I didn't quote any stats for United vs Chelsea. I simply stated that Chelsea looked far more dangerous in attack and I always had the feeling Hazard was going to score/create something. And that I didn't feel the same potency in United's attacking game.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Please do remember there were NINE changes from the team that played against Hull.
Without Di Maria and RvP I wonder how you'd rate your own attack ?
Wow, worst possible pick there seeing as he's probably the weakest of our 3 strikers to a lot of people right now (or was, until the Chelsea performance). And Di Maria was our worst player against Chelsea.
Well the question was "how would you rate your attack .." not "how did they play against Chelsea"
I'm pretty sure Di Maria would be #1 and RvP #2 ahead of Rooney and probably Falcao as well at the moment, as far as most United fans are concerned (they'd be my picks too at this moment in time).
Rooney, Falcao, Herrera, Mata?
Nah, Di Maria #1 and #2 is then largely debatable between 3/4 players.Well the question was "how would you rate your attack .." not "how did they play against Chelsea"
I'm pretty sure Di Maria would be #1 and RvP #2 ahead of Rooney and probably Falcao as well at the moment, as far as most United fans are concerned (they'd be my picks too at this moment in time).
Either way, if you're trying to claim that us taking our 2 best players out damages us as much as you taking your 2 best players out, that's quite precious given the wealth of talent in our attack, how badly you've struggled without Sturridge, and how clearly over reliant you are on Sterling to do .. well ... anything.
I was saying taking the top 2 attacking players out of any team (and top 3 if you include Suarez) would damage any team. And neither of those two played last night
TBF we are only ¼ the way into the PL so we'll see how the teams are playing come January. Considering who we've played, and who United have played, the fact both teams are still struggling, and yet we are on virtual parity, it's quite an achievement. I hadn't expected that considering all the changes to the Liverpool team and United's first half a dozen or so PL matches.
I know you were, and that's why I used Chelsea as an example.I was saying taking the top 2 attacking players out of any team (and top 3 if you include Suarez) would damage any team. And neither of those two played last night
TBF we are only ¼ the way into the PL so we'll see how the teams are playing come January. Considering who we've played, and who United have played, the fact both teams are still struggling, and yet we are on virtual parity, it's quite an achievement. I hadn't expected that considering all the changes to the Liverpool team and United's first half a dozen or so PL matches.
Obviously we'd suffer without Di Maria but I don't think we'd suffer nearly as much without our 2nd best attacker (who people can't even agree on, which says a lot) than you would without Sterling. Hell, we've not done too badly without Rooney for the last three games.
Hmmm. Half your fans wanted Rooney sold in the Summer ! Falcao hasn't done anything yet ... jury has to be out on him until proven otherwise in the PL (though I would have taken him in a heart-beat over Balo), and Herrera isn't an attacker so don't know why you include him TBH.
This is far to honest a summary.
Should add a poll as to which mod has hijacked Barneys account
What are you gibbering on about?
Do you think those four players are better than the players you had available last night or not?
I think if Di Maria and RVP were not available and we had to rely on Falcao and Rooney what we lose on one hand we gain in another. Whereas you having Lambert and Balotelli instead of Sterling and Sturridge hasn't quite worked for you.Well the question was "how would you rate your attack .." not "how did they play against Chelsea"
I'm pretty sure Di Maria would be #1 and RvP #2 ahead of Rooney and probably Falcao as well at the moment, as far as most United fans are concerned (they'd be my picks too at this moment in time).
We saw quite early in the season (first 3 matches) what we are like without our key players. Add to that we are only now starting to get a consistent back line. So things looking up. Be interesting how the same players in the first 3 matches would perform under LVG now.
No what are YOU gibbering on about ? The question was whether taking out your top 2 attackers would severely weaken United's attack or not. What has that got to do with them being better than ours or not ? Nothing. So go back and re-read the post and hopefully you'll now comprehend why I answered your incomplete post of just 4 names as I did.
Yes, 'cause that is exactly what it was. It was not even the worst or the most stonewall incident since both Terry and Ivanovic were grappling as well. You keep on harping about the headlock as if that is the worst offence. Skrtel literally hugs the attackers to the ground in so many occasions. Point which I have made multiple times, but it seems difficult for you to grasp, is that these kind of incidents happen in every game and are not called. So saying that this not being called is some kind of big deal is absurd. Not to mention that the rest of your post comprised of absolute no sense stuff about how Chelsea should have had the game sewn up by the 45/60 minute mark when we had the better opportunities, more shots on and off target, more possession in their half.
EDIT: I see that you are still going on about the media outcry over the incident and using that as an excuse to continue discussing it as some sort of major turning point. What about the absolutely blatant penalty which Lescott should have conceded last game against us. Or about the penalty which was given against us when Rafael was tackled to the ground by the striker in the crazy 5-3 game. Did not see much of a media outcry then. One game, when incidents like these happen in every match, and all the pundits and oppo fans are onto it like leech. Says all that is needed to say.
Have you seen any United fan saying that was NOT a penalty. Yet you go on whining about it. The double standards you lot have is pathetic.
If you can find me two or three incidents of that this season and at the end of last season I'd be surprised. He doesn't do it more than the average defender at this point.
Evra was a terrible defender for the past two seasons, Shaw is a massive upgrade in that department. Vidic isn't having the best of times in a slower league and Rio has been awful at QPR.
First and foremost welcome back Barney boy!
Evra still would have got a game for Liverpool so he wasn't as bad as you are making out! If that was a penalty vs Chelsea (and I wouldn't have a problem with that) as grabbing is out of hand for a while now! The problem I would have is why now why against us! And I think every fan would feel that if its his team that gets punished as every team has/is doing it! Plus it would be laughable if Jose tries to take the moral high ground with the way he has went about buisness in his career to date!
No chance Evra would get a game for us now Alberto Moreno has joined.
Unless you mean low priority cup games.
Unless you mean low priority cup games.
Look who's back after a LFC win!
I've found a gif of our Liverpool posters after any of their losses.He's back!
Where have you been Barney?
Welcome back Barney.
I have no disagreement that evra has been poor in defence for his final two seasons and Rio and vidic are not playing well right now, but that wasn't my point, I was responding to a comment that liverpool had had seismic change in the summer with suarez leaving where as our spending wasnt in response to change, we had the equivalent (if you'll humour the comparison) of selling/releasing agger, skertl, and Enrique, then losing, Johnson, sakho, lovern, [another cb] and Moreno to injury.
In our case The players themselves might not be Individually excellent but as a team they bring massive experience (even the younger players) which the likes of Blackett, McNair and Thorpe, plus James just don't have. Anyway, we've added experience in other areas such as midfield and attack with Falcao, adm, Herrera and blind
Interesting. What do you think you'd gain having Falcao/Rooney over Di Maria/RVP (not that they are exclusive of course) ? I don't see Lambo/Balo as a pair, both tend to play too deep for that, which is why Sturridge & Sterling with either is far better.
No it wasn't. I made the original post, to which you responded. I pointed out that sans Sturridge and Sterling your attack looked mid-table and discussed your back ups on the night. You then replied to my point and invited the comparison by asking how we would look in the same situation.
Except now, apparently, your post was not in fact inviting a comparison to our squad. You just happened to ask a completely unrelated question, nothing to do with any previous posts, nothing to do with a comparison of the two squads. Just an unrelated, out of the blue question that just so happened to coincide with my original post.
Go back to #6040, re-read it. Then read the back and fro between Cina et moi. If you still don't see what you are saying above is off-tack then ........ *shrugs*
You asked how we would rate our forward line if RVP and Di Maria were not playing. I answered that. We lose something, but gain something else. Not a lot of difference. Whereas with Liverpool the loss of Sturridge and Sterling is very significant.
Meh. tbh he's not significant any more. Best case scenario for Liverpool is that they get a really good replacement or two and Gerrard plays from the bench, in which case its the replacements I'm worried about not Gerrard. If they get the good replacements but he leaves, same story.
The ideal would be Liverpool believing they can get another full season from Gerrard and avoiding strengthening on that basis. But I doubt even Liverpool would be that short sighted.
On the plus side Rodger's transfer record as Liverpool manager is abysmal. It'll be interesting to see his idea of a long term replacement.
Tbh I can see Rodgers playing Gerrard in the starting lineup despite the fact he should be on the bench. Which of course would be great.
I seriously hope they don't sell him or let him leave.
Think he should still get a new contract personally. Only a short term one, though, and only if he's happy to accept a much lesser role than he has at the minute.
Chelsea did the right thing letting Lampard go, despite his brief purple patch at City. And replaced him with tons of class players like Matic, Ramires, Fagregas. We really need to do the same.
Gerrard can finally taste something else too before its too late for him.
Gerrard can finally taste something else too before its too late for him.
You won't be able to attract players of that class though. You'll have to go back to Southampton and buy Wanyama.
Do you really think players of that class would go to Liverpool of all places? Rodgers will need to use his head when Gerrard leaves, as that's what top managers do. If his summer activity is anything to go by, I worry for you.
I don't doubt that Liverpool have a challenge to attract high-end players but that bolded point is a bit OTT. We're not talking about a footballing back-water that has no currency in the game. Liverpool are one of the richest clubs in the world - both in terms of heritage and wealth. It might not be number 1 on some players' wish list but it's also not at all as desperate a place as that comment indicates.
I know this thread is geared towards having a pop at Liverpool, which is fair game, but that's a tad blinkered to me.
Wanyama would walk into the United midfield right now.You won't be able to attract players of that class though. You'll have to go back to Southampton and buy Wanyama.
When is the last time you signed a player like Hazard or Fabregas then?
This isn't blinkered at all..
I agree it's difficult. It was the "of all places" comment that was a tad strong. Another year in the CL and the club takes on a whole new gravity. That's kind of how it works in mind. Liverpool's absence has hurt the club's draw.
The notion that United's midfield is top class right now is untrue. Wanyama has had a better season than any United midfielder up to now.
I know old habits die hard, but jibes about our midfield are now out of date.
I didn't mean it as an insult to your clubs status, I know you're a massive club. I meant it in the sense that there's a lot of clubs with far more money in terms of transfer fees and wages. Including United.