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Ali Dia

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I've literally never said we need a backup for Bruno. Why? Because Bruno plays every game under every single manager, is never injured, and is club captain. You don't buy a 60m backup on 200k per week for competition for your captain who plays every game and never even gets subbed off. You use just have a versatile young player there for that role in case of emergency. But as it is, Mount won't play as a 10 pretty much ever. And just to clarify, I don't want us to sell Bruno. He's pretty much always our most important and effective player. We have a lot of team development to do until it makes sense to replace him. I'm just saying the Mount signing was obviously dumb and it remains dumb as he remains without a role in the team.

Depth is great. You need depth. You need to know where you need it though. In the 90's teams, we played 442 and rotated our strikers around, so yes we had 4 strikers. Who was our backup for Jaap Stam? Who was our backup for Beckham? You don't have great depth for every player. You have it for players that need rotating. It makes sense to have depth for wingers in our team. It doesn't make sense to have it for Bruno. It makes sense to have depth for Shaw as he's injured often. It never made sense for Spurs to focus too much on depth for Kane as he played every minute of every game (until the injuries).

Also funny you mention City. Maybe have an actual look at their squad. They have a group of 16 senior outfield players. The rest are youth players. Even from that group of senior players, guys like Nunes barely play and only played earlier cause De Bruyne was out for ages. Just like how they spent 40m on Phillips to make up numbers but he never played.
He was signed to replace McT who looked to be on his way out until the 11th hour. He’ll be taking his minutes or competing with him for the spot next season. Competition is great but not so good with a manager who doesn’t rotate much. I would love to see Bruno dropped for a few games like in any other team. I don’t understand how Bruno and Rashford automatically start every game even when they aren’t at it. Also I don’t like how tactically naive ETH is. If he knew Brentford were going to be al over us we could have went 5 at the back. Dalot should be the one of the left - he has AWB there to basically do all the grunt work for Rashford. It sets a terrible tone that laziness is accepted if the manger likes you.
 

Gabriel Djemba-Bebe

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Amad is replacing Rashford, it’s Bruno against Mount for their natural position as a 10.
Mount looked just as natural on the left for Chelsea as he does in the 10. We're far more likely to see him feature there than to start ahead of a player who the manager made captain and has never dropped before. The Mount vs Bruno discussion might hold more weight once we have a new manager and Mount has played more than a dozen games for United.
 

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Garnacho Hojlund Amad
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As good as a back up option he is for the wing, I'd be very disappointed to see Amad lose out on a starting spot over him.
Garnacho looked exhausted on Saturday. No way he should start on Thursday. That team but with Rashford in place of Garnacho is the way to go. That then gives us a great bench option if either winger isn’t doing enough.

Edit - sorry just realised this is the Mount thread not the match one! I absolutely do not want to see Mason Mount on the wing for us unless it’s a really desperate situation. He’s a number 10 and that’s where we should be playing him, if at all.
 

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I feel like he should be getting a bit more credit for his goal. That first touch turned a 20% chance of a goal into a 70% chance. Had to be perfectly weighted to give the Brentford defender zero opportunity to tackle back, but also gently enough to keep the angle nice and wide. Very good goal technically, albeit not necessarily one for the highlight reel.
It was a very good goal technically. It wasn't easy, but Mount made it look very easy.
 

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Garnacho looked exhausted on Saturday. No way he should start on Thursday. That team but with Rashford in place of Garnacho is the way to go. That then gives us a great bench option if either winger isn’t doing enough.

Edit - sorry just realised this is the Mount thread not the match one! I absolutely do not want to see Mason Mount on the wing for us unless it’s a really desperate situation. He’s a number 10 and that’s where we should be playing him, if at all.
He was, probably jet lag after returning from Argentina. He has been playing a hell of a lot, not against him being rested.
 

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That's good to read. And not too surprising really, he's always seemed a good professional and never doubted his attitude at all.

The big issue remains fitting him in the same side as Fernandes, but I really hope he can stay fit and get to show that he's a good player here as he's already shown that he's capable of being a top 4 / CL standard player - it's just a matter of can we find a role in the team that gets the best out of him. Which has applied to so many of our signings over the last decade - as we've generally been worse than the sum of our parts.
 

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But… if he got back as quickly as possible, how long was he meant to be out? He’s missed the entire season with what was originally meant to be a short term injury
 

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But… if he got back as quickly as possible, how long was he meant to be out? He’s missed the entire season with what was originally meant to be a short term injury
He didn't speed up his recovery, but he was eager to make up on marginal gains that helps him integrate quicker.
 

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I wonder would Ten Hag have the cajones to drop Fernandes and play Mount in that role for a game or two to see how it goes?

Big few weeks coming up for Mount.
 

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I have a positive feeling about Mount and think he will be like a new signing having been out for so long.
 

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I have a positive feeling about Mount and think he will be like a new signing having been out for so long.
Are we going to play Bruno, Mount and Mainoo as a trio? Feels horribly balanced even in a system that doesn't naturally expose the midfield... In ours it'll be horrible off the ball.
 

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I'm hearing he impressed in training. Good, that should buy him 20mins on the left /right wing every game if he's lucky. Because there's no chance Bruno/McTominay get dropped. McTominay probably should be dropped, but he seems to be more effective second striker than Mount. And it's not like that position should exist in the first place, but it does in Ten Hag system.
 

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I'm hearing he impressed in training. Good, that should buy him 20mins on the left /right wing every game if he's lucky. Because there's no chance Bruno/McTominay get dropped. McTominay probably should be dropped, but he seems to be more effective second striker than Mount. And it's not like that position should exist in the first place, but it does in Ten Hag system.
McTominay has already been dropped from the starting 11. He's first choice back-up at the moment for when one of the starting three aren't playing, but I expect Mount will be given a chance to overtake him in that role. It'll then be up to Mount's performances if he does or not.
 

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Mount, Mainoo and Bruno - Klopp would pick them in midfield

they have legs, technical ability and passing quality - Ten Hag should do the same and try to get Bruno to use the ball better
 

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just as soon as we get midfield options back our defensive options all get injured. As soon as we get our defenders back our only striker gets injured. And so on.

Hopefully Mount has a really strong end to the season because by god we need it and it would be nice to see some of football gurus on here majorly eat their words. I think he’ll be a starter for us in most games next season if he finally can stay fit. He can hit close to this season McT kind of numbers picking up scraps around the box like against Brentford
 

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Mount, Mainoo and Bruno - Klopp would pick them in midfield

they have legs, technical ability and passing quality - Ten Hag should do the same and try to get Bruno to use the ball better
That midfield would be great in a game of no-contact, however in the Premier League it doesn't stand a chance.
 

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That midfield would be great in a game of no-contact, however in the Premier League it doesn't stand a chance.
hmmm I accept that but no point in having physical players like Casemiro or Amrabat when they can't get near the ball

Klopp had players like Elliot, Jones and Gakpo playing in there at times

there's no ideal solution with our midfield options - depends on your poison and I'll take legs, technical ability and energy over slow players waiting for a yellow or players like McTominay who can't use the ball
 

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hmmm I accept that but no point in having physical players like Casemiro or Amrabat when they can't get near the ball

Klopp had players like Elliot, Jones and Gakpo playing in there at times

there's no ideal solution with our midfield options - depends on your poison and I'll take legs, technical ability and energy over slow players waiting for a yellow or players like McTominay who can't use the ball
That midfield can't keep the ball and hasn't got the legs to get back either, it's literally a none starter outside of a friendly game. In the way Ten Hag wants to set up his midfield you need combative, box to box, winners of the ball that don't stop running and can keep the ball with intricate passing. The midfield you named is about as powderpuff as it gets, and when they do get the ball they launch it forward like it's on fire. We already look like we don't have a midfield most games, if we go with those 3 we actually won't have a midfield.

Klopp sets his team up very different to whatever Ten Hag is trying to do.
 
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That midfield would be great in a game of no-contact, however in the Premier League it doesn't stand a chance.
Maybe but if we can’t get the ball from defence to attack quickly (and use our (mainly) “better” players), we struggle anyway?

Maybe we lose some physicality but gain quicker attacks, where opponent not so set? Might be a trade off and to be honest, we’re not getting top 4/5, so I’m fine with a bit of experimentation in the remaining PL games… there’s only eight and it either helps or fails and we’re still 6th/7th. At least we’d learn if suits overall team/results more.
 

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Maybe but if we can’t get the ball from defence to attack quickly (and use our (mainly) “better” players), we struggle anyway?

Maybe we lose some physicality but gain quicker attacks, where opponent not so set? Might be a trade off and to be honest, we’re not getting top 4/5, so I’m fine with a bit of experimentation in the remaining PL games… there’s only eight and it either helps or fails and we’re still 6th/7th. At least we’d learn if suits overall team/results more.
Yes but we will be god knows how many goals down before half time with that midfield, its a non starter, and people will see that when it literally never happens despite them all being fit.

The only way Mount gets in the team is on the right wing or in place of Bruno. You're completely ceding any control of the game by starting that 3 in the middle together. It's a sackable offence.
 

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After missing the entire season it would be wrong to expect him to be starting games after one sub appearance.

Let him slowly back into the team, introduce him after an hour.
 

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That midfield can't keep the ball and hasn't got the legs to get back either, it's literally a none starter outside of a friendly game. In the way Ten Hag wants to set up his midfield you need combative, box to box, winners of the ball that don't stop running and can keep the ball with intricate passing. The midfield you named is about as powderpuff as it gets, and when they do get the ball they launch it forward like it's on fire. We already look like we don't have a midfield most games, if we go with those 3 we actually won't have a midfield.

Klopp sets his team up very different to whatever Ten Hag is trying to do.
sadly very lacking in this in terms of complete midfielders - Mainoo is the only one close to it but Bruno and Mount can do a job with the right coach (which is a reach with the current team)

who would you play against Chelsea?

We can see that Casemiro, Ericksen and Amrabat don't have the pace. McTominay hides from the ball though he can be combative if we play him deep.

Klopp (and every other manager in the league) sets up differently to Ten Hag - maybe the suggestion is that Ten Hag sets up a bit differently and with more legs and players who can use the ball our match will resemble a basketball match a bit less - we can keep the ball a bit better and be less open
 

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sadly very lacking in this in terms of complete midfielders - Mainoo is the only one close to it but Bruno and Mount can do a job with the right coach (which is a reach with the current team)

who would you play against Chelsea?

We can see that Casemiro, Ericksen and Amrabat don't have the pace. McTominay hides from the ball though he can be combative if we play him deep.

Klopp (and every other manager in the league) sets up differently to Ten Hag - maybe the suggestion is that Ten Hag sets up a bit differently and with more legs and players who can use the ball our match will resemble a basketball match a bit less - we can keep the ball a bit better and be less open
I'd play Casemiro, Bruno and Mainoo but I'm not sure if Casemiro is fit, if not then McTomminay. Like I said, the way we play needs legs in the midfield or we're out of the game before half time. Casemiro and McTomminay both offer physicality and presence in the air also, which is desperately needed. None of these are ideal setups but you make the most of what you've got and you play to their strengths, but then again I wouldn't play suicidal football either so maybe the way Ten Hag wants to play forces the team selection.

Unfortunately the players Ten Hag needs to make his system work just don't exist. It works in Holland because average players are still better than most of the league, the smaller teams over there are just happy to turn up and lose by less than 3 goals, they're easily overwhelmed by an organised running team. You can't do that in the PL, every team can beat you and they're all fit and organised. You can't just overwhelm them with a high press and run them down a blind alley.
 

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I was a bit underwhelmed by the signing but I really would like to see him given a go in his best position for an extended run of matches.

I think most fans agree that we have a future core of Onana, Dalot, Martinez, Mainoo, Garnacho and Hojlund. Maybe Mount could be apart of that set up? It's a bit lacking in physical strength but the core of the group has good technical ability and is young.
 

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McTominay has already been dropped from the starting 11. He's first choice back-up at the moment for when one of the starting three aren't playing, but I expect Mount will be given a chance to overtake him in that role. It'll then be up to Mount's performances if he does or not.
You think we'll play midfield of Mainoo, Mount and Bruno in the EPL?
 

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Mount, Mainoo and Bruno - Klopp would pick them in midfield

they have legs, technical ability and passing quality - Ten Hag should do the same and try to get Bruno to use the ball better
Klopp also has the most physical and athletic centre back group in the league.
 

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Maybe not if it's Casemiro that drops out. But if it's Mainoo or Bruno ( :lol: ) that aren't playing or are being subbed then I can easily see it being Mount rather than McTominay. Not yet, but if he outperforms him over the next few games then from that point forward.
Back to the original point I made (that Mount isn't going to play more than 20min cameos on the wings) - it still looks like the most likely scenario.
Mainoo is the first name on the team sheet and (on current form) the only player that can save Ten Hag's job. He is not getting dropped.
Bruno is the captain, and never gets dropped / subbed.
McTominay is the guy that competes with Mount. The problem is, with Casemiro out of the picture, he is the only guy in front 6 (apart from Hojlund) who adds some presence. So again, are we going to drop McTominay, Ten Hag's go-to player and play Mount?

It's not a discussion about what makes sense, it's about what do you see our manager will do. It is pretty clear he is happy with McTominay playing the box crusher role and not doing a lot of "midfielding". If he wasn't happy, Scott wouldn't be playing the same role week in week out.