devilish
Juventus fan who used to support United
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Mourinho's obsession with Shaw is wierd. Surely he cannot blame the guy for his failure at United
van Gaal wasn't being malicious but I think he could've handled it better. There was no need to tell the press that Shaw was overweight. He was an 18 year old that was just bought for £30M and clearly he wasn't the most confident lad. He struggled in his first season due to a lack of confidence but he looked amazing at the start of van Gaal's second season before the horrific leg break. I can't even imagine what was going through Shaw's mind when he broke his leg. He probably thought there was a good chance his career was over. He finally recovers and returns to a manager that can't stand him and treats him like shit for no reason and people wonder why he's responding to Mourinho who is still taking digs.More a case that Van Gaal called him fat and Mourinho called him thick.
There clearly has been an issue in the past with Shaw, which has changed as he's matured. The difference was that Van Gaal was just being typically forthright and there was never anything personal or malicious about it, and he dealt with it by putting him on a fitness programme, whereas Mourinho (also typically) set out to undermine him. I don't know if he thinks it's just " tough love", but it's certainly dinosaur management tactics from the days of Brian Clough.
Absolutely. Shaw has kept his mouth shut throughout.Mourinho tried to marginalise Shaw and essentially ruin his career, I think he's more than allowed to defend himself publicly if he wants.
The comments Jose used to come out with were frankly pathetic - the one about him defending for him mentally was such a piss take.
LVG was just honest - I think players respected him because he didn't use press conferences like Mou did (to basically deflect from his own failings and put pressure on individual players) and nothing he said was really that crazy. Ask LVG any question and you'll get an unfiltered reply. Mou is the opposite, he's very calculated and agenda driven which you can get away with when you're winning things but now just makes him look bitter.van Gaal wasn't being malicious but I think he could've handled it better. There was no need to tell the press that Shaw was overweight. He was an 18 year old that was just bought for £30M and clearly he wasn't the most confident lad. He struggled in his first season due to a lack of confidence but he looked amazing at the start of van Gaal's second season before the horrific leg break. I can't even imagine what was going through Shaw's mind when he broke his leg. He probably thought there was a good chance his career was over. He finally recovers and returns to a manager that can't stand him and treats him like shit for no reason and people wonder why he's responding to Mourinho who is still taking digs.
100%. Guys like Mourinho get away with it as "character and mentality building" when all he does is gas 2/3 players up and destroy the rest. No wonder he can't last more than 2 seasons anywhere he goes.Absolutely. Shaw has kept his mouth shut throughout.
He’s a bully and one thing a bully needs is calling out. His job was to manage players not push them about, publicly embarrass them whilst trying to ruin their career.
You can just tell he’s thought to himself ‘Shaw seems a quiet lad, coming off the back of a real bad injury, I’ll pick on him.’
I hate people like that. It goes hand in hand with somebody who has an ego the size of his that needs constant massaging.
See I wasted three posts to talk about Jose who talked shit on talksports. I won't get those posts again for today.No, Jose always doesn't win. Luckily most of the journalists sees what a bitter man he is.
It's one thing to be crying for him to be our manager before it happened, but to still be somewhat worshipping and defending him after the mess he left us in? Bizarre folk.The people who were crying for Mourinho to be our manager just screams a different type of fan to me.
Just pure toxicity for a bit of success.
Na, nobody had Chillwell starting while every football fan was calling Shaw the best FB in the country.Seems a bit of a mountain made out of a molehill to me. He said his corners were bad, which England's set pieces have been as a whole. Didn't he also say he played well?
He picked Chilwell before the tournament but to be fair if you asked 50 people their pre tournament lineup you'd have pretty split opinions on that left back role.
No problem with Shaw biting back at all, just don't think what Jose came out with was particularly noteworthy on this occasion.
Yeah in my opinion because his rep is tarnished, he feels even more inclined to go into the dressing room and pick the ones he needs to keep happy and destroy the rest like you say. To make an impression and command some respect that his super-size ego knows has taken a bashing.100%. Guys like Mourinho get away with it as "character and mentality building" when all he does is gas 2/3 players up and destroy the rest. No wonder he can't last more than 2 seasons anywhere he goes.
I think the picture has become pretty clear now just how toxic the dressing room must have felt.
Ndombele and Alli were the ones at Tottenham, Son and Kane the untouchables. It might work in the short term but the moment he loses momentum he's a dead man walking.Yeah in my opinion because his rep is tarnished, he feels even more inclined to go into the dressing room and pick the ones he needs to keep happy and destroy the rest like you say. To make an impression and command some respect that his super-size ego knows has taken a bashing.
I also think he chooses a few to pick on, to make an example of. He's a complete liability for clubs now imo, the amount of upset he causes before invariably leaving is really damaging for clubs who don't have the cash to dust themselves down and go again (so to speak) relatively quickly after he leaves.
I get that what Jose said this time, in isolation, doesn't necessarily warrant the response but if you keep poking then you will get a bite back eventually.Seems a bit of a mountain made out of a molehill to me. He said his corners were bad, which England's set pieces have been as a whole. Didn't he also say he played well?
He picked Chilwell before the tournament but to be fair if you asked 50 people their pre tournament lineup you'd have pretty split opinions on that left back role.
No problem with Shaw biting back at all, just don't think what Jose came out with was particularly noteworthy on this occasion.
The words Mou used for his corners was "dramatically bad". And that's what is the issue. I think Agbonlahor said it on Talksport today and I agree with him here - if you want to criticize the corners, you can simply say "corners weren't that good" or "Corners should have been better". Adding that adverb just shows that you have some sort of an agenda there.Seems a bit of a mountain made out of a molehill to me. He said his corners were bad, which England's set pieces have been as a whole. Didn't he also say he played well?
He picked Chilwell before the tournament but to be fair if you asked 50 people their pre tournament lineup you'd have pretty split opinions on that left back role.
No problem with Shaw biting back at all, just don't think what Jose came out with was particularly noteworthy on this occasion.
A chance to remain relevant.Jose's rubbing his hands over this.
I just don't think the terminology is all that different to what many pundits or fans would use in degree, except for the awkward use of the English language. Extremely bad, very bad, dramatically bad, or simply terrible. I think if it was totally agenda driven he wouldn't have said he played well as Shaw has been largely good but not exceptional.The words Mou used for his corners was "dramatically bad". And that's what is the issue. I think Agbonlahor said it on Talksport today and I agree with him here - if you want to criticize the corners, you can simply say "corners weren't that good" or "Corners should have been better". Adding that adverb just shows that you have some sort of an agenda there.
Pre-tournament as well - saying Chillwell is your preferred starter is one thing, but its completely different from "Chillwell starts, and I dont want to think twice here" or something. He can simply say "Chilwell would be the better pick" or "I rate Chillwell higher" or whatever. You don't need to shit on a player to make your point
That must have seriously hurt his ego.Binned before a cup final too.
When commentators do it, they do it for every player on a consistent basis and hence gets overlooked. What I mean is if a pundit is pointing at flaws of a player after every game, despite the player having been among the better players, I'd brand that as agenda as well.I just don't think the terminology is all that different to what many pundits or fans would use in degree, except for the awkward use of the English language. Extremely bad, very bad, dramatically bad, or simply terrible. I think if it was totally agenda driven he wouldn't have said he played well as Shaw has been largely good but not exceptional.
Possibly there was more of a point with the Chilwell thing if that's what he said because he didn't state the justification in such terms for every position. That was probably something to get upset about more than this description of the corners. But yes, ultimately it's all about the context I suppose, it just all seems much ado about nothing to me. The real damage was how he handled the player when he was here.
Oh without a doubt.That must have seriously hurt his ego.
Flashback to the few hours after his removal his **** following spent claiming he was sacked because he refused to take training due to the ESL.Binned before a cup final too.
It's not always about trophies and to compare a young player with a long-time coach is pretty silly.The only trophies Shaw has won in his career were under Jose so he should at least be grateful for that. He speaks as though Jose was only bad for his career but in fact, if he looks inside his trophy cabinet, he can thank Jose for those, not Ole.
Oh yeah, that was pure bs to make him look good.Flashback to the few hours after his removal his **** following spent claiming he was sacked because he refused to take training due to the ESL.
Best thing Levy has ever doneBinned before a cup final too.
More than half of the caf then.The people who were crying for Mourinho to be our manager just screams a different type of fan to me.
Just pure toxicity for a bit of success.
Without question, I'm on Shaw's side on this. He was lucky the leg break didn't end his career. Van Gaal was never exactly tactful, but Mourinho's behaviour towards him has been quite insidious.van Gaal wasn't being malicious but I think he could've handled it better. There was no need to tell the press that Shaw was overweight. He was an 18 year old that was just bought for £30M and clearly he wasn't the most confident lad. He struggled in his first season due to a lack of confidence but he looked amazing at the start of van Gaal's second season before the horrific leg break. I can't even imagine what was going through Shaw's mind when he broke his leg. He probably thought there was a good chance his career was over. He finally recovers and returns to a manager that can't stand him and treats him like shit for no reason and people wonder why he's responding to Mourinho who is still taking digs.
Wasn't there another manager or someone else connected with him who also commented on his weight other than LVG and Jose? There were rumors that his lifestyle at that time wasn't great and given the serious nature of his injury he was probably depressed as hell for a long time. Jose must have been the worst manager for him at that period..Without question, I'm on Shaw's side on this. He was lucky the leg break didn't end his career. Van Gaal was never exactly tactful, but Mourinho's behaviour towards him has been quite insidious.
Before injury Poch and think maybe Hodgson commented. The rumours were he let himself go living like a student inviting his mates up from down south to hang out etcWasn't there another manager or someone else connected with him who also commented on his weight other than LVG and Jose? There were rumors that his lifestyle at that time wasn't great and given the serious nature of his injury he was probably depressed as hell for a long time. Jose must have been the worst manager for him at that period..
This has been turned into a United-hating forum for quite a while now.How any of you are defending mourinho is ridiculous. He very regularly says stuff about Shaw and made some recent comments about him. Why do people have to be so dense.
Shaw is well within his rights to finally tell Jose about himself