Mason Greenwood | Please be respectful and stay on topic

[AngeloHenriquez]

If anyone knows how to check tweets, look at Luckhurst's latest tweet, pretty damning

 

[Swearing Budgie]

Good. Bye.

 

[Brwned]

Some of you guys need to read, it doesn't say that we are selling him och terminating his contract. It says the following:

All those involved, including Mason, recognise the difficulties with him recommencing his career at Manchester United. It has therefore been mutually agreed that it would be most appropriate for him to do so away from Old Trafford, and we will now work with Mason to achieve that outcome.

Notice the use of the word recommencing and not continuing which would imply that it will be an initial loan before a new decision will be made.

I still wonder where this outrage where when Chelsea bought [Irrelevant point] who killed a girl in a drunk driving accident and then payed of her family to avoid a sentence in jail?

Yeah they've definitely left the door open to him coming back after a good spell elsewhere. They're just waiting to see if he is able to make a comeback on the pitch, and whether the negative PR will die down a bit over time. I reckon they'll probably try it and quickly u-turn after the backlash. Again.

 

[siw2007]

It’s a huge relief that this is put to bed. I’ve largely been happy with the process the club has taken up to recent weeks, it is important that the club has established as many facts as it possibly could do before making a decision. The past week has been a little unsavoury, I’m not sure how much truth there was in that we were prepared to bring him back as opposed to the possibility being put forward and planned for as noted in the statement, but out of all the information collected they didn’t account for the backlash this past week, we went from being in control to allowing the media to have their way with us.

Overall, I feel the decision is correct and reasoning behind it that was given by the club to be sensible and reasonable. It would have been very difficult for Mason to come back, he would have been putting on a United shirt and asked to play for us away from home, he wouldn’t have been treated as an opponent, he would have been an enemy. It would have been a very difficult predicament for both teams and the referee. Because of this, England and Man United in particular is just not a good environment for him to continue his career. As we go forwards, as noted by the club, we must still put the victims interests at heart in this as well.

 

[Swagawa]

What do we think this means?

Framed by the looks of it. And if he wasn't then why the hell would they say something like that.

 

[Berbaclass]

fecking hell

You are absolutely convinced that he’s guilty yet the club who have investigated the situation for 6 months have clearly stated otherwise.

 

[Infestissumam]

not going to lie, it's pretty disheartening to see quite a number of posters defending him and offering nothing but a "cancel culture/woke mob" word salad. Not that it's that surprising these days, but still ... grim.

 

[TheGame]

They are 2 reasons, the same 2 points were also outlined by the club.
And its the point you were ignoring

I haven't ignored it, I clearly said they were aligned, you are just choosing not to highlight it to suit your opinion.

 

[Redlambs]

This decision is wrong on so many levels.
A young kid, that grew up watching a handful of incompetent managers spunk money at average players like Pogba, Bastian, Lingard and co, has been brought up in that environment and I can bet my house nobody ever has spoken to him about values and important things in life. He goes on and makes a mistake. His wife then forgives him, goes to have a kid with him, but the internet gang, and the innocent nuns of twitter don't give it a break, do they? They have to single him out, and forgiveness or remorse are not things they could ever talk about, could they?


Well fecking done internet justice league. You achieved it. You must be fecking proud with yourselves. I wish you go to hell.
I can not support a club that has such fans. I hope you all go to hell.

Drag your knuckles elsewhere then.

 

[Cassidy]

They have also said they only have access to some information and not other parts.

The club, not the CPS

 

[Giggsy13]

He wasn't 'legally proven not guilty', you fecking cretin.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[Wumminator]

This decision is wrong on so many levels.
A young kid, that grew up watching a handful of incompetent managers spunk money at average players like Pogba, Bastian, Lingard and co, has been brought up in that environment and I can bet my house nobody ever has spoken to him about values and important things in life. He goes on and makes a mistake. His wife then forgives him, goes to have a kid with him, but the internet gang, and the innocent nuns of twitter don't give it a break, do they? They have to single him out, and forgiveness or remorse are not things they could ever talk about, could they?


Well fecking done internet justice league. You achieved it. You must be fecking proud with yourselves. I wish you go to hell.
I can not support a club that has such fans. I hope you all go to hell.

This is one of the most vile posts I’ve ever read.

 

[mitchmouse]

For a start, all the evidence in that trial wasn't deemed fake.

As for Greenwood, both he and United suggest in the statements that those social media posts are real.

No but it is possible for that to be taken out of context and be part of a much longer argument/conversation: the point is we don't know and I'm loathe to find someone guilty and hearsay and one tiny bit of evidence.

 

[padzilla]

The club states that the evidence suggests he didn’t abuse her.

The evidence that they can't produce?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Regardless of the case this is a scarry bit. So United belive he is innocent but want him out becasue of branding issues?

More likely I would say is that United had to get Greenwood's sign-off /approval of it so they can mutually terminate his contract, and having that line in the statement was part of his terms.

 

[HTG]

What do we think this means?

Nothing until they actually say what they mean.

 

[Cassidy]

I haven't ignored it, I clearly said they were aligned, you are just choosing not to highlight it to suit your opinion.

I don't have an opinion, if you read I said I don't know what happened, and people that are saying they do are lying

 

[Redlambs]

not going to lie, it's pretty disheartening to see quite a number of posters defending him and offering a "cancel culture/woke mob" word salad. Not that it's that surprising these days, but still ... grim.

The poll thread in the general is worse.

People just don't give a shit.

 

[TheGame]

not going to lie, it's pretty disheartening to see quite a number of posters defending him and offering a "cancel culture/woke mob" word salad. Not that it's that surprising these days, but still ... grim.

When anyone uses these words, as with politicians, they have lost the argument and are as thick as mince.

 

[mu4c_20le]

But competence from a sports "journalist" is less surprising?

He got his hands on some documents, and he leaked/wrote about them. Its what they do.

This also isn't the first time The Athletic wrote negative articles about our club and the way its run.

 

[erikcred]

I personally think the decision is correct just because it would be a massive distraction to the team.

Can't argue with that. I think the dilly-dallying has made things so much worse. If it was some random company dropping an employee with this sort of a recording out there (whether found guilty or not), no one would complain as he has, in some sense, damaged the company reputation. It's just because it's us that it's become such a circus. Normally I'd heave a sigh of relief that this is over and turn to the next game for distraction, but that's not going so well for us either.

 

[Hughie77]

He hasn’t concluded he was not guilty of all crimes.

Didn't he ???

 

[gaffs]

Did no one here follow the Depp trial? There was plenty of images there too, deemed fake by the court, all created with makeup. There was out of context audio there too, it came to light with the full recordings.

The whole judicial system is built on innocent until proven guilty, plenty of times people have looked guilty from the outside and then it has come out later that they did nothing wrong. I am more surprised that Mason is deciding to stay with this woman after a mountain of false allegations. He should throw her to the curb, too bad he knocked her up.

And the club should be ashamed, who are they to think they can run an investigation better than the police. As soon as charges were dropped he should have been back in training.

So you saying his girlfriend, who was in her teens at the time, was photoshopping images of abuse?

The police were not able to run an investigation because she refused to cooperate, no doubt due to pressure from him, or the realization that her lavish lifestyle would be over.

And im sure he would have dumped her, but that would have been a bad look. He needed her, and her baby to project the happy family image.

Wouldn't be surprised if he drops her now.

 

[littlepeasoup]

I doubt it to be honest

I suppose it all depends on how badly the time away from football has damaged his ability - but there will be plenty of places looking to snap him up for naught I imagine.

I'll posit he'll have a better career than Ravel did.

 

[LARulz]

I will still maintain that the club should have let him go on loan if they really wanted to bring him back, I stead they've fecked up on all fronts

It's right he didn't come back but they did it all wrong. Either do it quicker and without it looking like a forced decision

 

[Berbaclass]

The evidence that they can't produce?

Probably because it’s a legal matter

 

[Wumminator]

You are absolutely convinced that he’s guilty yet the club who have investigated the situation for 6 months have clearly stated otherwise.

No they haven’t at all.

 

[TheGame]

I don't have an opinion, if you read I said I don't know what happened, and people that are saying they do are lying

Your posts clearly point to you thinking its the wrong decision to release him, I have garnered that from what you have said.

 

[Wishe]

Except he did and we all know it. Some prefer to stick their head in the sand and pretend he didn't for the sake of football or "anti-wokeness", but they too know.

It's not our job to know. That would be the job of the police conducting the investigation and they came to the conclusion that the evidence against Mason Greenwood was not sufficient to prosecute. And so we should be welcoming him back with open arms.

 

[Quagmire Maguire]

Glad he is gone, supporting United with him as part of the first team was going to be very hard to stomach and I would have been wishing him to be on the end of a career ending challenge every game he played for us. He may not have been charged but we all heard that audio and I just can't unhear it.

 

[Ahmer Baig]

Well I'm pissed right off, some club is getting a top quality player, and it will be for peanuts...
I wanted him back in , but UTDs board have given in to peer pressure from other quarters..

I hope the boy goes on and plays his football abroad and scores shit load of goals , comes back as a visiting player in CL or Europa league or conference league and scores a Hattrick .... and i will cheer every fecking goal, I've followed this club since 8 yrs of age and I'm seriously thinking of feck it now .....

You are no true United fan if you cheer a player scoring against the club.

 

[roy'skeen]

United should sell him abroad on a free but secure a sell on clause. I can't see him ever coming back to England or playing for England.

 

[Kinsella]

Best hasn’t played for decades, Giggs all came out after he left, Ronaldo has nowhere near the amount of evidence.

I’m surprised he didn’t mention Tommy Docherty too.

 

[Cassidy]

It's pointless unless they can figure out a way to put out more details. I'm guessing they can't due to the sensitive nature of the recordings. "Trust us, he isn't guilty" isn't good enough for such a high profile case.

Its not pointless at all, and its not their right to put out the details.
Same as its not the right of the CPS to disclose details of the new evidence which came to light

They are telling us these things and legally that's all they are allowed to do.

 

[Jeppers7]

It’s a sorry state of affairs that a young man made a mistake and Manchester United cannot rehabilitate him. Truth be told Masons biggest issue is the public nature of that night, in that we’ve all heard it. United have had players and former captains arrested for drink driving, for punching a woman in a pub and for alleged exposure and attempted rape on a club tour. Other players at other clubs have killed people and come back to play.

Yes the audio was terrible but it’s only the most public situation of its nature in football, not the worst.

 

[Berbaclass]

No they haven’t at all.

Okay then. I’m pretty sure they did though.

 

[redIndianDevil]

So it took the club 1.6 years to reach a decision and write 2 paragraphs about it. Wow, I'm sure a thorough inquiry has been completed by our masterminds.
An extended 1-2 years loan would have made more sense, time will tell how good will he become, as a footballer, nobody can predict that now.

What else do you want? A Netflix documentary?

 

[JPRouve]

I guess that might be something to do with the new evidence the CPS mentioned when they dropped the case and the family agreed with it

New material, not new evidence.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

You are absolutely convinced that he’s guilty yet the club who have investigated the situation for 6 months have clearly stated otherwise.

Glad you have entire faith in the Manchester United Police Department.

 

[Teja]

The club states that the evidence suggests he didn’t abuse her.

That's the bit that's hard to understand for me and it'd be interesting if there were leaks of the full story. It could be an outright lie of course (or a carefully crafted media message after consulting with the victim + her family to get the story straight w/o disagreements) but it seems like there's more to this case than just the one shocking recording.