La liga 2022/23

[GatoLoco]

Pele defends Vinicius: Even if racism exists, we won't let it stop us from smiling.

"Football is joy. It is a dance. It is a real party. Even if racism still exists, we will not let it stop us from smiling," he wrote on Twitter.

"And we will continue to fight racism in this way: fighting for our right to be happy."

 

[Blackwidow]

Yeah no. There's absolutely no intrinsic connection between the 'insult' monkey and any particular race or heritage in German, and I'd struggle to name examples where it's been used that way in the past.
Either way, the use in Spanish is completely different so this is besides the point anyway

Just as one example... https://www.focus.de/sport/fussball...de-selbst-als-affe-beschimpft_id_8275002.html

 

[WeePat]

Elche down to 10 men inside 15 mins. Obvious red card. Another 4 goal win incoming for Barca.

 

[CruyffMaradonaMessi]

Pele defends Vinicius: Even if racism exists, we won't let it stop us from smiling.

"Football is joy. It is a dance. It is a real party. Even if racism still exists, we will not let it stop us from smiling," he wrote on Twitter.

"And we will continue to fight racism in this way: fighting for our right to be happy."

I have not been following news the past 2 days due to a very busy schedule but where does this "racism" against Vinicius come from out of a sudden?

Another RM orchestrated media campaign?

Vinicius is a very provocative player with a dubious attitude. Whether this is your typical Brazilian diva like behavior (Neymar most recent example in Spain) or his young age or whatever, but it is evident.

Write https + twitter + com/Reycholosimeone/status/1570906637023727616 to see an example of this dubious behavior (heavy insults in Spanish to opponents, provocations etc.)

Double standards in the RM dominated media: (speaking about Neymar)

Write https + twitter + com/_Futbolero_/status/1571125514294927364

Write https + twitter + com/_Futbolero_/status/1570903203692318720

I cannot post links yet. (they are all in Spanish BTW, people can use Google Translate to get the grasp of it)

Just tuned in. I can see that we are leading 2-0 against Elche. How has the general play been?

BTW, there is no racism to see anywhere, I just saw the statement. 100 times worse things were said about Neymar during his time at Barça and I did not see this reaction or "everyone with Neymar" media campaign and Neymar was far more abused/kicked etc. (by RM players too - the famous Isco brutal tackle against him in the 0-4 victory in 2015 is a good example) than Vinicius has ever been. This is typical selective outrage in Spanish media, nothing new.

 

[giorno]

the one good thing Laporta did was kicking the boixos nois out of the camp nou

Why the feck are we letting them in here?

 

[CruyffMaradonaMessi]

the one good thing Laporta did was kicking the boixos nois out of the camp nou

Why the feck are we letting them in here?

Unlike 99.99% of all users here I am from Spain, fully fluent in Spanish and aware of what is considered as a racist statement and what is not in the country. Ask any Spaniard or Spanish user here, unless they are among the minority of extremist political correctness crazy people (where every statement of any kind is scrutinized 1 billion times always with the most ulterior motives in mind - professional complainers in regards to every topic in the society), and they will confirm the same thing. There was nothing even remotely racist said towards Vinicius by the president of the Association of Spanish Agents (Pedro Bravo).

Speaking about the Boixos Nois, they were kicked out from the Camp Nou almost 20 years ago while the RM equivalents (Ultras Sur) were kicked out by Florentino much later (10 years later or so).

 

[giorno]

Unlike 99.99% of all users here I am from Spain, fully fluent in Spanish and aware of what is considered as a racist statement and what is not in the country. There was nothing even remotely racist said towards Vinicius by the president of the Association of Spanish Agents (Pedro Bravo).

You don't need to be Spanish go understand context. "This is not a sambodromo" "should go back go brazil" "don't act like a monkey" in the same statement carry a very clear message

 

[hellhunter]

Unlike 99.99% of all users here I am from Spain, fully fluent in Spanish and aware of what is considered as a racist statement and what is not in the country. Ask any Spaniard or Spanish user here that is not an extremistic political correctness crazy person (where every statement of any kind is scrutinized 1 billion times always with the most ulterior motives in mind) and they will confirm the same thing. There was nothing even remotely racist said towards Vinicius by the president of the Association of Spanish Agents (Pedro Bravo).

Speaking about the Boixos Nois, they were kicked out from the Camp Nou almost 20 years ago while the RM equivalents (Ultras Sur) were kicked out by Florentino much later (10 years later or so).

Racism is not a competition to be won. But well done

 

[kouroux]

I know Haaland grabs all the attention in terms of scoring in Europe but Lewandowski is still doing the business at his age

 

[CruyffMaradonaMessi]

Well, by that logic the vast majority of Spaniards are racist (in fact almost all of us outside of the community that I described) and if I were to join that community, I could say that you guys are now racists towards Spaniards and our sayings.. See where this is going?

The statement itself (in a Spanish language context and in the Spanish context of sayings) was NOT racist. That is the crucial thing here.

There is nothing racist about mentioning Sambódromo either, there are plenty of carnivals very similar to the Brazilian ones in Spain (second largest in the world is held in Santa Cruz de Tenerife in fact) where people of all colors and origin congregate.

He basically just told Vinicius not to provoke opponents too much (I already provided evidence of Vinicius provocative behavior towards opponents and his insults towards opponents - I guess this does not bother anyone) and to behave himself in this regard (provocation department). Once again, 100 times worse things were said about Neymar, yet there was never any RM orchestrated media campaign (naturally) or media outrage, rather Neymar was considered the villain and as such treated much worse by opponents and referees.

And let us be honest, such provocative behavior is not tolerated in Brazil or South America either, there you would risk getting your legs broken.

It is a undiplomatic statement that should not have been said this way as all he could have said (to get the point across) was to point out to Vinicius that he should remember to respect his opponents.

Both Neymar and Vinicius, as great as they both were,/are had this Brazilian favela street football tendency to humiliate the opponent and provoke him whenever they felt like it, which obviously was met with reactions by their opponents. It is what it is.

Spanish football fans are very peculiar in this regard, they will cheer for their own players doing such a thing, but if the opponent player does it, they will be offended and talk about lack of manners, lack of respect etc.

What do I know, maybe all 48 million of us are racists without knowing it.

 

[mu4c_20le]

The statement itself (in a Spanish language context and in the Spanish context of sayings) was NOT racist. That is the crucial thing here.

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

 

[hellhunter]

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

Blame Marcos Rojo

Spoiler

 

[carvajal]

Players scoring 6 goals in the first 7 games

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[carvajal]

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

 

[CruyffMaradonaMessi]

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

Are you trolling now? You are comparing the statement discussed (which is not racist in Spain as already explained by me and other Spanish users here) with actual blatant racism? Ok. Anyway, if you want my opinion about this whole racism topic, then yes, Spain has a problem with this in some circles, as does countries like Italy (my mother's side is Italian so I know that country well too) which are even worse. In fact all of Europe has this problem in certain circles and the world as a whole irrespective of skin color, religion, origin etc.

Your comparison is absolutely idiotic, no offense. Anyway I am ending it here as there is no point continuing. If you don't believe what I wrote, consult other Spaniards or Spanish speakers and they will most likely tell you exactly the same thing about what was said and that it is not considered racist at all.

The expression "make the monkey" means to not make an idiot of yourself or to not be stupid. It has always been used in Spain and has nothing to do with skin color. It is very simple, can't say it more clear than this.

Now what you guys, that call it racist without knowing anything about the saying's meaning in Spain, are doing, is constructing an alternative reality where this guy used that expression deliberately just because of Vinicius's skin color which is an absurd accusation. Literally nobody has ever talked about his skin color in Spain to this date in any context. So yes, if you can read the mind of that guy and you are right, then yes, it was a racist comment, but the likelihood of that is very low.

 

[kouroux]

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

 

[GatoLoco]

You don't need to be Spanish go understand context. "This is not a sambodromo" "should go back go brazil" "don't act like a monkey" in the same statement carry a very clear message

This is absolutely right and quite frankly I am shocked by the amount of people who don't see it that way.

 

[vangagal]

Barca fans are special breed indeed.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

The Spanish are great at understanding the context of racially charged expressions. That's why they got around to changing the name of Kill Jews Camp in 2015 and still have a tradition of killing Jews on Easter.

 

[giorno]

You'd have to be extremely ignorant or willfuly naive to think that. According to your logic, fans tossing bananas at a black player might have good intentions, like helping replenish his potassium levels?

Dani Alves agrees!

 

[Acheron]

BTW, there is no racism to see anywhere, I just saw the statement.

What the hell, I hope you're only joking.

 

[duffer]

Is the game tonight on TV in the UK?

We're in a strange world where Real Madrid are the good guys out of the the big 3 in Spain.

 

[duffer]

I just checked because you slackers let me down. The Madrid derby is on ITV4 tonight.

 

[Adisa]

Hope Madrid win. Really dislike Atletico.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I just checked because you slackers let me down. The Madrid derby is on ITV4 tonight.

Yeah. Looking forward to it.

 

[carvajal]

They chant "Vinicius you are a monkey"

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[Still ill]

Ffs. I'm probably missing something culturally though, right?

 

[Acheron]

They chant "Vinicius you are a monkey"

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Let's just wait for someone tries to explain how that is an idiomatic expression in Spain that doesn't have racist connotations.

 

[TheReligion]

I just checked because you slackers let me down. The Madrid derby is on ITV4 tonight.

Had no idea this was on.

thanks!

 

[GatoLoco]

I have not been following news the past 2 days due to a very busy schedule but where does this "racism" against Vinicius come from out of a sudden?

Another RM orchestrated media campaign?

Vinicius is a very provocative player with a dubious attitude. Whether this is your typical Brazilian diva like behavior (Neymar most recent example in Spain) or his young age or whatever, but it is evident.

Write https + twitter + com/Reycholosimeone/status/1570906637023727616 to see an example of this dubious behavior (heavy insults in Spanish to opponents, provocations etc.)

Double standards in the RM dominated media: (speaking about Neymar)

Write https + twitter + com/_Futbolero_/status/1571125514294927364

Write https + twitter + com/_Futbolero_/status/1570903203692318720

I cannot post links yet. (they are all in Spanish BTW, people can use Google Translate to get the grasp of it)

Just tuned in. I can see that we are leading 2-0 against Elche. How has the general play been?

BTW, there is no racism to see anywhere, I just saw the statement. 100 times worse things were said about Neymar during his time at Barça and I did not see this reaction or "everyone with Neymar" media campaign and Neymar was far more abused/kicked etc. (by RM players too - the famous Isco brutal tackle against him in the 0-4 victory in 2015 is a good example) than Vinicius has ever been. This is typical selective outrage in Spanish media, nothing new.

Very well orchestrated campaign indeed

Now it seems all these Atletico supporters were paid to sing "Vinicius, you are a monkey"

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[carvajal]

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[carvajal]

Let's just wait for someone tries to explain how that is an idiomatic expression in Spain that doesn't have racist connotations.

I think the guy used that expression with no racist connotations, although he did sound xenophobic, but now they have given them gasolina.
If there are chants, which there will be, they should just walk off the pitch.

 

[duffer]

No Rudiger?

 

[GatoLoco]

I think the guy used that expression with no racist connotations, although he did sound xenophobic, but now they have given them gasolina.
If there are chants, which there will be, they should just walk off the pitch.

I really hope they do.

 

[One Night Only]

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That photo of Vinicius JR makes him look like he has a grey beard. Had to look twice.

 

[wr8_utd]

Atleti not being cheap today and starting Griezmann.

Guess we're going to see another game with Madrid being average for 85 minutes and then scoring 3 goals.

 

[Port Vale Devil]

Madrid derby starting soon ITV4 if didn’t realise or looking for dodgy stream

 

[TheReligion]

Axel Witsel as a centre half? What’s that about

 

[giorno]

Ffs. I'm probably missing something culturally though, right?

Yeah, you have to understand, they're neo-nazis, in their culture that is normal

 

[giorno]

I think the guy used that expression with no racist connotations,

There is no way he didn't know most people would read racist connotations in that statement. He did it anyway. No way he didn't intend for there to be racist connotations. He knew what he was doing and how people would react