I think it was calling Lindelof and Maguire on the same level (or better) which did you if I’m honest.
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If you want to give Martinez all his flowers now, be my guest.
He’s still got a lot to do to prove himself as world class and one of best centre backs in the league, which is where this conversation started several tiring days ago.
I mean you’re moving the goalposts aren’t you now?
You said he’s not the level of Maguire and Lindelof. Now you’re suggesting you were actually saying he’s not Paulo Maldini level yet.
You fecked up. Take it on the chin and move on
Might be wrong but I think it could be the time De Gea passed it out to him one time in the second half while he was under a fair bit of pressure
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I didn’t say that at all. We’re going round in circles here. I said, “I’m struggling to see on what basis Martinez can be categorically considered a “better” PL CB than Maguire or Lindelöf thus far.”I mean you’re moving the goalposts aren’t you now?
You said he’s not the level of Maguire and Lindelof. Now you’re suggesting you were actually saying he’s not Paulo Maldini level yet.
You fecked up. Take it on the chin and move on
Martinez has made 20 PL starts and has conceded 34 goals in those games. He’s only kept 6 clean sheets. We’ve meanwhile conceded 1 goal and kept 4 clean sheets in the five PL games he hasn’t played. Both the other two CBs were the partnership in a a United side that was much defensively better a few seasons ago than our team is currently.
Maybe Martinez will go on to be a legendary centre back on the level of Vidic and Rio in the years to come, but he won’t be the first defender people got far too excited about far too quickly. Go check out early opinions of Bailly on here, for example.
He was amazing today.
What a man. I wouldn't care if he were only 4 foot 10. If you can play football like that, you're on track to becoming a United legend.
goshThat moment where De Gea slides it into him with two opponents within about 5 yards and he got out of it perfectly and set us on our way...that is exactly why the consequences of the 7-0 don't apply to this guy.
He's probably the best footballer in the squad.
He's probably the best footballer in the squad.
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It seems like we desperately need him to not underperform. We rely too much on him in my opinion
surely there is no issue with expecting your starting CB to always perform well?
To be fair you’ve had an absolute mare in this thread mate. Saying Martinez is no better than Lindelof and Maguire is something to go down in folklore.
It’s fine we’ve got Maguire and Lindelof who are better than him. Probably a blessing if Martinez is not playing.
I mean don’t double down on it. Just accept it was a stupid comment and let’s move on from you getting rinsed by the entire forum!
incredible player
The technique on this guy is insane. How he gets out of some of the situations i don't know.
Magical.
Magical.
Maguire and Lindelof couldn't even do that in their dreams.
Thank you. This was very good as well.
I was referring to the one which he was just outside our penalty box and last man as well. 3 Betis players went in together to him from all angels. He still managed to squeezed out calmly.
If you are struggling then maybe football is not the game for you, with all due respect.
Comparing the defensive stats of Maguire and Martinez (or Varane for that matter) is a bit fraught. Since the world cup, Maguire has started 5 matches: Bournemouth, Charlton, Reading, Leeds and West Ham. Before the world cup he started against Brighton, Brentford, Real Sociedad, West Ham and Aston Villa. If the team has better stats with Maguire its likely because he does it against relegation fodder and lower league clubs.
I know you're just asking a question but TMDaines should pick some other argument for his galaxy brain "Martinez <= Maguire" take.
Definitely has the best technique of any player in the squad bar Eriksen.
You're fast going Yagami's way on Casemiro at this rate.
What does potential Xg say about the matter?
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Martinez does superb there. De Gea should never have given him it therre.
We've conceded less goals with Phil Jones playing than any other CB this season. Maybe he should start?
Just glad De Gea didn't pass it straight to Betis.
How is it even relevant? We have watched Maguire and Lindelof for years
Bring back the glory days of Ole and Maguire 
Those 19/20 and 20/21 season reviews are all I watch these days. What. Amazing. Seasons.
Those 19/20 and 20/21 season reviews are all I watch these days. What. Amazing. Seasons.
If you just use your eyes, you will see that he is by far the better centre back than both Maguire and Lindelof. He is more aggressive, yet has more composure than both. He's much quicker than both. He's stronger in physical duels than Lindelof, and not much weaker than Maguire due to how aggressive he is.
He is far, far better on the ball than either of them. Keeping clean sheets is never just down the the defenders or the goalies. The fact that when he plays we tend to win matches is quite telling. Him and Varane makes me feel much more calm watching United. We concede a few sloppy goals here and there still, but there are several factors leading up to those.
I am absolutely shocked that you don't think he's better than Maguire or Lindelof - shocked! Both have been liabilities for at least two seasons straight, although Lindelof has had some good matches lately.
Martinez is alright but have you ever seen him pull this off?Bring back the glory days of Ole and Maguire
Those 19/20 and 20/21 season reviews are all I watch these days. What. Amazing. Seasons.
Exactly. A keeper who can pass would’ve simply floated the ball into Casemiro who was in acres of space. Excellent composure from Licha though.
As you said, he's 'alright', but he's not a patch on our 'Arry.
Absolute madness from De Gea. Easy pass was on to Casemiro.
We'd be so good if we had just one central midfielder as press resistant as him. He's probably the best in the whole team. Antony, Shaw, and Malacia have their moments too but they're all fairly one footed.
Actually it's probably Martial.
Actually it's probably Martial.
I’m struggling that anyone could watch Martinez, Lindelof and Maguire and be unsure as to who is better. Although I felt Maguire had a good first season you can still easily put him then against Martinez and conclude he’s nowhere near the level of Martinez.
It’s like looking at McT and wondering if he’s better than Keane was.
It’s like looking at McT and wondering if he’s better than Keane was.
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