Walker is basically having to go from a standing start whilst Dembele is already running and he catches them. Dembele is certainly fast traveling with a ball but I don’t think he has outrageous speed.
Leroy Sane watch | Feb 2020: Returning to fitness with City's U23s
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Giggs more creative but also very likely to misplace passes and crosses. I see Sane as more efficient and sort of player who will develop into one of those wingers that rarely loses the ball and very solid at ball retention. Giggs developing under a Fergie side was more about just making things happen than any emphasis on keeping the ball and thus was a more erratic player during the 90s.
He is just in a more attacking system. Martial is just as deadly
Sure. Giggs after all is only known as a giggolo right....
Agreed Chief. Martial is definitely up there with Sane, just had a more difficult system and manager to contend with and still doing well.
Im convinced Pep's set up of hogging possession is deceiving people into thinking Sane can keep the ball better than Giggs at that age. Giggs' development in spite of ending as a legend was also severely hampered by injury mid career. Here's to hoping it never befalls this lad.
No doubt. Good point actually.
I assure you Pep is just as demanding. Martial was rightly benched by Jose when his LVG levels dipped. People have forgotten in spite of flying last season Pep readily started the season with Sane on his bench and targeting Alexis. He too brooks no level dropping
Plus you also have to have proper room for them that is why he is at City. A season ago a Sane didnt have a potential starting slot at a Bayern so the expense made no sense. Even Bailey might not this summer upon Gnabry's return. Even PEA for that matter has never had one in spite of matching Lewa pound for pound
Fastest based on what? Clocked times? I'd say he and Rashford are about equally fast. Walker would beat both in a foot race, and I'm not sure either would beat Valencia either. Good player, no doubt.
Unfortunately, you are right that Giggs was not quite able to live up to his great talent, per se. However, he countered with longevity unparalleled by any winger.
Based on whose run the fastest according to opta. Walker is 4th, rashford not in the top 20, though I'd imagine that's down to United's play style.
In fact sane is the leagues fastest ever breaking vardy's record. They only started keeping the record in 2014.
Think Sane has more game intelligence than Martial and both have ridiculous assets in agility control speed etc both great prospects all the same.
Yeah I seen that about Sane. No doubt he’s exceptionally quick. But yedelin is by a good distance the fastest in the league. Yet his name isn’t even mentioned
. So not sure how accuarate it is. Sane, walker and yedelin are te top 3 for me anywayThe guy Sane twisted into knots last night for the assist was Yedlin himself, that's what I was saying initially, he's the fastest with the ball at his feet which is a good thing.Yeah I seen that about Sane. No doubt he’s exceptionally quick. But yedelin is by a good distance the fastest in the league. Yet his name isn’t even mentioned
I‘d say that Gnabry is not good enough for Bayern and I am not convinced by Bailey (yet?).
Aubameyang might have similar stats to Lewandowski, but the latter is the better striker.
Martial outpaced Yedelin to a ball starting a yard or two behind at Old Trafford. Just putting it out there.Yeah I seen that about Sane. No doubt he’s exceptionally quick. But yedelin is by a good distance the fastest in the league. Yet his name isn’t even mentioned
Think yedlin was 20th in December. Again I think like rashford a victim of tactics, guy is rapid.Yeah I seen that about Sane. No doubt he’s exceptionally quick. But yedelin is by a good distance the fastest in the league. Yet his name isn’t even mentioned
Brilliant player, great to watch.
And Sane is on a better team, at the moment. After summer i think we will be better
I know it must have been based on those stats. But ffs, Rooney was clocked as being one of the fastest players in the world according to the same stats a few years back.
Yeah, I think some players are deceptively quick just look lumbering and others are slower even though they look quick.
Martial is a bit on and off when it comes to speed, but he is defintely up there - especially with the ball. I'd say he is as fast as Sane.
Yedlin and Bellerin would be the fastest in the league - both are sprinters. Most footballers are not great runners in terms of top speed. Yedlin is, as Rio would say, a rocket.
Hazard, for instance, looks really quick, but his top speed is not all that. Smalling seriously outpaced Wllian, whom many believed was one of the fastest in the league, last season or the season before. Short and nippy players often appear faster than they are. Sterling is extremely explosive off the mark, almost like Lennon, but although his top speed is good, no doubt Walker would beat him in a 60m sprint or so.
Sane is a similar talent and a better left winger than Martial (who is more wide forward) but Pep's system is so detailed, from the keeper's distribution to players making themselves available for tap ins on the far post. The decisions have been made on the training ground, these players are only executing them. They aren't all playmaking geniuses.
Ffs they have Sterling looking world class. The guy was a meme when I was still lurking this place
Ffs they have Sterling looking world class. The guy was a meme when I was still lurking this place
Hard to say if it's game intelligence or just him following Pep's instructions.
Acceleration is more important than top speed, Messi and Neymar are the best dribblers in the world because they're likely the two fastest players in the world over 10-15 meters
And people are really underselling Giggs
Sane is amazing though, i agree, but to reach Giggs level, that'd be some serious talent. Not so sure he has it in him
And people are really underselling Giggs
Sane is amazing though, i agree, but to reach Giggs level, that'd be some serious talent. Not so sure he has it in him
Wouldn't be that sure of it personally, he's already surpassing him in terms of numbers, could easily post twice the g/a Giggs ever did in a single season. Longevity now is a different argument.
I dont buy the Gnabry claim. And Lewandowski being a better player, operating in Bayerns on forward system is precisely why a play of Aubameyang's class will leave the Bundesliga sans playing for them. Emphasizing my early point perfectly.
Oh, I agree with you that Aubameyang is „too good“ for any team but Bayern in the Buli. I just didn‘t want to go along with the „matches Lewandowski pound for pound“, but that is semantics and opinion. Cheers, mate!
PS: Forgot about Gnabry. I was never impressed and support Bayern, so I hope you are right.
Not really as you can see in his split decision moments. Plus his running of the ball is great and he has a good habit of knicking in and defending well against a counterattack.
Depends on so many things. Acceleration is usually more important,especially for possession based teams. However, for counter attacks you need top speed. Wingers also need top speed. Iniesta, for instance, had great acceleration but poor top speed, so he couldn’t play well as a traditional winger.
Neymar and Messi are not the fastest over 15 meters. It’s hyperbole because they are both top three players in the world. I’d wager Sterling is just as quick and neither are as quick as Lennon was. Speed with ball control, agility, stoping ability and end product gets you there. That Traore fella is lightning and can also dribble, but his end product is running the ball out of play.
His dribbling is phenomenal, one of the best I've ever seen, yet his end-product is truly abysmal. Never seen a player so disproportionately talented. Like someone created a Fifa player and gave them 99 for speed and dribbling then 1 for everything else.
I support Bayern too.
About the PEA- Lewa thing I meant in terms of scoring domestically and abroad. Too good for Bayern's bench but not good enough to bench Lewa so Bayern could never get him.
As for Gnabry, let Hynckes get his hands on him for just 6 months. He will surprise you.
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You summed him up perfectly!
Yeah but this won't happen, unfortunately. Jupp has no intention to stay, and our board are dickheads to push him on the matter. He came back from retirement to help us out, enough is enough.
Neymar is not the fastest in the world, but he probably is the best at deceleration. Meaning that he can slow down during a run and go back to top speed like he's pressing a button on the playstation control. Thats tough for a defender.
In hindsight this looks really bad from Bayern but the Coman and Costa dynamic made them take the gamble. In this market a player of his talent is worth 60-80m
Sadly. Still wonder who us replacing him. Juup is a hard act to follow
You didn't get players doing the kind of g+a stats in those days as you do now. A 1 in 2 goal scoring ratio at the top level was considered excellent in Giggs's day, now it is considered disappointing.
For all the Sane hype on productivity, Martial just edges him on g+a per 90 mins in the PL this season.