While that is strictly true, I think it is fair to say that the overwhelming majority of South Americans/ Spaniards/ Portugese would probably prefer to play for the big Spanish two over almost any other club in the world.Ronaldo had made clear from day one that he wanted to play for Madrid so I think once they were interested it was only a matter of when rather than if. I'm not sure had have stayed even if we'd retained the CL in 09.
I've never seen a player at United so open about their desire to play elsewhere.
Neither Suarez or Coutinho have been anywhere near as vocal about their desires to play for Barca.
So, next season then, la?This season. Bugger all.
But they are rivals. Every top 6 club is a rival to eachother.
To be fair we're not rivalling them for anything this season either.So, next season then, la?
Of course.
Are you a United fan? I’d pipe down if so because look what we replace Ronaldo with.Lemar is certainly no replacement for Coutinho.
A true small club mentality, to sell a player for €150 million and then downgrade by taking players from Leicester City and Southampton. How do you ever expect to progress?
Let me say that again... you have €150 million. You have freed up around 300k in wages with the sale of Coutinho and probably Sturridge and Ings aswell so why on earth are they not going out for an “upgrade” like Sanchez or Griezmann or even Cavani or Aubameyang? What’s their excuse this time?
Champions League football - Check
Big Transfer budget - Check
Big Wage Budget - Check
“Top” manager - Check
I’m beginning to think no top “established” player wants to join them.... It’s as simple as that. Liverpool are a selling club, a stepping stone and they will never compete with the elite teams around the world if they’re constantly bending over and selling their best players.
The cycle will just keep on repeating.
If you are still in the competition then you have a chance.Even he is a bit delusional:
Even with Coutinho, did he really think winning the CL was a possibility just because they thumped mighty Maribor?
Look out for what?I wonder if Real will be going for another clearout this summer. In which case, there's quite a few clubs (including Liverpool and us) who should be on the lookout.
For Robben/ Higuain/ Sneijder/ VDV style bargains from the Real discard pile.Look out for what?
Do they really have such bargains in the discard pile though? It looks like it might be the big names that are under threat from the clear out, who are both ageing and very expensive salary wise. I don't think the Asensios and Iscos are the ones under threat and selling Mayoral or Vasquez is not going generate enough funds for Real to rebuild nor will are they as talented as the players mentioned.For Robben/ Higuain/ Sneijder/ VDV style bargains from the Real discard pile.
We had Nani and Valencia. Yes they weren’t Ronaldo quality but they still helped us win a bunch of league titles.Are you a United fan? I’d pipe down if so because look what we replace Ronaldo with.
They are going to get rid of Bale and Benzema. Stay clear IMO.I wonder if Real will be going for another clearout this summer. In which case, there's quite a few clubs (including Liverpool and us) who should be on the lookout.
Who cares about big names? Quality on the pitch is what matters. With all your big names, you can't really say, that you have attracted more quality than Liverpool over the last few years.We had Nani and Valencia. Yes they weren’t Ronaldo quality but they still helped us win a bunch of league titles.
Liverpool have never won the league. That’s the difference.
On top of that, we still get marquee big name signings. Since Ronaldo left, we’ve signed Van Persie, Falcao, Di Maria, Schweinsteiger, Pogba and Ibrahimovic. Yes some of them haven’t worked out the way we wanted to but they are still massive names coming to us.
Who was the last “big name” signing that joined Liverpool? Who was the last player that left a big club to come to them? Torres?
My point is, leaving Barcelona, PSG and Real Madrid to come to Manchester United is a sidewards step. Leaving those clubs to come to Liverpool is a step backwards.
It isn’t a step backwards. United is arguably the biggest club in the world. We can afford to pay them just as much as those clubs do.Who cares about big names? Quality on the pitch is what matters. With all your big names, you can't really say, that you have attracted more quality than Liverpool over the last few years.
Sure, Manchester United can attract some players, that Liverpool can't, but if you don't believe going from Barca/Real to Manchester United is a step backwards, you need a reality check..
Modric is the only player who is worth getting (if he is in the list). Stay clear of Bale,CR7 and Benz.I wonder if Real will be going for another clearout this summer. In which case, there's quite a few clubs (including Liverpool and us) who should be on the lookout.
Yes.. You can pay as much as them, but it's also a fact, that you haven't won, or been close to win the league since Ferguson left, nevermind Champions League.It isn’t a step backwards. United is arguably the biggest club in the world. We can afford to pay them just as much as those clubs do.
The fact remains that United still win trophies. Liverpool don’t.
There isn't anyone remotely decent that'd be in their discard pile though, they're not even top 3 in a two team league this season and their best players have had their best days already or they're perma crocks. The only ones "realistically" worth nabbing from them are Asensio and Isco, and they ain't selling those two in a hurry.For Robben/ Higuain/ Sneijder/ VDV style bargains from the Real discard pile.
And supposedly linked. What that is worth is anybody's guess but it stated he has only started two matches this season and is unhappy at his prospects (no surprise when you look at those ahead of him).If Liverpool are smart, they should go for Ceballos. A huge talent who is rotting on the bench right now.
I´m honestly curious whether they´ll find a sucka for their €90M transfer. Even in the current climate I think he´s a €50-60M player. There are players of equal quality to Lemar that can certainly be acquired for even less than €60M, if you are patient enough to wait until the summer.
I don't see us paying 90 mill for him this window, I'm not even sure we'll get him in the summer as his value really isn't going to deteriorate following a world cup.
I´m honestly curious whether they´ll find a sucka for their €90M transfer. Even in the current climate I think he´s a €50-60M player. There are players of equal quality to Lemar that can certainly be acquired for even less than €60M, if you are patient enough to wait until the summer.
Besides Liverpool knew Coutinho wanted to leave, so if they are/were truly interested in Lemar, they have been in contact with Monaco for the past six months and it resulted in nothing. I think that is all a play by Monaco to get Wenger to shove over a ridiculous amount of cash. The question there is who has the final say on transfers, because it did not sound like Wenger had any idea, who the 20 year old Greek defender is. If Wenger hadn´t read the papers in the morning, he´d probably called security to remove that tall guy from the training pitch.
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I have a feeling he will be the one they hold on to if they start selling off some of their veterans. He still plays at a very high level and has high football intelligence.Modric is the only player who is worth getting (if he is in the list). Stay clear of Bale,CR7 and Benz.
No disagreements there. It was just an wishful assumption from my side.I have a feeling he will be the one they hold on to if they start selling off some of their veterans. He still plays at a very high level and has high football intelligence.
Wasn't Vinicius Junior signed to replace Benzema?No disagreements there. It was just an wishful assumption from my side.
Think, they will keep their midfield intact and replace Benzema with Hazard or Neymar.
I'm not sure what your argument is here?Yes.. You can pay as much as them, but it's also a fact, that you haven't won, or been close to win the league since Ferguson left, nevermind Champions League.
Do you really think, that you have the same pulling power as these two clubs, just because you can pay the same wages?
Actually you're wrong, Maschereno was I'm pretty sureOn the up side for Liverpool...
I just realized that Coutinho is all set to be the first player since 1990 to play for Liverpool and win a League title in the same season!
United kept Ronaldo for 2 seasons after he clearly wanted to leaveI don’t consider a club a selling club when they lose players to Barca or Madrid but when they lose them to direct rivals. Like when we lost Torres.
When you lost Ronaldo you were getting to finals and had an insane team. And you STILL lost him. What more could you of done to keep him? The lure of those clubs is too great.
Sterling is the most recent example of us selling to direct rivals.
AgreeUnited kept Ronaldo for 2 seasons after he clearly wanted to leave
We also had rooney who at the time was as close as anyone in world football could have been to Messi and Ronaldo at the time
We also had two world class center halves and left full
And two top class center midfielders who could compete st the top table of European football
There is a massive difference
Liverpool sold mascherano Alonso
Then Torres
Then sterling
Then Suarez
Now coutinho
All the while at no point during that have any other players resembling world class in any of those teams to pick up the bat like united had.
Last time united sold anyone at their peak was Ronaldo before that was probably Ruud and that was to make way for Ronaldo and Rooney to take over the mantle
There is a massive difference in the two cycles
Honestly I hope it never happens and the money dries up and the sugar daddies piss off from football altogether never gonna happen mind too much of a business now. Just very sad to see the normal joe soap being priced out of supporting their local teams and transfers being so absurdAgree
We are a selling club and have been for a long time. Until we are bought by Saudi's someone like Roman I cant see that changing in the near future.
Yeah I'm right there with you mate, I enjoyed watching the kids come through and come into the first team. Now they have no chance as it's all about spending over 30mill to be competitive. I was hoping Woodburn would get more of a run and hopefully now PC has gone we will see that. I see Ryan Kent has been recalled from his loan spell so that only adds fuel to the speculation that Klopp wont buy anyone else. I did see Kevin Strootman's name mention last night though, interesting link considering he's nearing 30 and has had a history of injuriesHonestly I hope it never happens and the money dries up and the sugar daddies piss off from football altogether never gonna happen mind too much of a business now. Just very sad to see the normal joe soap being priced out of supporting their local teams and transfers being so absurd
I've read your post a couple of times now, but I still can't figure, why you quoted me? What are you arguing against in my post?I'm not sure what your argument is here?
United have the most pulling power in England. Think that's a fact. In certain instances players may really feel strongly about living in London and that's when Chelsea tend to come in but as a whole United are the biggest and most successful club in England and one of the biggest in the world.
Pogba rejected Madrid to move to United and De Gea signed a new contract to remain at the club as opposed to leaving to them. Since Sir Alex left the club has still attracted top quality players (yes some moves didn't work out Di Maria, Falcao etc) but world class players still continued to join the club.
To suggest Liverpool now attracts better quality players is just wrong. The league table and trophy cabinet just proves it.
It isn't.Who cares about big names? Quality on the pitch is what matters. With all your big names, you can't really say, that you have attracted more quality than Liverpool over the last few years.
Sure, Manchester United can attract some players, that Liverpool can't, but if you don't believe going from Barca/Real to Manchester United is a step backwards, you need a reality check..
Seriously, did you even read what he wrote? "Sure, Manchester United can attract some players, that Liverpool can't". He's saying exactly the same, that United have more pulling power than Liverpool.It isn't.
You talk about quality on the pitch but your team hasn't won anything remotely noteworthy for years. Even during our transitional years, we have at least won something under Mourinho. What have your team won with your "attacking" style of play?
We have gotten players like ADM, Pogba, Lukaku, Matic, Ibrahimovic, Martial. What about Liverpool? pretty sure is less than us.
"With all your big names, you can't really say, that you have attracted more quality than Liverpool over the last few years."Seriously, did you even read what he wrote? "Sure, Manchester United can attract some players, that Liverpool can't". He's saying exactly the same, that United have more pulling power than Liverpool.
What are you arguing against?
You have attracted bigger names, no doubt, but has the quality of your purchases really been that much better?"With all your big names, you can't really say, that you have attracted more quality than Liverpool over the last few years."
