Sam
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Anyone able to actually think of anything he's doing well? Or anything that he's doing better then another 'top' manager would be able to do?
No, that's stupid.Enough. Any manager at any other top club would be getting pelters but Van Gaal has had a relatively easy ride up to now because of his CV.
The fans need to get in the faces of the Glazers and wake them up.
Good Lord we've that bad? Sack the idiot because we are just going to waste more money with him and continue our decline.Robbed from elsewhere. Since the 4-2 City game last April:
Played 21 league games.
Scored 23 league goals.
Juan Mata top scorer with 5 goals, no one else has scored more than 3.
The lowest amount is 22 goals. Shared by Newcastle, West Brom and Swansea City.
23 is same number of goals scored by Aston Villa and Sunderland.
If he remains in the top three and close enough to the #1 spot, then we wont sack him no matter what happens in the other competitions. Lets face it, unfortunately we wont sack him this season. Maybe, just maybe at the end of the season there is a chance depending on where we finish in the premier league.He won't finish the season as our manager.
Agreed, shit will hit the fan around March/April.He won't finish the season as our manager.
I didn't mean get rid of him right now, but the Glazers must be made aware of the level of dissatisfaction and make preparations to replace him in the Summer. This just isn't good enough.No, that's stupid.
If he goes mid season we'll have giggs which is a bigger risk.
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Where did you see that picture? Care to share?No need to heap anymore shit on Louis. He knows he's messed up big time. If things don't improve I'm sure he'll resign. Regardless of what people think of him, I do believe he's got honour, and will do the right thing if it's not working. He won't hang around.
Just saw a picture of our supporters pointing and shouting aggressively at him after the game - just as he's going into the tunnel - right in his face. The look on the face..... part sadness, part fright - After seeing that, any frustrations I have with him just disappeared. Negativity and anger going too far now.
I don't expect this to happen. IMO, around February he'll get the sack. Or he will resign.If he remains in the top three and close enough to the #1 spot, then we wont sack him no matter what happens in the other competitions. Lets face it, unfortunately we wont sack him this season. Maybe, just maybe at the end of the season there is a chance depending on where we finish in the premier league.
United fans will probably be delighted they don't have to endure possession football and Giggsy can come in and start project "be Fergie".They should if we don't end up hiring Pep.
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Who would you replace him with?They should if we don't end up hiring Pep.
What did you expect on the back pages ffsThe media were waiting for this, from the second he arrived they have been licking their fingers.
Feck those scumbags.
you confused me by quoting me twice I had to check I wasn't crazy when I saw your name twice.Who would you replace him with?
Keep in mind that Ancelotti is not interested in joining anyone right now.
He said "I will not take a job in mid-season, but I would like to work again next summer."
He wants to start with a summer to plan and build at his next job.
I have no idea how I quoted you. Now I need to figure out who I intended to quote.you confused me by quoting me twice I had to check I wasn't crazy when I saw your name twice.
I voted in this and the other thread to sack LVG at the end of the season. I wouldn't do it now; we don't need more turmoil as it is. And people can lynch me for saying so but I have no faith in Giggs as a manager. It's still a long way and we should already be trying out best to tempt either one of Pep/Ancelotti. There's still just over half the season to go and that might be enough to give either of them plenty of time to think about things and observe.
Fellaini is a complete different problem for me - he is just not good enough. But just look at Schweini's or Mata's positon during the game. They always changed and it made us lose shape. Mata was playing as the deepest midfielder at times and Basti and Fellaini were on the wings which lead to the point we had no one in central midfield. Just no oneIt doesn't help our shape when Fellaini's always quite erratic positionally as well.
Why is that important?There was a good comment on TV: it was obvious that he was doing well with giving us a foundation. However, we never were able to do the next step and move up from that point. We havent developped as we should have and I doubt we will under LVG with Giggs as an assistant
I dont believe he should be there and I dont want to see him as a manager either. We can only speculate how much he does / does not thoughWhy is that important?
I agree that he shouldn't be manager. It would be bonkers on our part. But I don't think it affects us. LVG has the chap with him that's always been with him everywhere so he's got his usual team anyway. Giggs gives his input and learns as well. I don't think it has negative repercussions.I dont believe he should be there and I dont want to see him as a manager either. We can only speculate how much he does / does not though
The "hope" seems to me to be blind hope.It is tough. At this point there's hope. That's all. Hope that the mitigating circumstances you argued last month and last week and yesterday are still valid and things could still come good. Injuries. Decisions. Time needed for the squad to gel. Confidence.
I thought something Van Gaal had was that big game temperament, or luck, or something that would see us through. So I'm disappointed. But the club aren't going to sack him now so all he can do is respond, steer the team to a long and very good run. It's getting harder to believe he'll actually do it, but he still might.
If he doesn't and we don't win anything and/or finish top 2 I think we should probably look for a new manager in the summer.
They never liked him at all.That much was obvious from the start. Now that they smell blood, they'll tear him to pieces. I expect him to lose it with them just like his first Barca stint. On a personal level, you almost have to feel pity for him. The English press are savages.The media were waiting for this, from the second he arrived they have been licking their fingers.
Feck those scumbags.
I disagree about the lack of quality, I think we have some good players who will get better. I'd say the system seems incapable of producing a consistent attacking threat because the players aren't settled, with each other and in some cases with the league. I think as they settle they might improve.The "hope" seems to me to be blind hope.
It's all too scattergun. I don't see how things will suddenly "gel" when we have a lack of quality in the squad and the system seems incapable (based on what we've seen) of producing any more than sporadic attacking threat.
Last nights random subs were a new low. Young left on the bench for a kid, Powell on instead of Pereira? Bizarre. It smacks of just trying anything because you're desperate. It certainly doesn't match up with the assessment of him being some kind of tactical genius.
Serious doubts now, though they've been there for most of this season, and even his ardent fans can't exactly keep pointing to 'results over style', we've drawn 4 of our last 6 and are lying 4th with just three more points compared to last season at this stage, and anything but a win away to Wolfsburg and we're probably out of a very winnable group in the CL, already out of the (admittedly less important) League Cup, with performances still rubbish and far too many players wholly out of form, the season could be very well in jeopardy if things don't change. I'm already hearing talk of a big spend in January and I'm just rolling my eyes in response, who are we spunking stupid amounts at now? Mahrez/Vardy/Ighalo or some other flavour of the month? Or are we going to waste our time trying to 'bring Ronnie home' or prize some unhappy star out of form?
The job of a coach is to get the best out of the players available to him and request improvements when necessary, as in you have to do the first in order to get a chance at the second, Moyes didn't do this and was rightly sacked before he had the chance to get his hands on the transfer budget again. Van Gaal did the bare minimum last season and got us 4th, great, wonderful, but we expected progress from that this season, and aside from the back end, I think we've gone backwards. We play with no tempo, no intent, happy to pass the opposition to death and rely on the odd bit of Martial magic or rare decent cross. There's absolutely no cohesion to the team's attack, no clear blueprint or tactical nous involved. He refuses to change our basic setup and his only 'plan b' is to throw on Fellaini to try and knock down Ashley Young's floaty crosses to the backpost. He refuses to change the approach of the team on the pitch and instead makes a whole set of usually bizarre changes, often leaving on out of form players who clearly aren't having their day. He has tried to shoehorn the players he has into this philosophy of his, instead of doing what most managers do and adapting and modifying their philosophy to suit the players available. Imagine Guardiola going into West Brom expecting them to play like like his Barca/Bayern sides, it would be hilariously bad to watch.
His squad management has been next to laughable. He decides to gut most of the squad players, fine, some of them weren't up to scratch, whatever, but he still had to replace them, and didn't, now we have our oh so surprising injury crisis #453, and lookie here, we're lacking squad depth in several positions and have to plug in players out of position and throw in youngsters. I was sure after 3 transfer windows he'd have the team prepared for a big season but after the joke of an end to last summer he goes into the season with Januzaj as our no.10, oh so he has real faith in this new setup? Nope, loaned out after the first month and we change our first 11 again. This just tells me he was making it up as he went along and didn't have a clue as to what his first 11 was. We go into the season with Rooney and Martial as our only true striker options? How shocking that injuries/form would make this a problem. The team he has that aren't performing are his own doing and I have no sympathy for him, and I honestly would not trust another 100/200m with him again.
And of course we have all the excuses from certain fans at the ready. Whether it's Rooney's/Mata's/Memphis's/Carrick's fault, or the whole team not being good enough to form a single attack, us lacking a Messi/Ronaldo/Neymar to do it all on their own, or all those individual mistakes, or all those mean midtable sides coming to play for a draw, or the referees, or bad luck or whatever, it's usually not HIS fault. I saw this under Moyes, he had the whole school of 'it's not my fault' out in force, it's complete whataboutery and just avoids the main problem. So many of our fans are (once again) more than happy to throw the whole team under the bus just to avoid possibly blaming the manager for these shite performances, utterly bizarre. We've seen an out of form Rooney become the sole scapegoat for this place, completely saving LVG from the flak he gets. I can't blame Van Gaal for every little thing gone wrong under his tenure, but I can say that the buck does indeed stop with him, and if he can't sufficiently get the best out of this team and get them performing then I don't believe he should continue as manager. Things could change, we could beat Wolsfurg and get our act together, but it's hard to be positive about this team, and it's manager right now.
We haven't got enough going forward in my opinion. Relying on a 20 year old for goals is madness. He's done well but looks to me like he needs a break or at least time without having to carry the burden. And we lack pace overall.I disagree about the lack of quality, I think we have some good players who will get better. I'd say the system seems incapable of producing a consistent attacking threat because the players aren't settled, with each other and in some cases with the league. I think as they settle they might improve.
But I agree it increasingly looks like desperate hope. And about the substitutions.
Make this kid the manager.Wow!
years and years old.Wtf is this?
Where did you see that picture? Care to share?
That doesnt look so hostile youd call it "going too far" to me. Im not sure Van Gaal looks frightened either. He looks disappointed / sad, and he has turned to listen to what that guy in the hat is saying.
I think it's @Jazz who pointed that out. Just saw the picture in an article and assumed that is the one he was taking about.That doesnt look so hostile youd call it "going too far" to me. Im not sure Van Gaal looks frightened either. He looks disappointed / sad, and he has turned to listen to what that guy in the hat is saying.
Poor Kimi. I wonder if he got Bastian's shirt