Pocho
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He is doing very well in the CL but suddenly it 's
irrelevant.
irrelevant.
He was arguably carrying Barca and PSG have better players in most if not all positions. The difference is the system is less suited to Messi's strengths.No Barca team behind him, no party
He just started playing professional football recently. Before that, he played a wholly different sport to everyone else. Personally I hope he reverts to playing whatever you want to call the thing he did for the majority of his career once he's been fit for a.sustained period of time.Does he still play professional football?
He needs to take better care of himself
Wow. 1 goal. Jees. Flop of the season then?Scored 1 goal in the league.
People expected him to shit on Ligue 1, but it just shows it's never as simple as that.
It really does make you wonder why he's struggling out there so badly.
I'd definitely say so considering he's probably the goat. I know he was slowing down a little but that was a shock to anybody I think.Wow. 1 goal. Jees. Flop of the season then?
Not really, his second half of last season + COPA was top tier after a pretty rough start. I wouldn't burry him yet.I'd definitely say so considering he's probably the goat. I know he was slowing down a little but that was a shock to anybody I think.
came off the bench and now we have a break ffsIsnt he soon going to play? still recovering from Covid?
1. He is in poor form.Scored 1 goal in the league.
People expected him to shit on Ligue 1, but it just shows it's never as simple as that.
It really does make you wonder why he's struggling out there so badly.
Honestly I would if I don't support United.Just enjoy that they are still playing.
Not really true. Barca played different styles throughout the years and Messi's roles varied greatly at times.2. Having played in same team same league under same style over past 17 years
I think he's definitely underperformed, but he's also struggled to get a consistent run of games due to injury/covid and stuff. However he's not getting any younger either.In my opinion, if we call things by their proper names, Lionel is simply not interested in playing in the French league after the Primera, he is only motivated for the Champions League games. And for Paris themselves, it's more of a commercial transfer than a sporting one...
I get the sense it's the latter. The numbers are bad (for him). But what are people taking from that? That Messi only appeared so good because he was in that Barca team, and that in reality he couldn't even cut it in the French league?I wonder if people who are posting really see how he is playing or are only seeing stats. Stats meaning goals only.
He's actually done very well in creating chances and that kind of stuff. Its just his usual profilic goalscoring that hasn't happened yet.I get the sense it's the latter. The numbers are bad (for him). But what are people taking from that? That Messi only appeared so good because he was in that Barca team, and that in reality he couldn't even cut it in the French league?
I would imagine it's a combination of him being 34, it's a new team after so many years as a one club man, and he isn't asserting himself as the player everything must go through (he doesn't have the personality I don't think) like it did at Barca.
Apparently goals is the the most notable stats. But not only that, this season his dribbling stats has dropped significantly too as compared to his previous years. He was on avg 4 to 5 dribble per game in previous years, this season he was on 2.2 in Ligue 1 and 2.8 in CL.I wonder if people who are posting really see how he is playing or are only seeing stats. Stats meaning goals only.
He had 1 game though where beat 12 players during a match in 13 attempts so he still has it in him.Apparently goals is the the most notable stats. But not only that, this season his dribbling stats has dropped significantly too as compared to his previous years. He was on avg 4 to 5 dribble per game in previous years, this season he was on 2.2 in Ligue 1 and 2.8 in CL.
Tbh he hasn't scored against Madrid since 2018 I think. IMO the last season of Messi's prime was 18/19 and even then he lacked the quickness he had at his peak.He gets paid and rated according to his "Messi abilities", so yeah relative to that he has indeed underperformed and hasn't been upto that mark. He contributes absolutely zilch off the ball so the output/end product for him is necessary.
But the critical moment in judging his move would be in CL knockout stages. By then there won't be room for any of these excuses. The jury is still out.
Maybe playing against Real Madrid will motivate him further and bring him back to life perhaps...
Not only the system, but also the league and the way the play the game.He was arguably carrying Barca and PSG have better players in most if not all positions. The difference is the system is less suited to Messi's strengths.
Certainly done nothing at any World Cup. Not even close to ever being as good as Maradona.He's done absolutely nothing at AFCON. Useless.
Wrong thread, but just to reply to yet another CR7 fanboy/marketing brigate detailing the thread, no Ronaldo is not the superior player just because he plays in the EPL.I must admit I am taking delight in this move not working out good for either party.
Messi has better talent than Ronaldo but for me he’s not a better player, just my opinion. Atleast Ronaldo had the courage to come back to the PL at his age. It’s not all about skills, need heart and desire to be a true champion.
The courage take is absolute BS, he just wanted out of Juventus and United were the ones who gave him a deal after City were wavering. Ronaldo just went to whoever offered and still had a CL spot which ironically may see him In Europa next season. If he leaves united after they fail to get a CL spot then that will explain a lot.I must admit I am taking delight in this move not working out good for either party.
Messi has better talent than Ronaldo but for me he’s not a better player, just my opinion. Atleast Ronaldo had the courage to come back to the PL at his age. It’s not all about skills, need heart and desire to be a true champion.
I am in the correct thread! I am saying that Messi made a mistake in joining PSG (from a fan opinion point of view, not his). Was just using Ronaldo as the comparison since he’s old and just come to Pl but could also have said Cavani to be fair.Wrong thread, but just to reply to yet anothrr CR7 fanboy detailing the thread, no Ronaldo is not the superior player just because he plays in the EPL.
Messi is the superior player because he is not only about goals, he executes at an elite level for almost all the key areas in attack, including goals, whereas Ronaldo is just mostly about goals and marketing.
Now go to the right thread
Ronaldo joined Juventus and they had their lowest of lows in the last decade, and now united are having their worst season since he joined. Now, this isn’t Ronaldo’s fault but nobody is going to be looking at Ronaldo’s Juventus and second united time fondlyI am in the correct thread! I am saying that Messi made a mistake in joining PSG (from a fan opinion point of view, not his). Was just using Ronaldo as the comparison since he’s old and just come to Pl but could also have said Cavani to be fair.
I am a huge fan of Messi. That’s why I am so bitterly disappointed that he didn’t come to the best league to prove himself because he isn’t finished yet and still has plenty to offer. Anyway he has chosen an easy early retirement at a plastic club, that will reflect on his legacy.
"I know this isn't the right thread but let me just squeeze out my thoughts before I finish this"Wrong thread, but just to reply to yet another CR7 fanboy/marketing brigate detailing the thread, no Ronaldo is not the superior player just because he plays in the EPL.
Messi is the superior player because he is not only about goals, he executes at an elite level for almost all the key areas in attack, whereas Ronaldo is just mostly about goals and marketing.
Now go to the right thread
It’s not BS. He could have gone to PSG or America, he chose to challenge himself, that’s the type of guy Ronaldo is. Similar to Ibra in that mindset.The courage take is absolute BS, he just wanted out of Juventus and United were the ones who gave him a deal after City were wavering. Ronaldo just went to whoever offered and still had a CL spot which ironically may see him In Europa next season. If he leaves united after they fail to get a CL spot then that will explain a lot.
I agree with you mate. Just saying that I respect Ronaldo for at-least trying and challenging himself right up until the end of his career. It’s been great to see Ronnie score for us again and I really would of wanted to see Messi vs Ronnie I’m the premier league. However Messi has chosen to end his career early, I’m bitter because I wanted to see more of him!Ronaldo joined Juventus and they had their lowest of lows in the last decade, and now united are having their worst season since he joined. Now, this isn’t Ronaldo’s fault but nobody is going to be looking at Ronaldo’s Juventus and second united time fondly
Fair enough, Messi has been very disappointing in the French league for sure so farI agree with you mate. Just saying that I respect Ronaldo for at-least trying and challenging himself right up until the end of his career. It’s been great to see Ronnie score for us again and I really would of wanted to see Messi vs Ronnie I’m the premier league. However Messi has chosen to end his career early, I’m bitter because I wanted to see more of him!
No, in fairness he and his agent were struggling to find a team when he wanted out of Juventus due to his wages. United only got involved once city was thinking about him. ronaldo was hardly on anyone else’s radar for 500,000 a week. Highest paid in PL history.It’s not BS. He could have gone to PSG or America, he chose to challenge himself, that’s the type of guy Ronaldo is. Similar to Ibra in that mindset.
Messi has chosen to end his career in a sad way for us fans but that’s his choice so not saying he’s wrong. He’s achieved everything in the game and obviously isn’t up for the challenge anymore.