NinjaZombie
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If he deemed the Payet penalty to be a non penalty, what's his reasoning for not giving him the second yellow for diving? I'm really interested to know.
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In real time it looks like Schweinsteiger gets knocked off balance by the defender and then hits the keeperIt was a dive but the replay also showed slight contact. Therefore the decision was marginal. We were lucky it wasn't a pen imo as many refs would have given it.
Blind clearly pulled his arm for the freekick
The Reid one obviously wasn't a pen. It bounced up off his leg.
Martial's goal shouldn't have stood. Sweinsteiger basically bodychecked the keeper into the net. He was also offside.
He made a great decision when Payet fouled Varela. It didn't look like a foul in real time.
I fecking despise Atkinson. I'll never forget the offside goal that handed Chelsea the league or the Portsmouth game to name just two examples. He's a terrible referee that's fecked us over on many occasions.
But today he obviously didn't. We benefited a lot more than West Ham
blackmailing his bosses just like our fraud Van Gaal.How does he manage to keep his job?
He wasn't offside when Randolph and Schweinsteiger came together though. It can only be offside when the ball is played forward by a United player. Schweinsteiger was onside when the cross went in (which went backwards anyway) and he ran towards the goal to attack it. He was ahead of the ball as Martial hooked it in, but the collision had already happened, and the collision happened because Ogbonna(?) blocked Schweinsteiger, which in turn took him in to Randolph.He's just blocked off the keeper, it is all the same play and he has affected it in an offside position. Randolph is now on the ground because of Schweinsteiger, making him involved in the play.
That's what I thought when I saw the replay. Howard Webb is really starting to grind my gears.In real time it looks like Schweinsteiger gets knocked off balance by the defender and then hits the keeper
Yep this morning him Savage Wilkins Ince were all saying Costa should only get 1 game and he didn't bite! Holly feck he head butted Cahill then went to bite him the fact he never carried through with it is irrelevant for me. The fact he initiated it is enough!That's what I thought when I saw the replay. Howard Webb is really starting to grind my gears.
Did we? Reid put in a two footer in the first minute and only got a yellow. Committed two fouls after that yellow, one of which stopped a meaningful attack, but didn't get a second. Carroll kicked out at Rashford which somehow went against us. Antonio went in with two feet in the 2nd half, I can't remember if it even got a booking. Payet should have had a 2nd yellow for the dive. I don't expect all of those to be given in one game, but that's 4 very possible red cards. I don't think we got off with anything close to that volume of decisions.It was a dive but the replay also showed slight contact. Therefore the decision was marginal. We were lucky it wasn't a pen imo as many refs would have given it.
Blind clearly pulled his arm for the freekick
The Reid one obviously wasn't a pen. It bounced up off his leg.
Martial's goal shouldn't have stood. Sweinsteiger basically bodychecked the keeper into the net. He was also offside.
He made a great decision when Payet fouled Varela. It didn't look like a foul in real time.
I fecking despise Atkinson. I'll never forget the offside goal that handed Chelsea the league or the Portsmouth game to name just two examples. He's a terrible referee that's fecked us over on many occasions.
But today he obviously didn't. We benefited a lot more than West Ham
I dont think he makes decisions based on whether it was a foul or not.That lingard foul that he didnt give, which lead to Fellainis booking.
The goal kick he gave to them when it was a corner.
The corner he gave when it came off the west ham player.
Im sure there was a 2 footed challenge as well
I dont think hes biased, I just think hes a shit ref that guesses every big decision. He just guesses and hopes. Im convinced ever since he gave Chelsea a goal against Spurs in the FA Cup when he just... guessed.
Hes doing really well to be worse than Mason, Marriner and Dean.
Remember that Sunderland vs. Arsenal game up at the Stadium of Light? Where a Sunderland striker (I think Altidore?) was going through on goal and was clearly getting pull backed by an Arsenal defender outside the area, but shrugged it off, faced up the keeper and scored... only for Atkinson to have not bothered allowing an advantage, having already whistled for the Free Kick... and then only booking said Arsenal defender and not sending him off for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity... despite Altidore going on to actually score a goal.I dont think hes biased, I just think hes a shit ref that guesses every big decision. He just guesses and hopes. Im convinced ever since he gave Chelsea a goal against Spurs in the FA Cup when he just... guessed.
Hes doing really well to be worse than Mason, Marriner and Dean.
Exactly. No chance Schweini could avoid the goalie. Their defender sent him there.In real time it looks like Schweinsteiger gets knocked off balance by the defender and then hits the keeper
Unfortunately with Atkinson, when that happens it is based on luck not judgement.He got a lot wrong and yet still engineered a fair result.
You'd have a point in saying he should be banned for headbutt but not for a bite as there wasn't any bite. He basically just gave Barry a hickey. Sorry but this isn't attempted murder. If you stop yourself from making a bad tackle should you be sent off for attempting it?the fact he never carried through with it is irrelevant for me. The fact he initiated it is enough!
I don't think he is offside. The goalkeeper and the West Ham player over the touch line would possibly be playing him on. It could be a grey area though.It was a dive but the replay also showed slight contact. Therefore the decision was marginal. We were lucky it wasn't a pen imo as many refs would have given it.
Blind clearly pulled his arm for the freekick
The Reid one obviously wasn't a pen. It bounced up off his leg.
Martial's goal shouldn't have stood. Sweinsteiger basically bodychecked the keeper into the net. He was also offside.
He made a great decision when Payet fouled Varela. It didn't look like a foul in real time.
I fecking despise Atkinson. I'll never forget the offside goal that handed Chelsea the league or the Portsmouth game to name just two examples. He's a terrible referee that's fecked us over on many occasions.
But today he obviously didn't. We benefited a lot more than West Ham
Then he added insult to injury by carding Fellaini for the slightest touch on someone's shirt seconds later.There was also that moment where Noble steemed in through the back of Lingard, which was about as clear a foul as you're likely to see, and he just waved it away... the clown.
Not to defend Atkinson, but to call either decision he has to be certain. I guess he wasn't certain either way, which I suppose is better than his usual guesses on big decisions. Thankfully he didn't guess, as I assume he'd just give the penalty.Anyone saying that is not a dive from Payet needs to give their head a wobble. Absolutely clear as day and gutless from Atkinson not to send him off. Its either a dive or its a pen - it cannot be neither.
I don't think they can give retrospective yellows, just straight reds.Will Payet get a retrospective 2nd yellow since the referee didn't make a decision either way?
Can retrospective action be taken on diving though? I remember that Eduardo vs Celtic case rumbling on for ages after it happened.I don't think they can give retrospective yellows, just straight reds.
It was a dive, no question about it. Benteke's wasn't, imo.You can't be totally certain Payet dives even from the vid - I've watched it a dozen times. I think he probably exaggerates, which is slightly different. It's not the full Benteke for me. And not a penalty either, cos that's doubtful** too. Suppose it must be one or other, though...
**judging that there maybe/probably not enough contact to bring him down
Good decision from Mr Twatkinson,
Must be, I'd forgot about that crazy situation.Can retrospective action be taken on diving though? I remember that Eduardo vs Celtic case rumbling on for ages after it happened.
Depends really how far you go imo. If you make a tackle but pull out but still impede the player or make contact then yes you will get punished. I had my 7 year old son asking why he bit him! What do I say no he never actually but him he stopped short? So that's alright? The intent was clear he should be banned accordingly and I would say the same if was any our players.You'd have a point in saying he should be banned for headbutt but not for a bite as there wasn't any bite. He basically just gave Barry a hickey. Sorry but this isn't attempted murder. If you stop yourself from making a bad tackle should you be sent off for attempting it?
You can be sent off/punished for throwing a punch that doesn't connect (pretty sure Scholes was at one point... game against Liverpool I think) so the same should apply for a bite in theory.Depends really how far you go imo. If you make a tackle but pull out but still impede the player or make contact then yes you will get punished. I had my 7 year old son asking why he bit him! What do I say no he never actually but him he stopped short? So that's alright? The intent was clear he should be banned accordingly and I would say the same if was any our players.
Sorry can't take you seriously after arguing for Benteke.It was a dive, no question about it. Benteke's wasn't, imo.
There was a few guesses during this game, a few clear corners when the ball came off defenders etc..Not to defend Atkinson, but to call either decision he has to be certain. I guess he wasn't certain either way, which I suppose is better than his usual guesses on big decisions. Thankfully he didn't guess, as I assume he'd just give the penalty.
To be fair, in real time I thought it was a nailed on penalty and I couldn't believe it wasn't given. The replay showed it was a clear dive, but Webb commented over the top of the replay that the referee got it wrong and it should have been a penalty, which is even more bizarre than Atkinson not calling it either way. There is no contact and Payet is going down before Rojo motions to put a foot in.
Will Payet get a retrospective 2nd yellow since the referee didn't make a decision either way?
Agree you can be sent off for intent and how anyone can say there was no intent to bite is beyond me!!You can be sent off/punished for throwing a punch that doesn't connect (pretty sure Scholes was at one point... game against Liverpool I think) so the same should apply for a bite in theory.
I suppose it's easier to identify when someone throws a punch mind you.
You don't have to take me seriously, it's a hard call and I've seen numerous United fans on here agreeing with me in the Matchday thread back then. You can't deny there's contact so that rules out a dive for me, that's just my opinion on it. Whether it was enough to take him down is another thing but it's plain stupid from the defender and absolutely not necessary. He might be pulling back as he slides in but he catches him on his foot.Sorry can't take you seriously after arguing for Benteke.
Much easier to realise that all footballers are cheats, just some are better at it than others, rather than fans trying to pretend everyone is dishonest apart from their players.
We have Ashley Young in our team ffs and I don't think anyone's defending him.
Not at all, look at the player who tried to block Herrera's cross, he's behind the goal line ffs. It's obviously not offside, and Schweinsteiger hit the keeper because of the body check. It has to stand - still, quite shocking that Atkinson let it stand when he had the chance to engineer a reason to disallow it.I don't think he is offside. The goalkeeper and the West Ham player over the touch line would possibly be playing him on. It could be a grey area though.