You don't get it. No one is saying both are bad players in general. Both are great on their day. The problem is you never know if this is their day or not which doesn't happen to any world class players at any big club that provide a consistent performance week in week out and their off days are numbered. Also both are absolutely terrible when it's their day off. Is there any big player that ranges between 2 and 8 without inbetween ? Big players have a consistent 6/7 performance with the occasional 8/9 while their 4/5 performance are numbered hence these teams challenge for the title.
You can get away with inconsistency in cups but to challenge for the league you need consistency in performance and no United player, including Pogba and Martial, has shown it these years and that's why are a top 4 team at best.
Pogba & Martial are the only reason we are 5th even, feckin hilarious we've folks saying get rid of both. We'd be scoring nothing in the vast majority of games and statistically in a relegation battle.
And was underwhelming in the other 2/3, point ?
Working his way back from injury? You do realize it takes a few games to build up match fitness levels again? To be performing at a highly consistent level you need to be playing consistently.
I've attached his games for Ole
Ole's 23 games managed & Martials involvement.
CARDIFF - Started (scored), HUD - Not involved, BOURN - Started (Assist), NEW - Started / Subbed Off, READ - UNUSED Sub, SPURS - Started, BRIGHTON - Started / Subbed Off, ARSENAL - Started (Scored), BURN - Not Involved, LEIC - Subbed On, FUL - Started (Scored & Assisted), PSG - Started, CHELSEA - Not Involved, LIV - Not Involved, CRYSTAL PALACE - Not Involved, SOUTHAMPTON - Not Involved, PSG - Not Involved, ARSENAL - Sub On, WOLV - Started, WATFORD - Started (Scored), WOLV - Subbed On, BARCA - Subbed On, WHU - Started.
So he's started & finished 9 matches, scoring 4 goals and set up 2 more goals. He's given the side 6 goals in 9 games whilst trying to build up fitness and form. That isn't performing for you?
Maybe, just maybe you need to look elsewhere to the likes of say Lingard? You know how often auld Jesse "Messi" Lingard is involved in a goal for us for Ole? Just the once since Dec vs Arsenal and feck me, Social Media was lit up for about a fortnight about it being his dance floor.
Meanwhile auld French Tony delivers at a far more consistent level and your in here giving him a hard time for doing so?
Martial is not the problem, he plays he delivers more often then not. You need be looking elsewhere at the likes of Lingard, Mata.
Them's the facts, he himself...is delivering.
As for Pogba, he's more goal involvement this season than Firmino and Kane! But we still get folks whinging saying they don't do enough. Before you say it too, Kane is Spurs penalty taker as well.
http://www.espnfc.com/player/181140/anthony-martial
You're giving example with Chelsea who are having a dogshite season so far, maybe even worse than us ? Great example that.
You said top side, Chelsea are in the traditional top 6 teams.
I gave you Alli at Spurs as well. Mahrez at City can't get playing time. Sane has a goal less in the league than Martial. Like I said, take your pick, all sides have attackers struggling for form for any number of reasons.
The harsh reality is Klopp and Pep would have never endured a static player with crap off ball movement and only moves with the ball in his feet. Martial would have never succeeded under both and you can look at how Liverpool and City trio run their socks off the entire game pressing and running even without the ball, completely different game from Martial's. They both want energetic players, not static one.
Not sure what the issue here is, I've already said I'd like to see more movement from him?
He has been underwhelming and not performing well for a long time now and many people see that hence this thread was created. Maybe there's a possiblity you're the only one who isn't seeing it ?
He's still giving us end product. I wouldn't put him in the underwhelming bracket myself. He's doing OK to good for a player dealing with niggling injuries.