Just sayingThat makes feck all difference.
Just sayingThat makes feck all difference.
Your point was fictional. Which was pointed out to you. Nobody doubled down. Until you did, just there. Which is ironic.I make a point and instead of address it posters would rather double down - redcafe. Can't say I'm surprised you're one of them.
I posted on topic yesterday but don't let that stop you
Should you not put this in the other discussion?Having a second chance is not the same as having no consequences.
And he's still leading a very privileged life. That is a second chance. So we're all good on that count.
George Best lived in a time that tolerated violence against women, I'm glad that is changing, but as you say, to each their own.
I didn't bring him into the conversation.Should you not put this in the other discussion?
George Best has been dead for nearly 20 years, so unless someone knows something I don't, he has not been playing much football recently?
What were his stats from his first full season when he scored 18 goals? I think if you look at most of the players in 20/21 their stats wouldn't look good. However, that's not to say he is a creative winger, that's clearly not what he is and not what he is expected to become. He was/is the best finisher in the club and therefore the tactical goal should be to always prioritise getting him into goalscoring opportunities. I think it worked very well with Martial as he would drop deeper and allow the likes of Rashford and greenwood to get into those attacking spaces. To have a player like Mason with his finishing ability and utilise him or try to turn him into a standard winger would be insane. If for example we had both Rashford and Greenwood in the team and had to force one to be the creative I would choose Rashford simply as Greenwood is the better finisher.He is a technically very good player, I'm saying he didn't show creativity in his passing or dribbling on the pitch. His passing was always safe, his dribbling was safe and to keep possession... The only thing he did to a high level compared to others was get shots off.
These were his metrics in 20/21 compared to wingers:
It basically just shows that aside from his shooting, he wasn't doing much. When he gets the ball in the attacking third, he'll run with it into the box and get a good shot off. That's his elite trait. He didn't really have anything else to his game that he did on a pitch beyond just being neat and tidy (not a problem, just he wasn't a winger... He was a poacher who played wide basically).
- Key passes - 8th percentile
- Expected assists - 39th percentile
- Passes into final 3rd - 13th percentile
- Passes into box - 40th
- Crosses into box - 42nd
- Progressive passes - 26th
- Take ons attempted - 54th percentile (57th for successful percentage percentile)
- Progressive carries - 63rd
- Carries into box - 77th (good)
- Shots total - 92nd
- Non pen xg - 79th
Garnacho on the other hand plays like much more of a winger, carrying the ball, getting at players constantly, and it's reflected in the data being in the high 90s for these things.
I haven’t heard voice recordings of those footballers, though. I’m sure if I did I’d feel the same.I think that many footballers would fall under that category.
This should be in the other discussion. Besides, because there is a recording or a part of a larger recording, does not make it right or completely contextualise the entire situation, towards one case.I haven’t heard voice recordings of those footballers, though. I’m sure if I did I’d feel the same.
20/21 was a good season, we were 2nd. It was his 2nd full season. 21/22 was the shit one where he got arrested half way through so I ignored that.What were his stats from his first full season when he scored 18 goals? I think if you look at most of the players in 20/21 their stats wouldn't look good. However, that's not to say he is a creative winger, that's clearly not what he is and not what he is expected to become. He was/is the best finisher in the club and therefore the tactical goal should be to always prioritise getting him into goalscoring opportunities. I think it worked very well with Martial as he would drop deeper and allow the likes of Rashford and greenwood to get into those attacking spaces. To have a player like Mason with his finishing ability and utilise him or try to turn him into a standard winger would be insane. If for example we had both Rashford and Greenwood in the team and had to force one to be the creative I would choose Rashford simply as Greenwood is the better finisher.
Ah okay. Yeah makes sense then. I think the context is key with these things, he was what 18/19 or 19/20 in that season, second full season. It made sense he would struggle a bit. Also to put it into context what he was doing and showed in his first full season was not the norm for a 18 yo, it was not a good full debut season, it was a season a generational player would have.20/21 was a good season, we were 2nd. It was his 2nd full season. 21/22 was the shit one where he got arrested half way through so I ignored that.
19/20 he was still so young during, so his metrics understandably would be not the best (kids take a while to get properly involved). And that's what it showed, a young player who gets a lot of shots off and finishes way above his xG, but other than that did pretty much nothing else in the games.
I haven't watched him for Getafe at all but what I remember of his last half season (without trying to be harsh on him in particular as I don't think anybody could have excelled in that team) was a player who was turning selfish but if anything, not really pushing on and looking more boring/predictable and average as a talent compared to the generational talent he looked at first. Partially due to the team, partially due to me really thinking he's just not a wide player. So if he's still looking like that, then it's very meh.Ah okay. Yeah makes sense then. I think the context is key with these things, he was what 18/19 or 19/20 in that season, second full season. It made sense he would struggle a bit. Also to put it into context what he was doing and showed in his first full season was not the norm for a 18 yo, it was not a good full debut season, it was a season a generational player would have.
Tbh what I'm seeing at Getafe with his performances is very similar to his last half a season, which is a player who still needs to actively try to impact games but whose general play has matured, he is safe in possession, assured in his passing and is dependable. He just needs to develop that appetite to grab hold of games, which may come as he gets a bit stronger and fitter.
Agree with this but also feel it needs to be taken into account the team he’s playing in and the style of football that team plays.Tbh what I'm seeing at Getafe with his performances is very similar to his last half a season, which is a player who still needs to actively try to impact games but whose general play has matured, he is safe in possession, assured in his passing and is dependable. He just needs to develop that appetite to grab hold of games, which may come as he gets a bit stronger and fitter.
I do agree on your second point about him potentially being wasted out wide, although I reckon if he plays for a possesion dominant team that might not be that much of an issue. He's talented enough to play across the front line, I feel like its more down to him and where he wants to play and then putting the effort in to make it his own.I haven't watched him for Getafe at all but what I remember of his last half season (without trying to be harsh on him in particular as I don't think anybody could have excelled in that team) was a player who was turning selfish but if anything, not really pushing on and looking more boring/predictable and average as a talent compared to the generational talent he looked at first. Partially due to the team, partially due to me really thinking he's just not a wide player. So if he's still looking like that, then it's very meh.
Ignoring everything else and just looking at the footballing talent, I really feel like he'll be wasted as a talent if he's shoehorned wide as he's just do cautious/safe there and you aren't getting him in and around to box often enough where his only real elite trait can show itself.
Yeah definitely, he's playing in a team that is not conducive to getting him into good goal scoring positions regularly. Which makes his performances even better (not outstanding) but gives added context.Agree with this but also feel it needs to be taken into account the team he’s playing in and the style of football that team plays.
I think within that context, he’s clearly already impacting every game he plays in for Getafe.
Based on my general experience listening to posters in this forum, I'd say the latter.All true. I'm not sure if people have genuinely forgotten or whether they are using his off the field transgressions against him and consciously diminishing his talent and potential as a result.
‘No winger focused metric’, as if the best wingers in the world Mbappe, Vinci Jr, Salah et al are all a bunch of track back merchants. The biggest metric for ‘wingers’ now is goal/assists, it doesn’t hide all ails but a winger that runs around lots but gives you feck all else sounds a lot like Antony.There was literally no winger focused attribute that he excelled in by any metric. He excelled in metrics that correlate to strikers. Hid creativity stats are shit. He doesn't dribble past players and didn't have impressive progressive passing or carrying numbers. His defensive work was mediocre. A wide poacher like Rashford is, sure.
Yeah he meshed terribly with Ronaldo but those first couple of games when he played through the middle he was our best attacker. That Leeds game to open the season was fantasticI haven't watched him for Getafe at all but what I remember of his last half season (without trying to be harsh on him in particular as I don't think anybody could have excelled in that team) was a player who was turning selfish but if anything, not really pushing on and looking more boring/predictable and average as a talent compared to the generational talent he looked at first. Partially due to the team, partially due to me really thinking he's just not a wide player. So if he's still looking like that, then it's very meh.
Ignoring everything else and just looking at the footballing talent, I really feel like he'll be wasted as a talent if he's shoehorned wide as he's just do cautious/safe there and you aren't getting him in and around to box often enough where his only real elite trait can show itself.
No it shouldn’t. It should be in any discussion about Greenwood. To have a thread only discussing his performances is to excuse the reason he is no longer welcome at the club or in the PL in the first place. It’s ignorant. We all knew he was a mega talent and discussing just that aspect of him is pointless when trying to have a reasoned debate. feck that.This should be in the other discussion. Besides, because there is a recording or a part of a larger recording, does not make it right or completely contextualise the entire situation, towards one case.
Because, oh I heard x but not y makes the latter okay.
People should be given the chance to defend or themselves and the right to rehabilitation.
I am looking to seeing how he gets on against Atletico on Tuesday, will a very tough match.
Please focus on performances here as opposed to using it to rationalize the player's unrelated, horrendous behaviour.This should be in the other discussion. Besides, because there is a recording or a part of a larger recording, does not make it right or completely contextualise the entire situation, towards one case.
Because, oh I heard x but not y makes the latter okay.
People should be given the chance to defend or themselves and the right to rehabilitation.
I am looking to seeing how he gets on against Atletico on Tuesday, will a very tough match.
Who said this?“the most logical is to return to Manchester but they don't seem to use much logic xd. I also don't see why Greenwood will go back even if he is called because many bigger teams without the luggage will fight for him”
feck me. we really fell off
I agree with the user, this should be in the other thread.No it shouldn’t. It should be in any discussion about Greenwood. To have a thread only discussing his performances is to excuse the reason he is no longer welcome at the club or in the PL in the first place. It’s ignorant. We all knew he was a mega talent and discussing just that aspect of him is pointless when trying to have a reasoned debate. feck that.
Yeah it will be a very tough test for him and the team as I imagine their attacking chances will be severly limited. It'll be interesting to see what his all round play will be like e.g. can he keep the ball under pressure, link up with teammates etc.I am looking to seeing how he gets on against Atletico on Tuesday, will a very tough match.
We’ll see soon I suppose. I don’t think ‘news outlets’ stating anything will change my mind.Multiple news outlets have already stated that Real, Barca and Bayern are scouting him…
He’s an elite player with very rare footballing qualities.
If you think he won’t end up at another huge club I think it’s you who’ll end up surprised to be honest mate.
But if you want go have that type of debate please go to the existing thread like we have asked everyoneNo it shouldn’t. It should be in any discussion about Greenwood. To have a thread only discussing his performances is to excuse the reason he is no longer welcome at the club or in the PL in the first place. It’s ignorant. We all knew he was a mega talent and discussing just that aspect of him is pointless when trying to have a reasoned debate. feck that.
I have replied to this in the other discussion.No it shouldn’t. It should be in any discussion about Greenwood. To have a thread only discussing his performances is to excuse the reason he is no longer welcome at the club or in the PL in the first place. It’s ignorant. We all knew he was a mega talent and discussing just that aspect of him is pointless when trying to have a reasoned debate. feck that.
You're still in here arguing even though I bumped the old thread hours ago. I think you proved my point.Your point was fictional. Which was pointed out to you. Nobody doubled down. Until you did, just there. Which is ironic.
No it shouldn’t. It should be in any discussion about Greenwood. To have a thread only discussing his performances is to excuse the reason he is no longer welcome at the club or in the PL in the first place. It’s ignorant. We all knew he was a mega talent and discussing just that aspect of him is pointless when trying to have a reasoned debate. feck that.Please focus on performances here as opposed to using it to rationalize the player's unrelated, horrendous behaviour.