He wouldn't of suited this game firstly with the ref, and secondly he gives up possession far too easily.
The subs were spot on and we won the game with them.
LvG's substitutions
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The subs were spot on and we won the game with them.
There was a good 15 minute (at least) period where we couldn't keep the ball and get it out of our half!
I'm not saying specifically for this game - just in future... I think situations like this is where Fellaini is at his most useful. We couldn't get out and DDG kept playing it long to Martial who couldn't hold it up, Fellaini would have helped in that regard.
Schweinsteiger has barely played 90 minutes for us thus far. Why such a shock that he went off?
Valencia was horrible. Completely he right move.
Hardly the calamity that people are suggesting. Of course they are going to dominate the last period as thry were going for it.
Valencia was horrible. Completely he right move.
Hardly the calamity that people are suggesting. Of course they are going to dominate the last period as thry were going for it.
True, made even weirder by the fact that Schurlle played on the right when he came on.
Fellaini is great as an outlet when they're pressing us.The problem was that they weren't pressing, we were simply giving it away. Fellaini is good to lump the ball too if youre looking for space, not to hold the ball.
I think putting Pereira in this type of match will be more helpful in his development rather than putting him against a team like Sunderland where he'll find things very easy. No problem with him putting Pereira in the starting lineup and the lad did well(atleast defensively).
With that ref, schweini would have been sent off for running on the pitch maybe had he not been subbed. 20 mins of pressure here is a gamble to get him available for the next CL game
Second guessing LvG's subs is a futile effort. He sees a different game than the majority.
I think taking off Schweini was needed. The referee was acting like an idiot and trying his best to support the underdog team.
Young is not a natural full back, and Darmien ended up against Draxler and Schurle, think Young would of been destroyed if he was defending against those two.
Schwein was blowing out his ass, and i don't think saw anything of him the 10 mins before the sub. Plus we were trying to see out the game so putting another center back in and putting DM in midfielder was meant to help shore us up. Didn't work that well as they kept coming at us, but probably better than Bastien fading even further.
Pereira was confusing, but he's played well when he's come on, albeit against lesser teams. Depay was not doing anything on that left, and Young was already at right back.
The subs didn't change the game, the goal did. The players reacted like the work was done, let's have a rest now and become indecisive and forget about keeping possession.
Jones was used for the extra height. But he also made some decent defensive ckearekces.Valencia injured, but wolfsburgs biggest threat was down darmains side, can't put young there. You could tell young can't defend he just hoofed it like a school boy.
Depay was being wasteful. We just didn't have better options on the bench.
Depay was being wasteful. We just didn't have better options on the bench.
I liked the subs. Schweiny was done after doing his utmost for 70 mins. Valencia was awful, I was glad LVG was so proactive in subbing him. Memphis wasn't great and he's played a lot of minutes, needed a rest. We had to balance this game versus staying somewhat fresh for Sunday. LVG did it in a way that still let us get a CL result (unlike Wenger).
Spot on. LVG got his subs correct
Spot on. LVG got his subs correct
See I know Schweinsteiger was starting to tire I just thought bringing on Jones was not going to sure things up. We got the result in the end but we lost complete control when Schweinsteiger was taken off.
Plus if Carrick was being rested for the weekend and not actually injured then Schweinsteiger could have started on the bench against Arsenal?
I know Memphis was hit and miss last night but at the time he came off he was having a real influence on the game. We've got to realise that the way Memphis plays he will give the ball away a lot. I remember Ronaldo used to do the same. Thing is they give the ball away lots and then conjure up a moment of magic.
Pereira came on and really wasn't able to have an influence because we lost control of the game.
Plus if Carrick was being rested for the weekend and not actually injured then Schweinsteiger could have started on the bench against Arsenal?
I know Memphis was hit and miss last night but at the time he came off he was having a real influence on the game. We've got to realise that the way Memphis plays he will give the ball away a lot. I remember Ronaldo used to do the same. Thing is they give the ball away lots and then conjure up a moment of magic.
Pereira came on and really wasn't able to have an influence because we lost control of the game.
Again with the baffling subs. Unless Blind or Darmian were injured I saw no reason to take them off. Pereira should have come on for Mata instead of the confidence-shot Memohis, who added zilch.
His subs are exactly like your username
Very original.His subs are exactly like your username
There must be a name for this fetish somewhere on the dark-net;
'One who seeks a sick, gratuitous pleasure out of habitually and unnecessarily replacing full-backs between the 54th and 73rd minute.'
'Also synonymous with the expectation that goals come from the back 4 (or 3, or 5 depending on said individuals perverse mood in any given moment)'
'One who seeks a sick, gratuitous pleasure out of habitually and unnecessarily replacing full-backs between the 54th and 73rd minute.'
'Also synonymous with the expectation that goals come from the back 4 (or 3, or 5 depending on said individuals perverse mood in any given moment)'
Wasn't Darmian coming back from injury? Understandable if so. Blind got a knock I think, thus the Jones sub.
darmian was due to match fitness, blind was either a knock or to have jones pace to defend against the counter attack while we pushed late on.
In all games in general, not just yesterday.
Ah right, fair enough.
Taking off Mata for Memphis mad sense to me. Unfortanately, he couldnt affect the game when he come on.
As for the other two, Darmian looked tired. CBJ come on and provided some well needed energy. Give us an outlet on the left and put in a couple of good balls in the box.
Blind looked like he was injured, so Jones was the obvious choice to replace him.
As for the other two, Darmian looked tired. CBJ come on and provided some well needed energy. Give us an outlet on the left and put in a couple of good balls in the box.
Blind looked like he was injured, so Jones was the obvious choice to replace him.
Taking Mata off for Memphis made sense to me, it just didn't work out as Memphis didn't add anything.
Darmian has literally just came back from a hamstring injury & they said Blind was carrying a knock.
Darmian has literally just came back from a hamstring injury & they said Blind was carrying a knock.
Herrera off for Mata? Why? Yes, he looked knackered in the second half, but surely Fellaini was the one having a stinker, and Herrera was very dynamic in the first half?
Also, taking off Lingard when he missed a chance. No tactical purpose, just puts down his confidence. He did score one, and keeping him on after he'd missed one could have pushed him to do better the next time?
Why wasn't Darmian taken off for CBJ? Or Pereira brought on?
I don't remember LVG ever making a sub for us which actually turned things in our favour. It's always baffling decisions, and it's always left us in more trouble. He is hopeless with his subs.
Also, taking off Lingard when he missed a chance. No tactical purpose, just puts down his confidence. He did score one, and keeping him on after he'd missed one could have pushed him to do better the next time?
Why wasn't Darmian taken off for CBJ? Or Pereira brought on?
I don't remember LVG ever making a sub for us which actually turned things in our favour. It's always baffling decisions, and it's always left us in more trouble. He is hopeless with his subs.
Last paragraph. Memphis come on against Sheff Utd and won us a pen.
bump.
Cost us a point the latest LVG sub. I've been a big Carrick fan over the years but it's obvious he's finished at this level.
Having got some momentum via Lingard and Martial on the left, it was bizarre to make a defensive substitution which signalled to West Brom that we were going to settle and they should come at us if they wanted it. Van Gaal's caution again bites us in the backside.
So LVG makes a defensive minded substitution, everyone complains he's not going for it in the match day thread, we concede proving he was right to be defensive, and people still complain as if Herrera would have saved us from conceding?!
People need to realise not everything is the manager's fault.
People need to realise not everything is the manager's fault.
You can't blame the goal on him, but just statistically speaking over almost 2 years in charge you'd expect some examples of excellent tactical subs working out. Just by luck if nothing else.
He took out Herrera, who was plugging holes everywhere. He leaves on 35 year old Carrick. Van Gaal is an idiot. He really is. He's like that guy who tries fancy tricks playing footy trying to look good but everyone expects those tricks because that's all he does.
The reason why we've conceded is that we sat deeper and have kept a completely immobile player on the pitch(Carrick) that was being masked by Herrera's energy.
In what way did that substitution make us better defensively?
We literally lost all momentum we had with that sub
To get anything out of the game we have to attack now... with one less attacking player.
I disagree with you all. Mid match posters are a miserable bunch.