InfiniteBoredom
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What is even there to discuss? They are classic Nazi talking points, ‘vermins overrun our people’, ‘lebensraum’ and all that.I don't see why we can't discuss it, those dangerous ideas need to be critiqued.
What is even there to discuss? They are classic Nazi talking points, ‘vermins overrun our people’, ‘lebensraum’ and all that.I don't see why we can't discuss it, those dangerous ideas need to be critiqued.
Not my place to answer really. Just noted down that the modmins said so and have mentioned it to those who have posted it to help out.I don't see why we can't discuss it, those dangerous ideas need to be critiqued.
I feel the same way, I don't even understand it all.I don't see why we can't discuss it, those dangerous ideas need to be critiqued.
They have to be discussed though. That's how you educate, that's how you open peoples minds, that's how you stop these terrible things. Just criticizing, condemning and shielding the general public helps nobody, it just gets peoples backs up. It's a real failing in the Western world right now and it needs addressing.What is even there to discuss? They are classic Nazi talking points, ‘vermins overrun our people’, ‘lebensraum’ and all that.
Thanks.Cheers Wibble.
@Lj82 that's how he got in. And the One Nation party is the one that our racists and islamophobes vote for.
It’s not like we have thousands upon thousands pages of literature on Nazism, their history etc... documentaries also readily available on YouTube, dozen of Oscar winning films on the Holocaust or other subjects dealing with discrimination like Apartheid.They have to be discussed though. That's how you educate, that's how you open peoples minds, that's how you stop these terrible things. Just criticizing, condemning and shielding the general public helps nobody, it just gets peoples backs up. It's a real failing in the Western world right now and it needs addressing.
He didn't identify as a Nazi though.What is even there to discuss? They are classic Nazi talking points, ‘vermins overrun our people’, ‘lebensraum’ and all that.
He doesn't comment on it because @SwansonsTache is delighted by this awful, inhuman tragedy no doubt!You could just ignore the tag you know.i mean Jesus Christ, this is an internet forum, you don't have to have the last word...
Failing that, as many people have died in what is a awful, inhumane tragedy, you could just make a comment on that and move on.
Most of the alt right crowd also don’t, but they’d be delighted to live in a society like 1938 Nazi Germany.He didn't identify as a Nazi though.
Semantics. He didn't literally identify as a Nazi, but he did identify as a fascist. There's a rather large overlap, and none of it is good.He didn't identify as a Nazi though.
This seems to be the attitude of Western society. It's basically "you're stupid, I'm right". Which is usually mostly true - they are stupid, you are right - but that doesn't help anyone.It’s not like we have thousands upon thousands pages of literature on Nazism, their history etc... documentaries also readily available on YouTube, dozen of Oscar winning films on the Holocaust or other subjects dealing with discrimination like Apartheid.
These people chose this particular ideology readily, they aren’t deprived of the contrary evidence. Nothing us ‘*****/snowflakes/SJWs’ do will change their minds.
The point is we are open for discussion, and have discussed those toxic ideologies for decades, generations, with deadly consequences, but they aren’t. None of their ideas is new, none of it hasn’t been discussed to death before, but they don’t care, because we are, in their minds, either a) hoodwinked by the globalist, Jewish cabal or b) ***** who are selling our identity away to *Muslamic* sub-human sewer dwellers.This seems to be the attitude of Western society. It's basically "you're stupid, I'm right". Which is usually mostly true - they are stupid, you are right - but that doesn't help anyone.
Society needs to be more open and should be more willing to discuss unpleasant things, even when we think it's pointless and a waste of time.
Pretty much
Some kid egged him yesterday and he punched him before his thuggish mates also massively overreacted.
I'm not disagreeing that unpleasant things need to be discussed, but I'm always minded of this Sartre snippet that seems to reflect any conversation with nazi types I've ever had:This seems to be the attitude of Western society. It's basically "you're stupid, I'm right". Which is usually mostly true - they are stupid, you are right - but that doesn't help anyone.
Society needs to be more open and should be more willing to discuss unpleasant things, even when we think it's pointless and a waste of time.
If we take whatever he wrote with any degree of seriousness then the joke's on us. We have far better source material than the ramblings of this latest lunatic with which to cover the inhumanity of these people and the misery they inflict.The anti‐Semite has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of the Jew appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse. I mentioned awhile back some remarks by anti‐Semites, all of them absurd: "I hate Jews because they make servants insubordinate, because a Jewish furrier robbed me, etc." Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
Those guys are fecking animals, he got egged and he beats up a kid wtf?Pretty much
Some kid egged him yesterday and he punched him before his thuggish mates also massively overreacted.
My word you are a hateful hateful man.Surprised you and the rest of the brigade didn't mention the Norwegian and Danish girl raped and beheaded. Can't even remember a thread for it around here actually. Meanwhile the thread about some immigrant kid getting harassed at school in England had multiple pages.
Not surprised that you consequently chose to use the term "getting fecked" about the victims of the grooming gangs in England either. We call it sexually abused here in the civilized parts of the world. But it was probably some sly way for you to show a little more disrespect towards the kuffar victims.
Why do you assume he is? The police interviewed him and may well lay charges.How is this kid getting away with egging which is a criminal offense?
I agree with all of that but I don't agree with the generalization of the arab muslim community, they are really few just like the alt right speakers you mentioned but its true they do have a large effect, problem is those people won't understand peace if you drill it into their heads.https://jewishcurrents.org/essay/crocodile-tears-after-christchurch
A good article on a problem that I've been talking about for a while now, in right wing circles and also in some Muslim (well specifically Arab Muslim circles, where I have far more exposure). It focuses mostly on right wing Jews as a left wing Jewish publication but you can include all members of the trend, like Ali, Wilders, King, whoever you want really.
Rhetoric is dangerous, it is powerful and it can and does inspire acts like these. Words have consequences. This is the issue. Islamophobia is definitely mainstream now. And while the likes of Shapiro, Harris, King, Ali, Southern whoever may not themselves be violent or themselves openly call for violence against Muslims, I've always thought their rhetoric would eventually predispose to stuff like this. If you're saying Muslims are a threat to your civilisation, your way of life, your actual life. If you believe they're all rapists, paedophiles, terrorists and, on top of that, if you are being told that the governments are doing nothing about it, what is the logical end point of that if you're a 'person of action'? Do you sit idly while Muslims 'wipe out your civilisation'? Or do you take action?
Same is ultimately true for some in the Muslim community as well (well, mostly Arab is what I can best speak on). If you're talking about how Assad is killing Sunnis, if you're talking about how the West is doing x,y,z to Muslim ways of life, do you ultimately end up riling up certain people, even if you yourself never call for violence? In my view, yes.
Vile, vile stuff.
Sorry, I'm not generalising the Arab Muslim community, I'm saying that like with Shapiro, Ali etc, there are a small number who espouse horrible views but who themselves are not violent and they have often gotten this from listening to others who similarly espouse horrible views but are again, not violent.I agree with all of that but I don't agree with the generalization of the arab muslim community, they are really few just like the alt right speakers you mentioned but its true they do have a large effect, problem is those people won't understand peace if you drill it into their heads.
I know what you meant, just wanted to clarify for everybody else, but yeah I've seen comments on fb by people of the sort and there are def some questionable tv personalities to say the least mostly from Saudi.Sorry, I'm not generalising the Arab Muslim community, I'm saying that like with Shapiro, Ali etc, there are a small number who espouse horrible views but who themselves are not violent and they have often gotten this from listening to others who similarly espouse horrible views but are again, not violent.
I mentioned the Arabs specifically because my wife is half Egyptian but was born and raised there and we go to Egypt a lot/she has a lot of Arab friends/I speak Arabic but not Urdu/Hindi/Malay/Turkish/Farsi/Kurdish/Bengali etc etc and therefore can't comment on what Muslims from those communities do as I can't read or understand what they may say or write. One of her brother in laws for example says some pretty appalling stuff about Shiites in general and about them in the context of the Syrian war.
Anyway, I digress and am taking the thread a bit off topic. The point I was trying to make is that speech has consequences. And the likes of Harris and Shapiro and Ali and Wilders and Le Pen and Robinson etc etc end up having a major influence. In my opinion anyway.
My god, that's the first time i have read what he actually said.Pretty much
Some kid egged him yesterday and he punched him before his thuggish mates also massively overreacted.
Good spot.Is that Statman Dave?
Absolutely!Well apart from all the discussions taking place in this thread . We should take a minute and commend the New Zealand Citizens, Prime Minister and the Government for their reaction after the incident . All the support , vigils and understanding has been very helpful and great .
I can tell.
I ain't going nowhere baby.
I'm inclined to agree. Taking his nonsensical ramblings seriously, arguably adds some credence to them. His 'manifesto' should, like him, simply be consigned to the dustbin of history - dismissed and forgotten about, as though they never existed.I dont think you should post his manifesto, or it should be discussed. If i posted a manifesto no one would read it (quite rightly). Dont make killing a pile of people become a platform for the sharing of ideas. He went on a killing spree, i think its fairly safe to disregard what he thinks.
Sorry sultan I have to disagree. If we use the same logic, we can state that al Qaeda weren't the only ones to blame for 9/11 but the us government was complicit in it too which is obviously bs.@africanspur
I read the link and also absolutely agree with your sentiments.
However, I will also go further, the Alt-right are not the only ones responsible. I very much think ISIS, Islamists and their ilk are no less complicit than the names you mention. They too have the blood of their co-religionists on their hands. Actions and words obviously have consequences. They also play a big part in providing ammunition and feeding Islamaphobes.
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