Film Justice League

[Hamnat]

The hype around this is the most baffling shit.

That Snyder was given so much money to resurrect this mess and make it a "marquee" HBO Max selling point is what baffles me. They could have just moved the hell on and used that money to make sure the other properties they are trying to get off the ground are EXCELLENT. I mean if the Green lantern show for example isn't movie quality excellent and a complete masterpiece they have failed.

I mean look at the failures of the DC Universe. Its been said ad nauseum but they have some of the hottest properties, most known superheroes ever. But, they completely drop the ball making the theatrical releases into the hits the characters deserve over and over again.
With the amount of money and access to the actors for reshoots he has been given and the ability to listen to all the criticism and have years to "fix" what he could it HAS to be better, right? But, thats a low bar.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

The hype around this is the most baffling shit.

Don't watch it then, simple.

 

[Shane88]

Don't watch it then, simple.

Did I say I was going to? You one of those Snyder cultists?

 

[SalfordRed18]

The hype around this is the most baffling shit.

Snyder/DC fans need something to cling to, cus pretty much everything that's come out of that "universe" has been shite to average.

Suppose they see it as the next in a long list of turning points.

It'll inevitably be shit. Still watch though.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Don't watch it then, simple.

You never got roses today did you?

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Did I say I was going to? You one of those Snyder cultists?

Not really no haha.

Snyder/DC fans need something to cling to, cus pretty much everything that's come out of that "universe" has been shite to average.

Suppose they see it as the next in a long list of turning points.

It'll inevitably be shit. Still watch though.

I wouldn't say everything has been shite to average though. Man of Steel, Wonder Woman 1, Aquaman and Shazam were all very good movies and got really good ratings.

Justice League, BvS, WW 84, Suicide Squad were all poor.

Birds of Prey was not poor but not great either, it was average but quite fun.

 

[Ekeke]

I'm curious enough to watch it but as a huge DC fan I still wonder how much better it'll be than the original movie. I know they've said they are using barely any scenes from the movie, but its still the same premise and story but with a few extra characters involved and different dialogue etc right?

I thought the movie was okay, fairly good even. I'd prefer this was a 2nd movie following on rather than redoing the previous movie and stalling at the same progress point

 

[starman]

Are they shooting more scenes for this or is everything already preshot material from when Snyder was involved?

 

[Salt Bailly]

Are they shooting more scenes for this or is everything already preshot material from when Snyder was involved?

They've spent $70m on effects and reshoots involving some of the main players, but Snyder has said there will only be 4-5 minutes of newly filmed footage. He's also claiming there is 2.5 hours worth of material included that wasn't in the cinematic release. Not sure what to make of it, tbh.

 

[FrankDrebin]

didn't see the original, not going to watch this, this thread was funny though

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Snyder "4:3 has always been my preferred aspect ratio for this film"

 

[balaks]

Still looks utterly shite.

 

[Ubik]

didn't see the original, not going to watch this, this thread was funny though

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Holy shit, didn't realise he's now bragging that he's only using 4 minutes of the reshoots. And a fair chunk of that is going to be Leto's Joker made into more of an edgelord, amazing.

I'm definitely fascinated by the whole weird mess enough to stumble across a sublegal version (to be reported to the necessary authorities).

 

[el3mel]

Not really no haha.




I wouldn't say everything has been shite to average though. Man of Steel, Wonder Woman 1, Aquaman and Shazam were all very good movies and got really good ratings.

Justice League, BvS, WW 84, Suicide Squad were all poor.

Birds of Prey was not poor but not great either, it was average but quite fun.

Pretty much agree with most of these except that as I said I'm one of the minority who enjoyed BvS Ultimate edition. It's a very flawed movie but it was entertaining enough to watch, and some action scenes were really great. I had some problems with how the plot went on and concluded and I really think Doomsday has no purpose being in this movie, but it wasn't boring or a chore to go through as some made me think of it before watching, but as I said, I know I'm from the minority here.

Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Shazam were really fun watch. Birds of Prey I had a lot of problems with the plot incoherence and Black Canary's casting (The actress did her job, but this isn't the Black Canary I know from my comics or Justice League animation at all, she doesn't look like her neither in terms of shape or character) but it was still a nice pop corn 7/10 superhero movie you can enjoy then completely forget later on.

WW84 was bang average, didn't watch Justice League, Suicide Squad or Man of Steel.

Overall, while it's far away from the quality in MCU, I don't think most DC movies were that bad if you treat them as mostly standalone pop corn movies. I feel like people are way over critical of every flaw in their movies to be honest, though they failed in making a coherent ongoing plot line considering that they wanted to rush it quickly.

 

[Tyrion]

I'm curious enough to watch it but as a huge DC fan I still wonder how much better it'll be than the original movie. I know they've said they are using barely any scenes from the movie, but its still the same premise and story but with a few extra characters involved and different dialogue etc right?

I thought the movie was okay, fairly good even. I'd prefer this was a 2nd movie following on rather than redoing the previous movie and stalling at the same progress point

Pretty much. It seems like the villain will be different and there'll be a lot more background information (especially about the Flash and Cyborg) though.

I think it'll be better than JS which was caught between Whedon and Snyder and was neither but the story will probably be stupid (Snyder isn't good at that imo) and it'll likely be dark and joyless like BvS.

Regarding there being a sequel, I agree but WB have no idea what to do with DC. They've two different Jokers, two different Batmen and they've done two mostly different Suicide Squads before they did one Flash, Cyborg, MM or Green Lantern movie. Its like they're run by 3 different people who don't like each other and refuse to work together.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Pretty much. It seems like the villain will be different and there'll be a lot more background information (especially about the Flash and Cyborg) though.

I think it'll be better than JS which was caught between Whedon and Snyder and was neither but the story will probably be stupid (Snyder isn't good at that imo) and it'll likely be dark and joyless like BvS.

Regarding there being a sequel, I agree but WB have no idea what to do with DC. They've two different Jokers, two different Batmen and they've done two mostly different Suicide Squads before they did one Flash, Cyborg, MM or Green Lantern movie. Its like they're run by 3 different people who don't like each other and refuse to work together.

Personally think they should quit while theyre behind, for a couple of years, and hard reboot the entire universe.

Think it would have been far better if instead of funding this Snyder cut which probably is gonna be average at best and do nothing for the universe, they should have funded a flashpoint paradox film/TV Series. Thats the out to this mess of a universe IMO.

 

[Shane88]

All this money and effort went into reshoots and effects but you still get this fella looking like a pound shop toy...

 

[Ekeke]

Pretty much. It seems like the villain will be different and there'll be a lot more background information (especially about the Flash and Cyborg) though.

I think it'll be better than JS which was caught between Whedon and Snyder and was neither but the story will probably be stupid (Snyder isn't good at that imo) and it'll likely be dark and joyless like BvS.

Regarding there being a sequel, I agree but WB have no idea what to do with DC. They've two different Jokers, two different Batmen and they've done two mostly different Suicide Squads before they did one Flash, Cyborg, MM or Green Lantern movie. Its like they're run by 3 different people who don't like each other and refuse to work together.

I guess my hope for the Snyder cut then will be for Cyborg and Flash to blow me away with their performances and give me the slighest bit of interest in seeing a solo movie from either. From Justice League I thought both portrayals were very weak so even the idea of them having more story this time doesn't sound that interesting. But I'll be watching it for sure so maybe that'll be the best thing that could come from it for me.

I see what you mean about the previous movie being caught between directors. I guess we'll see how much difference having a different director and importantly, the cheat code that is the feedback from the first movie. Knowing what was and wasnt received well means that it would surely be hard to come up with something that ends up having more negative feedback right? And then Synder can claim that was what he was going to do all along with nobody able to dispute it.

 

[Sweet Square]

the cheat code that is the feedback from the first movie. Knowing what was and wasnt received well means that it would surely be hard to come up with something that ends up having more negative feedback right? And then Synder can claim that was what he was going to do all along with nobody able to dispute it.

I doubt Synder gives a shit about how others view his film making tbh, which to his credit is one of the few interesting things about his films.

I just wish he drop the superhero movies and finally make a cgi infested remake of the Fountainhead.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Snyder/DC fans need something to cling to, cus pretty much everything that's come out of that "universe" has been shite to average.

Suppose they see it as the next in a long list of turning points.

It'll inevitably be shit. Still watch though.

They've realised a lot of trash but the Batman films and Joker were miles better than any Marvel popcorn flick. I guess those aren't part of the universe.

 

[Hal9000]

They've spent $70m on effects and reshoots involving some of the main players, but Snyder has said there will only be 4-5 minutes of newly filmed footage. He's also claiming there is 2.5 hours worth of material included that wasn't in the cinematic release. Not sure what to make of it, tbh.

So when Snyder filmed Justice League and before he quit. He had about 5 hours + of usable footage. He was editing it down to 3.5 hours for a director's cut and 3 hours for a theatre release.

WB demanded that they wanted it down to 2 hours, with Snyder reluctantly trying to compromise at 2.5. However, with Synder's personal issues and WB unwilling to budge for 2 hours, Synder quit.

WB hired Joss Weadon, he wrote 88 pages of reshoots that took 2 months and 90 minutes of released footage. Only 30 mins of that movie are the stuff that Synder shot (as confirmed by Synder and the original cinematography)

So he's only filmed 4-5 minutes of newly filmed footage, but he's using footage from the 5 hours + he did back during original filming and probably throwing out anything Weadon did.

 

[balaks]

I just can't have Leto's Joker at all - absolutely horrible take on the character and the thought of him being in any movie at all makes my skin crawl.

 

[evil_geko]

Jared Leto is a great actor, but I also don't like him as a Joker, and I was really excited to see his Joker when he was first announced, thought he would be brilliant. Might actually be good here, wont judge him on 3 seconds of footage, at least it's not the tattooed "damaged" one from SS.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I give good actors the benefit of the doubt when they're in roles such as these.
They usually have little to work with as these characters tend to be very one-dimensional.

Just go in, ham it up and take the money.

 

[SalfordRed18]

They've realised a lot of trash but the Batman films and Joker were miles better than any Marvel popcorn flick. I guess those aren't part of the universe.

No, they aren't. Theyre also barely even comic book films realistically.

Horses for courses but I'd personally have infinity war and dark knight level. Batman begins is only good, and dark knight rises is very good. They're not actually that much better than quite a few films from MCU but have a better reputation.

 

[Balljy]

No, they aren't. Theyre also barely even comic book films realistically.

Horses for courses but I'd personally have infinity war and dark knight level. Batman begins is only good, and dark knight rises is very good. They're not actually that much better than quite a few films from MCU but have a better reputation.

Part of the problem is that they've gone in so many different directions and reboots for the same characters that it's difficult to know what the actual characters are in the universe. I would say they needed a hard reboot again to sort out the mess they've managed to get themselves into but that's kind of how they're in the current situation. What they really need is someone overseeing the whole franchise and making sure the universe actually makes sense and is consistent.

I agree that the Batman and the new Joker movie are barely superhero films, but they are definitely less popcorn action orientated than Marvel and therefore suited to the traditional movie lovers and awards shows. I would say they are better movies than the Marvel stuff, but aren't 100% comic book movies.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I literally had no time for the Joker film.

A shallow/superficial lazy homage to the great work of Scorsese and Ferrara.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Snyder's name is all over this... as if the studio think he's some director with a name worth getting excited for

 

[amolbhatia50k]

No, they aren't. Theyre also barely even comic book films realistically.

Horses for courses but I'd personally have infinity war and dark knight level. Batman begins is only good, and dark knight rises is very good. They're not actually that much better than quite a few films from MCU but have a better reputation.

To each their own. For me, all the Marvel films I've seen go into the same generic vanilla superhero porn bracket. Decent fun if films being about superheros excites and very competently packaged/put together but not much in the way of excellence in film making or storytelling.

DC on the other hand, while they have put a lot of dross out in recent times (which is worse than the above mentioned candy floss marvel flicks), they have in their kitty The Dark Knight which for me is one of the modern classics across genres, and Joker which is a fine film in its own right albeit a bit overrated in the absolute frenzy it created.

Having said that, I didn't see Justice League but I'm expecting this Snyder cut to be a complete let down. I don't know why everyone is this excited about a new cut of a universally panned cut, even if it has a lot of new footage/editing. How can a film go from rubbish to genuinely good. Feels like a stretch from loyal DC fans more than anything else.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I literally had no time for the Joker film.

A shallow/superficial lazy homage to the great work of Scorsese and Ferrara.

It's definitely takes a lot from Taxi Driver and I think people really did overrate the film as well as Phoenix in it. But give me that anyday over all the Avengers put together.

I grew up loving superhero comics. But I've now realised that the so called genuine superhero films are actually the ones I don't particularly love. Give me a TDK, Logan or Joker any day of the week over those.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Jared Leto is a great actor, but I also don't like him as a Joker, and I was really excited to see his Joker when he was first announced, thought he would be brilliant. Might actually be good here, wont judge him on 3 seconds of footage, at least it's not the tattooed "damaged" one from SS.

What's he great in btw? From the clips and reaction, he was woeful as Joker. And he was comfortably the worst and most bland part of the otherwise magnificent Blade Runner 2049.

 

[evil_geko]

What's he great in btw? From the clips and reaction, he was woeful as Joker. And he was comfortably the worst and most bland part of the otherwise magnificent Blade Runner 2049.

Requiem for a Dream, Mr. Nobody...he is supposedly good in Dallas Buyers Club but haven't watched that one.

He had a big gap where he was more focusing on his band instead of acting.

I thought he was ok in BR49.

 

[Drifter]

Looks great. But was underwhelmed at the end. Why try and force this joker on the public.

 

[stevoc]

Pretty much. It seems like the villain will be different and there'll be a lot more background information (especially about the Flash and Cyborg) though.

I think it'll be better than JS which was caught between Whedon and Snyder and was neither but the story will probably be stupid (Snyder isn't good at that imo) and it'll likely be dark and joyless like BvS.

Regarding there being a sequel, I agree but WB have no idea what to do with DC. They've two different Jokers, two different Batmen and they've done two mostly different Suicide Squads before they did one Flash, Cyborg, MM or Green Lantern movie. Its like they're run by 3 different people who don't like each other and refuse to work together.

Don't they keep changing the president of WB/DC movies?

No wonder the tone and direction of their DC movies is all over the place.

 

[Sylar]

To each their own. For me, all the Marvel films I've seen go into the same generic vanilla superhero porn bracket. Decent fun if films being about superheros excites and very competently packaged/put together but not much in the way of excellence in film making or storytelling.

DC on the other hand, while they have put a lot of dross out in recent times (which is worse than the above mentioned candy floss marvel flicks), they have in their kitty The Dark Knight which for me is one of the modern classics across genres, and Joker which is a fine film in its own right albeit a bit overrated in the absolute frenzy it created.

Having said that, I didn't see Justice League but I'm expecting this Snyder cut to be a complete let down. I don't know why everyone is this excited about a new cut of a universally panned cut, even if it has a lot of new footage/editing. How can a film go from rubbish to genuinely good. Feels like a stretch from loyal DC fans more than anything else.

If we're counting TDK as DC, then you can count Blade as Marvel

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Zack Snyder's original vision isn't that just as bad ?

i bet it will be worse

 

[Amarsdd]

i bet it will be worse

His director's cuts have been much much better than the theatrical cuts i.e. Watchmen and BvS. And this Justice League is basically an ultra-director's cut.

 

[Drainy]

I thought he was ok in BR49.

hated his performance the first time I watched it, but it grew on me on the 2nd watch in fairness

 

[The holy trinity 68]

If we're counting TDK as DC, then you can count Blade as Marvel

Ahh yes, the best DC movie and the best Marvel movie. I personally prefer Blade and Spiderman 2 to nearly every MCU movie, I would probably only put Infinity War from the MCU to be as good as them 2 Marvel movies. Even though Infinity War is my favourite MCU movie and probably the best, I would still say phase 1 was the best of the MCU, and then it became repetitive, most MCU films are too similar in my opinion.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Spiderman 2 is arguably still the best comic book film.
Big Raimi fan though so its only natural that I would have great fondness for the film. Love the unique cinematography from Pope too.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Ahh yes, the best DC movie and the best Marvel movie. I personally prefer Blade and Spiderman 2 to nearly every MCU movie, I would probably only put Infinity War from the MCU to be as good as them 2 Marvel movies. Even though Infinity War is my favourite MCU movie and probably the best, I would still say phase 1 was the best of the MCU, and then it became repetitive, most MCU films are too similar in my opinion.

Everyone has an opinion fair enough but this one I find odd. The first two Iron men are good. First Thor is average at best. First captain America is marginally better than the iron men. Avengers is avengers. If you want to count Norton's incredible hulk, well that's poor.

Later in the MCU you have winter soldier, which if memory serves kicks off phase 2, which is a fantastic espionage film and guardians which is a brilliant space opera. Both comfortably better then anything done in phase one IMO. Same with AOU. Ragnorak, Civil war, Black panther and of course infinity war/endgame again are better made films then anything in phase one.

Everything else around those films range from OK at best to very good IMO, for what it's worth.

Again horses for courses, people like what they like, but I very rarely find myself wanting rewatch anything from phase one.