Depends if your talking national team or just overall.
Magic Neymar
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Brazilians declining early is such a lazy myth. Does Owen, Torres and Rooney have Brazilian grandparents or something.
Owen and Torres both suffered from recurring injuries and Rooney had been professional since 16 and only really fell off a cliff when he was 29/30, he's actually one of the worst examples you could've used considering he was a good player for about 12/13 years.
Romario ahead of Kaka. Also Ronaldo at number 1
How about spanish forwards being a bit shit when they are 30? David Villa was terrible after World Cup 2010. Torres obviously. What did Raul do in his later years at Real?
Why does those excuse not apply to Ronaldo, Adriano and Kaka? Ronaldo started at 16 as well. Both had injuries that derailed there career. Adriano lost his love of futbol once his father died and healed his pain with alcohol.
Ronaldinho and Robinho I can understand fizzling out early because of poor work ethic.
Excellent player but I can't stand him. Great technique, vision...he has it all to be a great player. But his childish, diva and prima donna attitude will ruin him. He'll never reach the full potential he has imo. Not talking about his dives.
His biggest mistake is that he believes he's already the best player in the world, or even in history.
For me, he isn't top 5 brazilian player:
Ronaldo, Pele, Romario, Ronaldinho, Socrates, Zico, Garrincha, Cafu, R. Carlos were better than him for me.
His biggest mistake is that he believes he's already the best player in the world, or even in history.
For me, he isn't top 5 brazilian player:
Ronaldo, Pele, Romario, Ronaldinho, Socrates, Zico, Garrincha, Cafu, R. Carlos were better than him for me.
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Nah, I disagree.
I am aware of the notion, but from the way the poster worded it would appear there were physiological reasons for these developments.
Aside from one mazy run, he was absolute shite last night. Just looks like he can't be arsed all the time, like he's too good to even share the pitch with the other 21 players. He went to PSG to be the main man, with Mbappe being a Parisian, leading France to a World Cup & having an arguably even higher potential ceiling than Neymar, he won't be the main man there for much longer. I wouldn't be surprised if he fecked off soon. Madrid have a "superstar" spot open right now, can see him going there.
Can't argue with his arguments either!classic. So Neymar logged onto the Caf for a post and left again!
Aye, short, sweet and to the point. He left little room for debate - especially with that ending - 'i'm sure we can all agree".Can't argue with his arguments either!
Remember when it was argued that the French league was so easy for him that it would dull his talents? We were then called EPL fanboys etc etc.
Mbappe could be in the same boat if he's not careful
Mbappe could be in the same boat if he's not careful
Shows the importance of mental attitude in football really.
Zlatan went there, knowing it was a step down from Barcelona but no one really questions him because he made himself THE player at that club. His performances and numbers speak for themselves and his attitude would never ever be questioned. He elevated the club in terms of profile and on pitch performance.
Neymar takes the same step down and is basically happy to take the money and only shows up when he fancies it. He's got more ability than Zlatan had, yet he's half the player for them.
Zlatan went there, knowing it was a step down from Barcelona but no one really questions him because he made himself THE player at that club. His performances and numbers speak for themselves and his attitude would never ever be questioned. He elevated the club in terms of profile and on pitch performance.
Neymar takes the same step down and is basically happy to take the money and only shows up when he fancies it. He's got more ability than Zlatan had, yet he's half the player for them.
Don't agree for a second that Neymar has more ability than Zlatan.
I'd have Zlatan at his peak over peak Neymar without question.
I would have Zlatan as well for the overall package. I just think Neymar has the edge on technical ability, albeit not by much. If he had Zlatan's mentality I think he could just about surpass him.
He probably never will though.
You forgot Romario
What did Zlatan do at PSG that Neymar hasn’t? Neymar stats are better if you count assists, Zlatan didn’t show up in Europe and Neymar still has a chance to. He got injured last CL and this year is still open, people are overreacting in the first game. Verratti will be back and their midfield will improve.
Today I learned that scoring 20 goals in 33 CL appearances "isn't showing up"
Amazing player, but lack of helping out last night was remarkable. He's easy to get fed up with as a neutral. I want to see great players work hard along with skill.
And Zlatan was 29 when he went to PSG .
He doesn't grasp that to be a truly top player you have to actually work hard and play for the team. He plays for himself and he'll go down ultimately as a disappointment, really don't think he has the mentality needed. Going to PSG was a huge indicator of that for me.
Production wise, Neymar has been as impressive as anyone in PSG.
People are confusing his World Cup with his PSG career. Actually, his broken foot might've changed everything from now on, but last season he was immense.
And that's fine for the most part, but he's got a long way to go to match Zlatan at PSG is the point. One injury-abbreviated season against an extremely poor Ligue 1 & a CL group do not an especially impressive resume make.
French?
Rivaldo over Kaka for me. In his day, absolutely incredible
Incredible to think that in the summer of 2004 he was all set to sign for Celtic but baulked at the idea that he needed to prove himself to Martin O' Neill on Celtic's pre-season tour.
Neymars attitude will forever hold him back when compared to Messi and Ronaldo.
He just seems too interested to show boat and piss around. He takes far too many touches and plays like he's doing his team mates a favour by being out there.
He's one of the best players of this generation but he could be so much more, given his talent
He just seems too interested to show boat and piss around. He takes far too many touches and plays like he's doing his team mates a favour by being out there.
He's one of the best players of this generation but he could be so much more, given his talent
i totally forgot about this!
What exactly did Zlatan do at PSG that Neymar has a long way to match? He never set the CL alight for them and had many tries. Just won ligue 1 a bunch of times like they continued doing without him anyway. Are people really overrating Zlatan to belittle Neymar? Zlatan never truly performed in the CL (Europe’s premier competition). Neymar has already had better campaigns than him in that competition. Like 14/15 & 16/17 and he’s far from done.
Exactly. Imagine if a player like Fellaini had his ability
What's funny is that Neymar left Barcelona to escape from Messi's shadow only to find himself in the shadow of Mbappe. Life's great!
They were looking for a big name to soften the blow of Larsson leaving for Barcelona, but when they asked him to go on trial he said thanks, but no thanks.
Zlatan was doing it in an equally bad Ligue 1 and mostly in group stages, as his PSG side was being stopped at round of 16 constantly.
He is fit to play but the feeling Neymar 2017 was much more frisky in terms of execution speed.
Also, since his return last summer, it seems he is no longer interested in providing width and wants to play as a #10 but it isn't is best role.
Neymar wouldn't be in my top 4. Too hard to choose after Ronaldo to be honest but to that list I would add cafu Carlos Romario. Neymar plays for himself, not his country and for that reason i don't think he even comes close to pele Ronaldo Ronaldinho and co. He may end up with more goals but 3 goals against a weaker team means nothing. The other guys won world cups! Top 10 at stretch for me.
Multiple reports today, including reporter who broke his transfer to PSG, that he wants out of PSG ; possibly to Barca again.
But he's available, and hopefully Woody at least tries to go for it.
But he's available, and hopefully Woody at least tries to go for it.
We are in no position to refuse a player of his quality however I doubt we would be his long term plan, along with the antics and circus he brings with him I'm really skeptical.