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Cider in disguise?Yeah I follow that guy too, he mentioned it the other day I think.
Cider in disguise?Yeah I follow that guy too, he mentioned it the other day I think.
Haha don't know what that means so erm no??Cider in disguise?
It's ON! Reus is waiting for Klopp to be offered a contract with United.http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2014/04/29/4783130/reus-silent-on-new-contract
Goal but quoting Bild.
Basically Reus not discussing whether he has been offered a new contract at Dortmund.
I'm pretty sure the only person I have heard that Moura rumour from is @Corrienationstr on twitter, who funnily enough thinks we have Reus in the bag too.
Yeah that guy is an absolute tool. Every day itsYeah I follow that guy too, he mentioned it the other day I think.
I dont really pay much attention to it. Sometimes there's the odd interesting comment.Yeah that guy is an absolute tool. Every day its
'EXCLUSIVE. united bid 30m for reus/kroos/some other feckwit. This is CONFIRMED by my source'.
Oh, wow, j thought it was bullshit before you said it was CONFIRMED
We should have a thread dedicated to that guy.
Its an absolute car wreck of an account but bloody funny to laugh at.
But to be honest only Lewa out of the four mentioned left because they were 'frustrated'. Kagawa moved because he boyhood club came calling. Sahin, well if Madrid come calling then not many players reject them. Götze left for more money and wanting to win everything NOW. Lewa is just sort of a dick.The problem I see with Dortmund and their players is frustration.
In the past few seasons Kagawa, Sahin, Gotze and Lewandowski have all left (may be others also), and they are just falling further and further away from Bayern.
As a footballer, you must think about leaving. Finishing second in most leagues is great, but being so far behind, and seeing them getting better (Lewandowski so far), must doubt you'd win much
That is all true, but as more and more leave, it's going to make others want to leave.But to be honest only Lewa out of the four mentioned left because they were 'frustrated'. Kagawa moved because he boyhood club came calling. Sahin, well if Madrid come calling then not many players reject them. Götze left for more money and wanting to win everything NOW. Lewa is just sort of a dick.
Not every one is going to leave for the money. For Hummels and Reus Dortmund is the club that brought them in and gave them a chance to play. Like Totti and Del Piero (until last year). They are players who stay with the club no matter until the club themselves force them out. So who knows, maybe Hummels and Reus could be like Totti and Del Piero.That is all true, but as more and more leave, it's going to make others want to leave.
For the likes of Hummels and Reus, whats the point in staying at a club that are just falling further behind each year
I really wouldn't rule out either going tbh. They could more than quadruple their wages at almost any other club of the same level and they've already seen Götze, Lewandowski, Kagawa (and Sahin) make the same choice themselves.Not every one is going to leave for the money. For Hummels and Reus Dortmund is the club that brought them in and gave them a chance to play. Like Totti and Del Piero (until last year). They are players who stay with the club no matter until the club themselves force them out. So who knows, maybe Hummels and Reus could be like Totti and Del Piero.
That is quadruple compared to his current wage though right? Not quadruple compared to the recent contract Dortmund have reportedly just offered him. Even if the reported figure isn't accurate, it's pretty certain they will be prepared to offer him substantially more to keep him. If they don't it sends out a clear sign that they can't and/or aren't prepared to financially compete with the best teams in Europe.I really wouldn't rule out either going tbh. They could more than quadruple their wages at almost any other club of the same level and they've already seen Götze, Lewandowski, Kagawa and Sahin make the same choice themselves.
What are you talking about? Our team has gotten stronger every season under Klopp, despite losing a key player every year and it is extremely likely that we will come out stronger of this Summer aswell. We managed to play Real Madrid out of the park without six starters. Six. The end result of this season (QF CL, 2nd Buli, Finalist Cup) would have never happened with any of our former squads. The squad of last season would have struggled immensively with the amount of our injuries. The title winning squads of 2010/2011 and 2011/2012? Absolutely no chance.That is all true, but as more and more leave, it's going to make others want to leave.
For the likes of Hummels and Reus, whats the point in staying at a club that are just falling further behind each year
If we would have even a fraction of the luck we had against Malaga in this years QF, we would have knocked Madrid out. Up until that stage this seasons performance was actually more impressive because we did it under far worse circumstances. We lost the league in November+December, when we played several games without our complete first choice defensive formation (whole backline and CM), losing out most effective tool pressing. Such a concentrated injury crisis is not that likely to repeat every season. Up until we lost Hummels, Subotic and Schmelzer in a matter of a week, we were neck to neck with Bayern in the Bundesliga. The biggest difference to Bayern is depth, but this is exactly where we have and still will improve in the next years. In a direct confrontation we are still one of the biggest threats to them in the world.@Sphaero
I haven't followed Dortmund much this season, but here are two things.
1. Didn't go as far in the CL
2. 20 points behind Bayern (Could have been more, but been resting players over the last few matches if I'm not mistake)
I am not saying you are a bad team, far from it, but you are so far off Bayern in terms of quality, you won't win the league for the next few seasons at least
I didn't know about the extent of the injuries. As I said, I am not saying you are a bad team, because you have quite a lot of very good players.If we would have even a fraction of the luck we had against Malaga in this years QF, we would have knocked Madrid out. Up until that stage this seasons performance was actually more impressive because we did it under far worse circumstances. We lost the league in November+December, when we played several games without our complete first choice defensive formation (whole backline and CM), losing out most effective tool pressing. Such a concentrated injury crisis is not that likely to repeat every season. Up until we lost Hummels, Subotic and Schmelzer in a matter of a week, we were neck to neck with Bayern in the Bundesliga. The biggest difference to Bayern is depth, but this is exactly where we have and still will improve in the next years. In a direct confrontation we are still one of the biggest threats to them in the world.
To think we're in some kind of transfer limbo is laughable. Your not talking about Everton, Newcastle or even Arsenal. Your talking about Manchester fecking United.
We took Mata from Chelsea when Mourinho said himself "we'd rather sell him to west Brom for 50p than United for 50m" we took RVP from Arsenal when it was considered "impossible" Arsenal would never sell their best player to a rival. We got Kagawa from Dortmund after he had won best player in Bundesliga two years in a row and was considered a vital, integral cog to the Dortmund set up.
Don't spout utter bollocks and say we can't sign Vidal, Kroos, Reus, players of this ilk when in actual fact time, time, time again we sign top players BEST PLAYERS from accross the continent.
Mata-Chelsea best player
RVP- Arsenal best player
Kagawa- Bundesliga best player
Chicha-Mexican best player
Henriquez-Chile player of the year.
Smalling- Fulham best CB
Jones- Blackburn best CB
Rooney-Everton promising young CF
Rio-Leeds best CB
Valencia- touted as the best winger in the world by pep.
Just shut up about this utter non-sense that United can't sign the best players when that's all we've done. It's baseless and embarassing.
We will sign a second striker, that is certain, either a highly rated talent (e.g. Drmic) or a more established one (e.g. Immobile). We won´t be able to replace Lewandowski one to one, but we will seriously upgrade our second option. That is also the only part of the team, where we may lose quality. We get another offensive option in the midfield with Ji, who is exactly out the mould of players Klopp wants, similar to the relatively unknown Serbian Milos Jojic, who has himself already introduced very nicely since joining us in the Winter. We are also close in finalizing a deal with Germany´s most promising CB Matthias Ginter, who can also play DM giving us enourmous depth in both positions. Then there are talents like Durm, Hofmann and Ducksch, who are far from reaching their limit.I didn't know about the extent of the injuries. As I said, I am not saying you are a bad team, because you have quite a lot of very good players.
The problem is, like last season, you lose one of your best players, to a team who are considerably better than you.
You lose Lewa for free, and are bringing in Ramos, who from all accounts has had a good season, but he is nothing on Lewa, so it just feels like they are pulling away more
No way he will be allowed to leave. Lewnadowski is already going and Dortmund have already said they won't let two key players go per season if they have any choice at all.@Sphaero
Out of curiosity, what is your opinion on Reus. Do you think he could leave Dortmund this season, and if so, what sort of fee do you think it would take?
Our currently best attacking player. Ideal player for our style. No chance of leaving this Summer, unless someone makes a crazy offer. If I would have to put up a figure: 65-70 Mil. €? Maybe more if the officials see a realistic chance in getting rid of the buy out clause. I don´t have much expectations for that, though, but then again I did not expect us to sign him at all or for Hummels to sign a five year contract without clause when Bayern and Barca came knocking in 2012.@Sphaero
Out of curiosity, what is your opinion on Reus. Do you think he could leave Dortmund this season, and if so, what sort of fee do you think it would take?
Interestingly I think Hummels seems like the player most loyal to Dortmund or at least Klopp. While a lot of the other players already had the possibility to leave in the near future in their mind when they signed improved contracts Hummels who was already a target of major clubs did not insist on a buyout clause.Our currently best attacking player. Ideal player for our style. No chance of leaving this Summer, unless someone makes a crazy offer. If I would have to put up a figure: 65-70 Mil. €? Maybe more if the officials see a realistic chance in getting rid of the buy out clause. I don´t have much expectations for that, though, but then again I did not expect us to sign him at all or for Hummels to sign a five year contract without clause when Bayern and Barca came knocking in 2012.
Hummels's latest interview was pretty telling in my opinion. I don't see him leaving in the foreseeable future.Interestingly I think Hummels seems like the player most loyal to Dortmund or at least Klopp. While a lot of the other players already had the possibility to leave in the near future in their mind when they signed improved contracts Hummels who was already a target of major clubs did not insist on a buyout clause.
He also was the one player who seemed most shocked and disgruntled when it came out that Götze would leave Dortmund. I think he values what he has in Dortmund and Klopp very highly and I can only really see him leave when Klopp decides to move on as well. Well that is unless some team comes in with a ridicoulus offer in terms of wages and transfer fee for Dortmund.
Really? 60 Million? Wowza.Ed Woodward wants to sign a marquee player? This is the guy. He has everything we need. I wouldn't bat an eye at spending 50 or 60M on him.
The Kicker interview form monday? Haven't read that so far any idea if it's available online somewhere?Hummels's latest interview was pretty telling in my opinion. I don't see him leaving in the foreseeable future.
He is without a doubt the star player with the highest likelihood to stay long term or even his whole career at Dortmund. He was always very vocal about what he personally views as a successful career. He does not measure himself on the number of trophies, but his personal role in winning them. He knows his standing as one if not the most important player in the team. He is undisputed lead player and also probably knows, that he will wear the badge if he stays long enough. I think the acceptance in both character (he is eloquent, but also very direct) and play style (which is for example clearly restricted in the NT) from the team and Klopp is important for him. The idea of being one vital corner stone in the development of a potential top club is pretty exciting for him aswell.Hummels's latest interview was pretty telling in my opinion. I don't see him leaving in the foreseeable future.
I'm pretty sure he will be aware of the interest. No doubt about that.A move to a bigger club is inevitable for any young talent of the Reus mould.
Young players (forwards especially) know that thier brief careers are even more brief at the top level. If a player like Reus can be seen week in week out on the world stage it adjusts their value tobpotential clubs after their stint at the top. So of we offer quadruple his current wage by sheer common sense he will definitely take notice and Dortmund simply can not match our money.
Let's take it further, Dortmund are an incredible team but they will always be playingbsecond fiddle to Bayern because of cash flow. So how does their business grow to that level, how do they hope to compete. By buying and developing players for squad depth first and then adding the sparkle on top.
If we came in even with 35m Dortmund would listen. Why? Because despite the crazy prices in the prem that is a mountainous amount of cash in the Bundesliga. Gotze went for 35m to a direct rival just before a CL final, I mean if they'd do that release clause or not then any Dortmund player is negotiable apart from the loyalists like Hummels who don't seem to care so much about the cash. Although I'm sure he can be tempted.
When an elite level club comes in for you, you simply can't ignore it. Its the equivalent of signing for Real or Barca you simply take notice.
That is a bit of flawed analogy IMO. I think that this season with Atletico and Liverpool has taught us that it's possible to win things even without spendings bucket loads in the transfer market. Dortmund's revenues have already risen rapidly and selling their best players is not the way forward for them because it's short-termist and they'll lose marketing value in the long run. They are the 2nd biggest draw in Germany and as the Bundesliga gains more coverage their income will shoot northwards. If they can keep their core of Hummels, Reus, Gundogan, Bender, Subotic I see no reason why they can't go head to head with Bayern. This year was an amomoly for them as if their squad was decimated with injuries - their whole back 4 was missing at times. And Lewandowski leaving is not that big a deal for them. They still have Aubamayang who's a good striker. And who knows maybe they'll even buy the likes of Drmic and Ginter to boost their squad depth. They are not that far away from being an elite team as some might think - they have a massive stadium with the highest attendances in Europe, they make lots of profit, have probably one of the Top 3 coaches around and are signing new sponsorship deals. If they keep a hold of their best players I have no doubt they'll be one of the best teams in Europe for the long term.A move to a bigger club is inevitable for any young talent of the Reus mould.
Young players (forwards especially) know that thier brief careers are even more brief at the top level. If a player like Reus can be seen week in week out on the world stage it adjusts their value tobpotential clubs after their stint at the top. So of we offer quadruple his current wage by sheer common sense he will definitely take notice and Dortmund simply can not match our money.
Let's take it further, Dortmund are an incredible team but they will always be playingbsecond fiddle to Bayern because of cash flow. So how does their business grow to that level, how do they hope to compete. By buying and developing players for squad depth first and then adding the sparkle on top.
If we came in even with 35m Dortmund would listen. Why? Because despite the crazy prices in the prem that is a mountainous amount of cash in the Bundesliga. Gotze went for 35m to a direct rival just before a CL final, I mean if they'd do that release clause or not then any Dortmund player is negotiable apart from the loyalists like Hummels who don't seem to care so much about the cash. Although I'm sure he can be tempted.
When an elite level club comes in for you, you simply can't ignore it. Its the equivalent of signing for Real or Barca you simply take notice.
I agree it's an obscene amount of money but it's probably market value for a player of his quality in the current climate. If Marouanne Fellaini is worth 27.5M........Really? 60 Million? Wowza.
Yeah, and he went for that because a release clause was triggered. Dortmund had absolutely no say in that matter. None. If you think you can just show up and bid the fee of the release clause of 2015 for Reus, then you should check our transfer management in recent years. We gave up a considerable amount of cash to keep Lewandowski for one additional year, because the officials thought it was worth it (they were right with that). We denied a 50 Mil. € offer by Madrid instantly for Reus last Summer. You will have to offer a lot of money on top of the 35 Mil. € to make them even consider letting him go. Given Reus´ status as player and personality at Dortmund and the fact that they still hope to get rid of the release clause, we are talking a plus of maybe 30 Mil. € here. Wanna have a piece of him? Lay 60 Mil. € on the table and Zorc & Co. may consider entering negotations. We have no reason to sell, which is also why the likelihood of him transfering in this Summer are slim to none.A move to a bigger club is inevitable for any young talent of the Reus mould.
Young players (forwards especially) know that thier brief careers are even more brief at the top level. If a player like Reus can be seen week in week out on the world stage it adjusts their value tobpotential clubs after their stint at the top. So of we offer quadruple his current wage by sheer common sense he will definitely take notice and Dortmund simply can not match our money.
Let's take it further, Dortmund are an incredible team but they will always be playingbsecond fiddle to Bayern because of cash flow. So how does their business grow to that level, how do they hope to compete. By buying and developing players for squad depth first and then adding the sparkle on top.
If we came in even with 35m Dortmund would listen. Why? Because despite the crazy prices in the prem that is a mountainous amount of cash in the Bundesliga. Gotze went for 35m to a direct rival just before a CL final, I mean if they'd do that release clause or not then any Dortmund player is negotiable apart from the loyalists like Hummels who don't seem to care so much about the cash. Although I'm sure he can be tempted.
When an elite level club comes in for you, you simply can't ignore it. Its the equivalent of signing for Real or Barca you simply take notice.
I haven't seen it online so far, only read some bits and pieces only twitter. I'm off to bed now though as I've got an exam tomorrow morning, but I'll make sure to dig up those comments tomorrow and post them!The Kicker interview form monday? Haven't read that so far any idea if it's available online somewhere?
And it's something I admire very much, it's lost in football these days. Really hope he stays long-term with you. It doesn't seem like he can be swayed away by money so I'm willing to bet he'd be willing to stay long-term.He is without a doubt the star player with the highest likelihood to stay long term or even his whole career at Dortmund. He was always very vocal about what he personally views as a successful career. He does not measure himself on the number of trophies, but his personal role in winning them. He knows his standing as one if not the most important player in the team. He is undisputed lead player and also probably knows, that he will wear the badge if he stays long enough. I think the acceptance in both character (he is eloquent, but also very direct) and play style (which is for example clearly restricted in the NT) from the team and Klopp is important for him. The idea of being one vital corner stone in the development of a potential top club is pretty exciting for him aswell.