And the wage bill on these hoards of average players is where the money is going.
Agreed. Been saying that for ages now.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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You are contradicting yourself. Sack or Keep Rafa?I don't care if there are a million other threads.
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Sack Rafa, Sell Ngog.
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I prefer KRAP.
Just to prove there's a cloud in every silver lining, what bothers me is that Liverpool are going to have too much time on their hands for the rest of the season.
While we're trying to hold tired players together with elastic bandages and painkillers they'll be giving their lot a week off before FA Cup matches, a fortnight off before CL games, a month off before the Lancashire Senior Cup Final. It's just not right.
Come on Lyon
While we're trying to hold tired players together with elastic bandages and painkillers they'll be giving their lot a week off before FA Cup matches, a fortnight off before CL games, a month off before the Lancashire Senior Cup Final. It's just not right.
Come on Lyon
Right after he saved it and gave the ball away, I thought to myself 'it'd be funny if Fulham went ahead and scored after this'.
They'll have the distraction of the Europa League though. And even if they got through to the knock out stage they might get someone like Barcelona and get knocked out in the last 16. If they don't get out of the group and also fail to finish in the top four this season, there'll be big problems. Being in the Europa League could turn out to be more of a distraction for them.
The post below pretty much summarizes how the Liverpool fans are feeling regarding their epic dip in form. True scouse style, fingers are pointing all over the shop, but the expectedly they'll conclude that it's everyone else fault bar the manager and their team. This, my friends, is why they haven't won the league in so very very long
Liverpool
Everyone over in RAWK seems to believe that the owners are going to sell in the new year. Is this utter speculative bollox based on what the fans want, or is there some meat in the rumour ?
But in saying that Mick, the best players in the world are the players who can play their best as consistently as possible. We all know as football fans that players have dips in form. It's only natural, but some players have fewer dips. It's about getting as many of those types of players into a club to be led by a manager who can man manage and motivate to the highest standard.
In Liverpool's case I feel they are struggling with 3 issues. Firstly their strength in depth is abysmal. A few injuries and they look a completely different side. Secondly, as you said, there is a huge question mark over Rafa's ability to motivate as well as his tactics. Fine Torres was injured but Benayoun ?
That was tactical suicide in my book. And the lastly I do think that some of their players are pretty average at the best of timesWould you ever see Fergie take off our two best players in a crucial league game we were losing by just 1 goal?
I'm trying to think of a match where Rooney or Ronaldo were withdrawn whilst we were behind, but I can't think of any, and certainly not any where both were withdrawn.
It's decisions like those which leave me thinking Rafa is looking for his £18m severance package, so he can take a nice little job in Spain. He is obsessed with money afterall.
I'm trying to think of a match where Rooney or Ronaldo were withdrawn whilst we were behind, but I can't think of any, and certainly not any where both were withdrawn.
It's decisions like those which leave me thinking Rafa is looking for his £18m severance package, so he can take a nice little job in Spain. He is obsessed with money afterall.
Yeah I have to agree it's all a bit odd with Rafa. It's not the first time he's made these types of decisions either. If it's evidently clear to the rest of the premiership that Rafa is making these howlers than how in the name of God don't the Liverpool fans see this ? So many of them are pointing to
1. The Americans
2. Financial Constraints
3. F.A Conspiracy involving Ferguson
4. Bad luck
....but where the hell do the team and manager come into it ?
Yeah I agree with all that, I was talking specifically about yesterday.But in saying that Mick, the best players in the world are the players who can play their best as consistently as possible. We all know as football fans that players have dips in form. It's only natural, but some players have fewer dips. It's about getting as many of those types of players into a club to be led by a manager who can man manage and motivate to the highest standard.
In Liverpool's case I feel they are struggling with 3 issues. Firstly their strength in depth is abysmal. A few injuries and they look a completely different side. Secondly, as you said, there is a huge question mark over Rafa's ability to motivate as well as his tactics. Fine Torres was injured but Benayoun ?
If a team beats Utd 2-0 one week and then loses 3-1 to Fulham the next it, to some degree has to be down to preparation and motivation. Obviously Rafa had one eye on the midweek game and maybe that transferred to the players.
If it was a one off you could put it down to a bad day but they drop points to smaller teams like that each year.
Well when they showed the two teams on MotD before the kickoff - Fulham had the better team out. No surprise they won.
And finally someone sent Carragher off. It's awful.
And finally someone sent Carragher off. It's awful.
If they get beat midweek they are virtually out of the champions league. This could be one of the most enjoyable times I have ever had goading my scouse supporting mates.
Thing is, even if they somehow manage to beat Lyon midweek, their chances of qualifying to the next round will still be slim. They are pretty much out of Europe already.
I think they'll beat Lyon on Wednesday and win the rest of their games and go through.
I'm even thinking of putting money on it.
I'm even thinking of putting money on it.
Even that won't make them certain to go through.
I think they'll get beat this week and go out of the CL.
What's the implications if they draw the game?
I think this is a likely result as they'll be so desperate not to lose that they might just close up shop and play on the break, leading to both sides cancelling eachother out I reckon.
I think this is a likely result as they'll be so desperate not to lose that they might just close up shop and play on the break, leading to both sides cancelling eachother out I reckon.
Even a draw still wouldn't be enough I don't think. You'd bank on Fiorentina winning which would put them on 9 points I think. If Lyon & Liverpool draw, it would put Lyon up to 10 points whilst Liverpool would be on 4 points.
Lyon are going to go through, no doubt about that. So between Fiorentina and Liverpool, you're looking at Fiorentina dropping points in one or two matches and Liverpool winning all of their remaining matches. It's not entirely impossible but I'd be surprised if it did happen.
True.
Just have this feeling they will go through for some reason.
Fiorentina have to go to Anfield yet and home to Lyon, couple of tricky ties there.
They are pretty much out if they draw.
They will be on 4 points, whereas Lyon will have 10 - they won't be able to surpass them. Fiorentina will be on 9 points and will need to:
- beat Lyon at home and nothing else
- avoid a defeat at Anfield
- get a draw against Lyon at home and then avoid a 3-goal defeat at Anfield
Nah, if they beat Lyon and then Fiorentina at home, they'll either come second behind Lyon (if Lyon get something at Fiorentina), or it will go down to GD from games between the three teams, and then Liverpool will finish above Lyon.
(Assuming no-one fecks up against Debrecen.)
I think that could be a tricky journey for them going out to Hungary where it's feckin freezing this time of year.
Ladyboy will be wearing his best pair of tights for that one.
I thought head to head results took precedence over GD?
Yes, I was being incredibly stupid.
Or was I? I'm confused.
Ah, I see, I fecked up my GD calculations.
Here's the Debrecen-less table:
Lyon 6p 3-1
Fiorentina 3p 2-1
Liverpool 0p 1-4
Assuming Liverpool beat Lyon and Fiorentina, they'll go through if their wins are big enough. Two 2-0s will do. Two 1-0s too if Fiorentina don't beat Lyon or beat them by three. And if they win by one in Lyon, they can make sure of progress by beating Fiorentina by three.
Fiorentina have to go to Anfield, which you'd suspect is set up for some 'glorious heroics' from Gerrard, or failing that, some Starfish specials.
I don't think they're out of it. Come on Lyon though.
I don't think they're out of it. Come on Lyon though.
If Lyon have a fully fit side for Wednesday they’ll beat Liverpool at home....Lyon are a very strong side on their own turf and Liverpool defensively are shambolic to put it politely....Im not sure how Lyon are doing fitness wise but if their anything close to full strength id have my money on them turning liverpool over by a 2 goal margin....
Remember this is the same Lyon who beat Liverpool at anfield less than a fortnight ago with their best midfielder (Toulalan) being used as an emergency stand in centre half and their only other recognised centre back taken off injured inside the half hour….yet they still totally outplayed Liverpool in the second half…
Remember this is the same Lyon who beat Liverpool at anfield less than a fortnight ago with their best midfielder (Toulalan) being used as an emergency stand in centre half and their only other recognised centre back taken off injured inside the half hour….yet they still totally outplayed Liverpool in the second half…
What happens if Lyon wins? What's the situation?
I would laugh if they didn't make it through, but you know that's not going to happen. I remember they were close to it a couple of seasons ago but yeah typical.
Liverpool will need Fiorentina to lose at home to Lyon and beat Fiorentina themselves by three (2-0 makes it complicated). Still assuming everyone beats Debrecen.
Nah, it's not freezing in Hungary. It's a bit warmer than in Poland and it's not really very cold in Poland now.
It's minus 3 there as of now
Debrecen - Hungary Weather Forecast on Yahoo! Weather
and the Liverpool game is a couple of weeks away yet.
Realistically, they will lose to Lyon on Wednesday, beat Debrecen in two weeks and draw against Fiorentina at home in their final game.