Liverpool may as well pack up and prepare for the Europa League. Fiorentina are likely to beat Debrecen which means that Fiorentina will need a point from their remaining 2 games to move on; Lyon will qualify.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
It's about the same in Poland now, I don't think Liverpool will have much problem with that and based on previous years I don't expect the temperature to go much lower.
I somehow can't see that happening because they'll have Torres back and Lyon doesn't have defenders good enough to deal with him.
Hopefully I'll be proven wrong
you just know it'll be like 2005 when they needed a jammy win on the last matchday against olympiakos.
Won't be a massive problem but it will take a few outside of their comfort zone.
one thing i would like to point out is that while rafa is off his rocker, if i were owning liverpool (and actually cared that they did well on the pitch), i'm not sure if i'd sack him. i don't think they could get in a replacement who would do much better with that shite team (especially in europe). they are really in a catch-22 situation and rafa essentially has the club hostage and he knows it. it isn't like he would be out of work that long either. he could walk into the madrid job and if were to get sacked, i wouldn't be surprised if city looked to try to get him if sparky doesn't have them in the top four this season (considering that they'll spend another 50-75 million this january).
You obviously remember them doing this before. I do also, so expect them to scrape through to at least the semis.
Either that or I'm trying to subliminally jinx them.You obviously remember them doing this before. I do also, so expect them to scrape through to at least the semis.
Shh. Don't tell anyone (I'm trying to do the same). Plus when you predict horrible things, if they don't happen it makes it even better.Either that or I'm trying to subliminally jinx them.
@ LiverpoolThey'll win on Wednesday.
That's one way to look at it. I'm viewing it that Poo must beat Fiorentina at Anfield and match their results against the other 2 teams. That would see them level on points and we are into some tiebreakers which I can't be arsed to look up.
Hopefully Lyon will beat Poo and give Fiorentina a stand-off draw arranged prior to the match
Sorry lads but they will win, they had a must win game about 2 weeks ago a won comfortably, the bastards always show up when thier bollocks are on the line.
come on lyon though
come on lyon though
Cavalieri
Degen (ineligible)
Kelly
Johnson
Aurelio
Skrtel
Agger
Aquilani
El Zhar
Riera
Gerrard
Torres
N'Gog
A Scouser posted this on the SI forums - all these players are either struggling for fitness, unfit, injured or ineligible.
Degen (ineligible)
Kelly
Johnson
Aurelio
Skrtel
Agger
Aquilani
El Zhar
Riera
Gerrard
Torres
N'Gog
A Scouser posted this on the SI forums - all these players are either struggling for fitness, unfit, injured or ineligible.
It's an interesting question, in terms of the race for the 4th place in the league, as to whether Liverpool getting knocked out of the CL this week will help or hinder them.
Not getting knocked out will impose an extra strain on their squad in terms of player injuries and tiredness from the extra matches, whereas getting knocked out could have a fatal demoralising effect.
I'm in two minds about it, but on balance tend to think that their league campaign will suffer more if they get knocked out.
Not getting knocked out will impose an extra strain on their squad in terms of player injuries and tiredness from the extra matches, whereas getting knocked out could have a fatal demoralising effect.
I'm in two minds about it, but on balance tend to think that their league campaign will suffer more if they get knocked out.
They'll still have the Uefa Pot to play for.
Playing on Thursday before league games on Sunday (possibly even on Saturday) will hinder their campaign too. Especially as they are likely to get trips to some weird places in Europa League.
Good point and won't they actually play more games if they end up in the Europa thingy?
I see it now - Liverpool are going for a unique treble again!
Sadly I agree. Game-raising small-timers will leave it all to do on the final matchday, and then pull off a miracle win and Rafa/Stevie/Torreth will be hailed as geniuses.
Can't believe the deluded bastards at Rawk haven't picked up on this 'that I can see'. If we beat Chelsea this weekend and they win, they are only 7 points behind the top of the table. Get their shit together and they are still well and truly within striking distances.
They will.
I believe they will start their Europa League campaign at Last 32. They'd be in Last 16 if they went through in Champions League, which means they will get two extra games in UEFA Cup.
They are very likely to go far in that competition too seeing as there are hardly any good teams participating, in Champions League they would be likely to get knocked out after two or four games.
I think Europa League is actually more tiresome than Champions League as you play more games, travel more (there are hardly any teams outside top leagues left in knock-out rounds of CL) and play at very inconvenient days.
7 points is a lot, especially as they will have to catch up with TWO teams and count on both teams doing much, much worse than them. Not to mention that we would still be ahead of them and they'd have to hope that we do worse as well.
What bothers me is that in seasons when United found themselves in difficult position, especially in Mourinho's days, a subject of us catching up with them was hardly brought up. When it's Liverpool or Chelsea, people seldom write them off even at most difficult times.
Although they could just do a Spurs and only play their reserve side.
I am hoping that's what we would do.
They have to catch up with at least 3 teams who have realistic aspirations to win the title. Arsenal cannot be written off and even City are favourites to win the League ahead of Liverpool.
Part of it is some fear of magically influencing the result of the game by 'jinxing' it with internet posts. The bloke who started the 'As for the League it's game set and match, United' was actually blamed for Liverpool getting slightly closer to us in the League, and before that, someone who called Alves a flop was blamed for him scoring twice against us.
Gerrard isn't in the squad for Lyon. Or is that old news?
Been injured for a while and could need surgery which will keep him out until December-January.
no fecking wai .
that would be laughable if true .. not the injury to a player part .. the liverpool being fecked part
Yeah, I mentioned Arsenal as the second team because they will have the same points tally as Chelsea if they win their game in hand. If we lose on Sunday, we will be 5 points behind Chelsea and possibly 5 points behind Arsenal in a while. 4 points ahead of Liverpool, if I'm not mistaken, though. So they will have to rely on us all doing very poorly.
I see.
I was actually shocked that people still considered Chelsea title challengers when they were 7 or 9 points behind us with 4 games to go last season, quoting games against Hull and some other random mid-table team as tough.If Rafa don't get them into the next round of the CL, they can't afford to sack him.
Probably the greatest irony of all!
Anyone else getting reminded a bit of 2004-05? Shit Liverpool team struggling to qualify for the second round, doing nothing in the league. I think I might stick 5 pounds on them to win the CL.
That'll be five pounds down the drain if Liverpool will be without Gerrard and Torres tomorrow.
Liverpool v Bayern UEFA cup final.
Foster
Neville
Rafael
O'Shea
Evra
Evans
Vidic
Scholes
Tosic
Giggs
Rooney
Berbatov
Macheda
That would more or less be the equivalent players for us.
Would still leave us with a XI of van der Sar; Hargreaves, Fabio, Rio, Brown; Valencia, Carrick, Fletcher, Nani; Welbeck, Owen
Who were the 12 players we had out all at one time last season?