Only you saying Grealish as brilliant signing and shrewd business.
Kalvin Phillips | City Player (West Ham loan watch)
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I mentioned after this post that I was convinced that Phillips had moved to City last season for some reason
so yeah him playing ahead of McFred last season would definitley been an improvement.But I forgot he only joined last summer and just as well he joined them considering the issues he has had since.
The newbie system is failing if people who make posts like this and the pathetic previous one that's now gone in this thread, are being promoted.
They do.
If Jose had spoke about say Luke Shaw in this manner while he was United manager he would have got slaughtered on social media and on here. Yet with Pep everyone praises him. I think this is very poor management. By all means rip into the player behind the scenes but there is no need to hang him out to dry in public.
Yeah, that was a weird claim by that poster. The general consensus is that Grealish has been a flop for that price.
I’m sure they are sat In their £5000000 mansions Crying their eyes out because they don’t play 90 minutes every week while collecting their 250k and the rest salaries. They must be finding it really tough getting paid obscene money to train a couple hours a day and play footie when called upon. It must be rough being them and I’m sure they are mentally punishing themselves daily.
Laughable really, usually more players out on loan than some PL clubs have in their first team squad.One of these clubs is not like the others.
Chelsea piss more money up the wall than even City do. Two £250M+ transfer windows and I doubt anyone can name a single player out of that lot that improved them.
Phillips was merely signed to boost the homegrown number and add backup. Like when the likes of Sidwell went to Chelsea, he was never going to be a starter and he knows it because otherwise he would be pushing to be in the best shape possible to make it.
His career will go the way of Rodwell. He will be forgotten about in a couple years.
It’s these new scouts! Luckily they have posters like us policing these things and making up for their errors!
Jim Lawlor and Marcel Bout
Maybe he already has and hasn't got the response he wanted from the player? Dunno.
Jose would only have been slaughtered because he wasn't winning and had a patter of doing the same. Jose v.1at Chelsea would have got away with it too. Same with Fergie with us, Klopp at pool. It's amazing what winning allows you to get away with.
Mourinho said much worse about Luke Shaw and tonnes of morons on here and Twitter agreed with him, despite it obviously being a crock of shit.
Hell people on here were praising Rangnick last season.
I have to respectfully disagree. Whatever about Klopp no United manager would ever get away with it, even Fergie. Too much clickbait with United. Ferguson destroys England's star player etc. Look at the fuss when Fergie hit Beckham with the boot! England star abused by Fergie etc, etc
I suppose City get away with it because they are a tinpot bunch of nobody's.
Not sure if sarcasm…
But that's my point. It was all over 606, opinion pieces etc for weeks. Jose is toxic, United in crisis, all the usual nonsense for clickbait. Say what you like behind closed doors but hanging a player out to dry in public is wrong regardless of who does it.
But since City are winning and Pep , like Klopp is a media darling no one in the media will call them out.
Ferguson spent his career at war with the press and turned it to his advantage, siege mentality etc. No other United manager before or since has turned a massive disadvantage so much in their favour. Yet another example of the man's genius
But you said he’d have got slaughtered, which he didn’t. We weren’t winning and people were blaming the likes of Shaw for that.
Pep said he is overweight. I thought fat shaming was no longer acceptable? Imagine if it was a women he was talking about like that, he’d be cancelled on the spot!
£50m is them is the equivalent of a £15m punt for any other club. It’s pretty eye watering the amount of hoarding they do with players at both senior and youth level. It’s the sad state of football unfortunately.
Chelsea are a famous club around the world, regardless of their spending. They've won the CL twice, had famous players and are based in London. People know them and care about them, regardless of how they got there. City are the second famous club in their own manor.One of these clubs is not like the others.
Chelsea piss more money up the wall than even City do. Two £250M+ transfer windows and I doubt anyone can name a single player out of that lot that improved them.
Kebab Phillips
He’s hardly played since the summer. It’s on Southgate for dragging him to the World Cup rather than letting him stay back and get a proper preseason to get his fitness.
I don’t think overweight in footballing terms = overweight in societal terms.
I guess it depends on their personality, some players want to play. Others are happy to collect a pay check
That's what happens when you go on holiday
What was the point of taking him to the WC?
i think it was for the breakfast buffet
For sure, I don’t disagree. However it’s a nice problem to have for sure.
Exactly.
Compared to the average redcafe poster even the "overweight" version will be model-esque beyond their wildest dream.
It does depend on the player to be fair. I mean, Ronaldo was desperately trying to avoid being the best paid player in history in favour of getting paid substantially less playing for any CL side in any country.
I also think that top level players typically back themselves to succeed. Phillips didn't go to Citeh thinking that he was going to be a permanent fixture on the bench. He thought he would be good enough to start ahead of Rodri- stupid and all as that is to everyone else. And Grealish cost 100m. No club in history- even oil clubs- pay that sort of money for a sub. He also would have assumed that he'd be a nailed on starter when he went there.
Agreed 100%. I can't remember who it was, maybe Alex Song, that thought he was going to be a starter at Barcelona. Some players just happy to be there, others back themselves to the hilt. That's normal because you have to have a pretty important view of yourself to make it as a top athlete.
I think we forget as well, that just taking a pay check is fine when you're in the back end of your career but to do so in your prime and accept a bench place is silly. If you sit on the bench for a few years your stock tumbles and you will never earn that much money again, probably far less than you did before you made the jump.
Alex Song, Rodwell, Hleb and a few others come to mind. Of course none of them expected to be subs but there's a difference between being a squad/rotational player who is a valued member of the squad and will have a spot for years and being a permanent fixture on the bench.
Yeah it doesn't. You'll generally have a known weight that you operate best at, and you'll be expected to maintain it, with a grace window slightly above and slightly below. It's about operating at your peak physical condition.
This, basically.
Sounds like something an overweight person would say
Ah, Money is everything guy.
A United fan or a fan of any club that has money shouldn't be complaining about this tbh
You spent 35-40m on two CB (Bailey/Lindelof) didn't work out another 80m on Maguire, then another 40m on Varane and another 60m on Martinez. Maguire is your Grealish.
Further more you bought on Fred weren't happy invested 35m for van Beek and then another 60-70m for Casemiro. Basically your Philips situation.
Now despite having Sancho and Anthony your club is interested in Gapko who will cost around 50-70m.
Real Madrid last season had Bale 100m, Hazard 100m, Jovic 60-70m, Isco 35-40m, Rodrygo 45-50m, Camavinga 40-50m on the bench.
This is how all clubs with money operate, be it "organically earned" or old/state funded.
West Ham, Sevilla, Valencia, Brentford, etc fans should be complaining about this.
Southgate should never have taken him but how is it his fault that he is overweight exactly? He had plenty of free time to get some practice in on the training pitches and gyms in Qatar. You should begin by questioning his professionalism and mentality and England coaches before you question the half witted England manager.
I hope for his sake he enjoyed a good Xmas dinner and not worried about Pep and the bathroom scales.
May as well, he's not getting a game any time soon.
It certainly isn’t. However, it talks. Unfortunately.
Nobody came back on this post.
With good reason as there’s nothing to dispute.