going 'business as usual' might be.
In some ways, it could be called mildly irresponsible to approach it as an opportunity to snag an easy title while the world grappled with not just the disease itself but also the many people who refused to take precautions against it. Not a great example for a major sporting institution to set. I wouldn't go so far as to say that Liverpool contributed to things like the anti-mask movement, that would certainly be overstating the case; but many clubs held back and took every possible precaution exactly because of the potential optics of not doing so, given what society was dealing with in that regard.
For that reason, that year's title is worth the least of any PL title ever won.
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Indeed, it should be considered along the same lines as those War ime titles some teams won during WW2.
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