Lucas Moura - (Caf decides he’s naff again) Spurs bound?

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I just see a lot of moaning because he's not enough of a muppet signing and people want bigger names. Of course he's a step below the players ahead of him at PSG, but that's hardly a crime or a shock.

I think for the peanuts he'd cost, he's worth the punt.
 
We are crying out for some threat on the RW. See how we have missed Valencia these last few weeks. For the money that is being quoted, this is hardly a risk. If he doesn't work out - then so what? Cant continue with Mata and Mikhi on right wing for another 20-30 games surely? I think any decent right winger would improve our balance, Mahrez, Lucas whoever. Doesn't have to be a Galactico signing. Please Jose, address the key areas asap. With Shaw finally stepping up, RW and CM must be the priorities.
 
Havent seen a huge amount of him, but on the few occasions I have he's always been a livewire and he seems to produce a decent amount in the final third. Even this season he has 1 goal and 1 assist in 72 minutes combined. Not getting any starts in the league this season is obviously the reason the fee is lower than it might have been in the past, but I guess not getting starts when you're competing with Neymar, Mbappe, Di Maria and Draxler for 2 spots is fairly normal. Someone has to lose their opportunities. Hopefully he can rise to the task of the Premier League if we do sign him
 
Raees said:
I disagree. I think it is lazy on the part of the management and the club. We all know it is an inflated market, but to circumvent the effects of the market.. you need to make sure any big spending is only for those marquee signings.. any other supplementary signings, we should be looking at loans or free transfers. Each time we sign a squaddie for £20-40m.. and on big wages, we struggle to then offload them and it means less money for the essential first team purchases, and means we are only signing 4 players a window instead of the overhaul we drastically need.

Guys like Demarai Gray etc.. could have easily be signed from lower divisions for peanuts and enhance the squad depth. Getting a squad level RW for a substantial amount of money is lazy scouting IMO. Alexis Sanchez is going to City for £35m and we are getting Lucas at 25m.. that is insane, once again City sign a world class talent for peanuts and we're left whining that we are such a poor club and have no money to spend - utter bullshit.

We need to be way smarter in the transfer market.
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Saying Sanchez for £35 million isn't right, he's going to be on £200k a week plus on top of that fee. Plus he's set his heart on a move to City, so are you suggesting we waste our time pursuing him?
If Jose has a need to buy a player to resolve an issue in January, we need to look at who is available and suits the specific role he identifies. No point dreaming about x, y or z player who's not available or out of our price range. It'll be very difficult to purchase players in the summer and the fees for the top players will mean it'll be 1 top player purchased. Getting Moura for a good fee or even a loan seems pretty sensible, he'll provide width and is exactly what Jose is looking for in terms of work rate.
 
For me, I think we'll switch to 3 at the back permanently fairly soon. If that does happen, his attributes are that of a wing back then any forward.

Versatility is only ever a good thing I suppose.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
For me, I think we'll switch to 3 at the back permanently fairly soon. If that does happen, his attributes are that of a wing back then any forward.

Versatility is only ever a good thing I suppose.
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I'd be amazed if this happens.
 
Just for the fact that his name starts with MOU I really like him.
Sing him now and the right wing will look great with Valencia & Mou.
 
Red_toad said:
Saying Sanchez for £35 million isn't right, he's going to be on £200k a week plus on top of that fee. Plus he's set his heart on a move to City, so are you suggesting we waste our time pursuing him?
If Jose has a need to buy a player to resolve an issue in January, we need to look at who is available and suits the specific role he identifies. No point dreaming about x, y or z player who's not available or out of our price range. It'll be very difficult to purchase players in the summer and the fees for the top players will mean it'll be 1 top player purchased. Getting Moura for a good fee or even a loan seems pretty sensible, he'll provide width and is exactly what Jose is looking for in terms of work rate.
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But why is his heart set on City? remember when we got RVP.. this is a sign that something about our attractiveness as a club, as a desirable destination isn't right or what it once was.

The cream of the crop domestically should be dreaming of playing for United. Its not a god given right, but we had earnt that status and now it is slipping. We need to put ourselves in a situation, similar to Bayern where we can take advantage of any domestic freebies or bargains ala Goretska/Lewa.

Getting Moura on a loan or reasonable fee would be a smart signing. I am not against him coming here.. just saying for 30-40m, we can get a Malcolm/Bailey/Mahrez. If you're going to penny pinch, do it properly - drive a hard bargain.
 
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daveoliver91 said:
Just for the fact that his name starts with MOU I really like him.
Sing him now and the right wing will look great with Valencia & Mou.
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To be honest, I've always wondered what it would be like to see them paired up.. both are so one-footed and touchline hugging, would they get in each others way.. or take turns tearing past opposition full back down the outside leaving them exhausted.
 
This is where United play hard ball, 15 Million euros and we take him. Worst case he doesn't work out and we should be able to recoup the money on a sale down the road.
 
He scored 16 goals in 48 matches last season and that's from the flanks. This guy is a great player to have around
 
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But why is his heart set on City? remember when we got RVP.. this is a sign that something about our attractiveness as a club, as a desirable destination isn't right or what it once was.

The cream of the crop domestically should be dreaming of playing for United. Its not a god given right, but we had earnt that status and now it is slipping. We need to put ourselves in a situation, similar to Bayern where we can take advantage of any domestic freebies or bargains ala Goretska/Lewa.

Getting Moura on a loan or reasonable fee would be a smart signing. I am not against him coming here.. just saying for 30-40m, we can get a Malcolm/Bailey/Mahrez. If you're going to penny pinch, do it properly.
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Serious question? The combination of astronomical money, charismatic manager, beautiful football and almost unlimited trophy potential is a fairly heady mix.
 
Why is everyone saying he is touchline hugging winger? Because he plays as right winger and right footed? I'm sure I saw him making some superb dribbles through the middle rather than playing like Valencia.
 
Raees said:
But why is his heart set on City? remember when we got RVP.. this is a sign that something about our attractiveness as a club, as a desirable destination isn't right or what it once was.

The cream of the crop domestically should be dreaming of playing for United. Its not a god given right, but we had earnt that status and now it is slipping. We need to put ourselves in a situation, similar to Bayern where we can take advantage of any domestic freebies or bargains ala Goretska/Lewa.

Getting Moura on a loan or reasonable fee would be a smart signing. I am not against him coming here.. just saying for 30-40m, we can get a Malcolm/Bailey/Mahrez. If you're going to penny pinch, do it properly - drive a hard bargain.
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Sanchez is probably moving to City for the same reason RVP moved to us. He's 29, he hasn't won any major English honors at Arsenal and therefore he wouldn't mind moving to a meah city for a couple of years as long as he's got some guarantees of adding more medals in his cabinet. We're not that guarantee, City are.
 
AR87 said:
Might be doing exactly this with Ozil
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I hope so. Also hope we don't go nuts though on a fee if we were to get him this January. If we are being honest, we don't have much of a chance in the CL, and its only the FA cup which we can win. Therefore anything over £30m for a player we can get on a free in the summer is not as justified as it is in the Sanchez scenario.. where they're going for quadruple and have a solid chance of going for that.
 
roonster09 said:
Why is everyone saying he is touchline hugging winger? Because he plays as right winger and right footed? I'm sure I saw him making some superb dribbles through the middle rather than playing like Valencia.
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I think it was a tactical thing looking at his stats and clips from his through the seasons at PSG. Seems before last year he played closer to the touchline and was often looking to cross into the box for Ibra and Cavani coming into the box from the opposite wing. Last year it seemed with a more mobile attack he often looked to link up through the middle with Cavani, Di Maria, Pastore, etc.
 
AR87 said:
I think it was a tactical thing looking at his stats and clips from his through the seasons at PSG. Seems before last year he played closer to the touchline and was often looking to cross into the box for Ibra and Cavani coming into the box from the opposite wing. Last year it seemed with a more mobile attack he often looked to link up through the middle with Cavani, Di Maria, Pastore, etc.
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This was against Barca last season when they won 4-0. He came on as a sub and barely made a move hugging touchline.



He is far more than just hug touch line type winger.

Saying that, I don't think we are in for him. It's just media gossip section and one source copying others.
 
why not just go after walcott instead? at least he's english and has EPL experience. they're practically the same type of player...
 
Still ill said:
Serious question? The combination of astronomical money, charismatic manager, beautiful football and almost unlimited trophy potential is a fairly heady mix.
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devilish said:
Sanchez is probably moving to City for the same reason RVP moved to us. He's 29, he hasn't won any English honors at Arsenal and therefore he wouldn't mind moving to a meah city for a couple of years as long as he's got some guarantees of adding more medals in his cabinet. We're not that guarantee, City are.
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It was a rhetorical question. I'm arguing that we need make the club more attractive to big stars, skilful players. Right now, with a guy like Jose in charge, our drab football and the vibe we give off as a club that doesn't really have its shit sorted out.. its not a particularly attractive set up which means we are having to overcompensate with massive fees/wages to get players through the door. We need to win the hearts and minds of these players, not just entice them with money.
 
Lucas is still a good player. People are just butthurt that he is a sub for PSG and "how can we sign a player who's a sub"

Face it he's better than anybody on our right side, he's still fairly young and has been a sub long enough to realise he doesn't want to waste anymore of his career. I think he would do well with us.

If PSG are willing to let him go fairly cheaply then we would be crazy not too, we need more pace and a genuine wide player.
 
I think I'll reserve judgement. How many people thought Valencia would be average? Turned out to be beast.

Everyone creamed their pants over Depay. Turned out to be shite.

Sometimes, signings like this reinvigorate a player and they do really well...
 
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Yes they are guilty of spending loads, but regarding Sanchez it is them capitalising on the situation and ensuring he doesn't have his head turned in the mean time, in addition to securing a guy who will be vital in the chase for the CL. This is probably City's best chance of securing the european cup as most of the big european sides aren't at their best and will rebuild post world cup. Grabbing Sane and Jesus for under £60m was really good investing and most of their big transfers have been pretty spot on and not too overpriced - KDB looks like a snip in hindsight and only Sterling was a player you could say the fee seemed extortionate.

Remember when Fergie signed Tevez, got Owen on a free.. We need more signings like that in addition to big spending. We rarely sell our players for much as well.. if we had a Lucas, we'd sell him for under £10m. Look at Mkhi, no chance we will sell him for much. We've killed his value.

Someone like Lucas, should be £10-20m max. Yes it sounds silly moaning if its gone to 25m, but I would like us to take the approach every penny counts and just be more cost-efficient in the way we go about doing things. Otherwise teams know they can take us for a ride.

Get in guys like Lucas at £15m, Perisic for £30m and suddenly we've got two solid wingers at european level for £45m and even if they do end up being squaddies, the perception and pressure on the signings is less and we have more money in the bank to go in hard for the top signings. Instead if we go £25/30m on a Lucas and £50m on a Perisic.. £80m of your budget is blown on sub-standard players who are not really going to be your long term answer on the flanks.

If we can't get them in through the door at these prices, then walk away from the deal and have other targets in place. No offence but guys like Lucas, Perisic.. we can and should have alternative targets by the dozen for such players within that price range. Its the Mbappe's and Dembele's of this world which are rare and we should ensure we're right in there with the big bucks and making sure we turn their heads and bring them here at all costs.
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Every good player signed before 2015 is starting to look like a snip in hindsight – Even Sterling. City’s laundry list of trash includes Bony, Mangala, Nasri, Rodwell, Nolito, Bravo, Jovetic etc. Genuine shite.

Sanchez is not a situation of value – It’s just purely Arsenal’s incompetence. City obviously appeal to the player more than anyone else or there’d be more of a market for him. There’s just no way to spin signing a 29 year old winger for £35m as good value when they can get him for nothing in 6 months. It’s opportunistic but still an example of their lavish spending. No other club would do that for a very good reason. If they win the CL then yes it will be viewed as worth it albeit they may win it without him – If they don’t it’s a waste with virtually no resale value on top of that.

Tevez was another unique situation – That’s not indicative of the current market or any market. Owen was a nothing player here, well past his best. A better example of how we operated in those years would be the overpaying for Berbatov and trying to find value with guys like Valencia, Hernandez, Smalling etc.

In what market is Lucas worth £20m though? Everton just signed a striker you never heard of from Turkey for more than that. £20m is becoming pocket change in this market and is going to the value of any half decent squad player we can find unless we find a rough diamond elsewhere. I don’t want to sign Lucas because I don’t want to invest too much in an inconsistent talent - the likes of which we already have – But even I can see there’s no risk attached to that fee.

Not sure what your point about Perisic is considering we didn’t pay that for him so we obviously didn’t allow/budget for that amount. You’re complaining about something that didn’t happen. We’re probably not going to turn the heads of the elite with Paris, Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern seemingly bringing more appeal to players depending on where they’re from and along with our neighbours, can match any financial package we offer. We’re going to just have to suck it up and compete in the market as it is or we’ll fall away completely.
 
Bad signing for me, he's decent but he won't make more impact than Mata on the RW
Malcolm is a 20y/o wonderkid and Mahrez PL proven are far better attainable options
Moura work rate is average at best and he was on the bench more often than not, for him to get his fitness back will make this signing pointless and of course he can't play in UCL
 
You get these type of players in the winter window. None of our targets must be desperate to leave their clubs.
 
People on here were against Matic and Perisic, and both are very good players, so I hope we buy Moura.
 
I’d be happy with Moura in a January transfer window. You don’t really have many decent options this time of year and although he’s probably not someone we’d peruse in the summer window, he would add some much needed depth and versatility to our right side.

I know he hasn’t played often as of late but has anyone see him play regularly enough to say what his skill set is? Is he anything like Valencia?

Also, do people actually remember that Fergie wanted t sign him when he was leaving Santos? The lads got something in his DNA that makes him a United player.
 
HakeemTheDreamOlajuwon said:
Bad signing for me, he's decent but he won't make more impact than Mata on the RW
Malcolm is a 20y/o wonderkid and Mahrez PL proven are far better attainable options
Moura work rate is average at best and he was on the bench more often than not, for him to get his fitness back will make this signing pointless and of course he can't play in UCL
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Are you sure about the CL? He has not played in the comp but has been an unused sub. Still haven't worked out whether he is cuptied or not.
 
Castles says that Mourinho is interested.
 
HakeemTheDreamOlajuwon said:
Bad signing for me, he's decent but he won't make more impact than Mata on the RW
Malcolm is a 20y/o wonderkid and Mahrez PL proven are far better attainable options
Moura work rate is average at best and he was on the bench more often than not, for him to get his fitness back will make this signing pointless and of course he can't play in UCL
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Very confident that Lucas would have a much bigger and better impact than Mata on the RW, weird to see anyone think different.

I like how Malcolm is now in the wondered bracket suddenly.
 
Raees said:
It was a rhetorical question. I'm arguing that we need make the club more attractive to big stars, skilful players. Right now, with a guy like Jose in charge, our drab football and the vibe we give off as a club that doesn't really have its shit sorted out.. its not a particularly attractive set up which means we are having to overcompensate with massive fees/wages to get players through the door. We need to win the hearts and minds of these players, not just entice them with money.
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There is only two ways to achieve that

a- we spend ridiculous amount of money on fees and salary. Which we tend to do but we'll never be able to go toe to toe against Shitty and PSG
b- we start winning serious trophies and that means CLs and EPLs not the mickey mouse cups like UEFA cup, FA cup etc

Apart from that, we're stuck back to the buying bargains/players who are off the radar in the hope we can sort them up. SAF did that magnificently up until he allowed sentimentality and outdated valors clouding what is important ie build a great side which will dominate the EPL for years to come

In my opinion, United's biggest problem is that we try to reinvent the wheel. Instead of opting for wingers who are filled with trickery and pace we opted for either slow pokes (Mata, Mkhitaryan) or talentless players (Lingard, Young etc). Since these sort of players will never do well with United in that position we're resorting to playing strikers with pace on the flanks instead (Rashford and Martial). That's silly. If we had Salah and Mane on the flanks (who are neither Messi nor Ronaldo) we would be seriously competing for the title.

That's flawed attitude is not reserved only for the flanks. I've yet to understand why

a- we bought the likes of Darmian (he's useless), Blind (too frail in CM, too slow as full back, too short as CB) and Rojo (where should I start on that one?)

b- our only cover for Matic is a former player in all but name (we might as well brought Robson out of retirement)?

c- we kept Ibra for another year after the terrible injury he suffered?

Our team is beyond the hilarious with our best full backs being wingers, our best wingers being strikers and our second best DM being a box to box midfielder. God what I would give for a young heartless SAF who would shake the team around, remove any scrap of sentimentality from OT, bring us back to our basics and kick those who aren't good enough out of OT.
 
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What do you think about him @JPRouve ?
 
Some fans are extremely demanding 'I only want a United Quality player: someone like Messi' as if there is a lot of opportunities in winter.

Not a shame to be a 3rd choice behind M'bappé and Di Maria.

When I look at your squad, it's clear you need a player like him: a relatively pacy winger with good technical skills. Still young (25 years) but experienced. A fresh player.

Players like Martial and Rashford are not pure wingers.
 
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