Tbf he did ask anyone either far left or far right to unfollow him. Seems more misguided in his views than genuinely bigoted.Why does he claiming he is a "centrist" if he is espousing mostly right-wing to far-right views?
This is like "so you were fine when we sold Jaap Stam?"Tweet
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Can't believe that comment about who the virus affects is fairly recent!Tweet
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No idea why Sky still employ the bellend. His views on football are just as bad as his conspiracy theories. Sky should do a clear out with the soccer Saturday clowns and just keep Stelling.
Agreed.I think not wearing a BLM badge is fine, I wouldn't wear one. The other tweets about coronavirus and climate change though do point to him being a bit of a thick bellend.
Why wouldn’t you wear one?I think not wearing a BLM badge is fine, I wouldn't wear one. The other tweets about coronavirus and climate change though do point to him being a bit of a thick bellend.
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No idea why Sky still employ the bellend. His views on football are just as bad as his conspiracy theories. Sky should do a clear out with the soccer Saturday clowns and just keep Stelling.
In the last few days they've said on their official UK twitter account that their aim is to abolish the state and the police. They've also made an antisemitic statement on their twitter yesterday which I highlighted in the BLM in the Premier League thread. It's a big no thanks from me, I'm not endorsing that. I'd voluntarily wear a badge with an anti-racism statement on if I were a pundit.Why wouldn’t you wear one?
BLM is about black people being treated differently to other races by Police, leading to injuries and deaths. Why wouldn't you wear a BLM badge?I remember back in the day watching low-res compilations of his goals. Not many players have a highlight reel like he does. Great player. But yeah, not the brightest.
Agreed.
I think football has made a hasty mistake taking onboard a phrase that has unfortunately developed some contentious political connotations. You even have the leader of Labour downplaying it.
But football has had its own anti-racism campaigns. Kick-it-out, and the like. Either that, or a variation of it, would be a pin to be proud of wearing. That's what they should have done.
BLM as a slogan and as a sentiment is different from the organisation itself. What people agree with is the sentiment that black lives do indeed matter. But BLM isn't just that. It's also a political organisation, which presents a potential conflict insofar as players perhaps ought not have to wear a badge espousing a particular political perspective.BLM is about black people being treated differently to other races by Police, leading to injuries and deaths. Why wouldn't you wear a BLM badge?
Ok, I can understand that, but what part of this political movement would anyone have a problem with?BLM as a slogan and as a sentiment is different from the organisation itself. What people agree with is the sentiment that black lives do indeed matter. But BLM isn't just that. It's also a political organisation, which presents a potential conflict insofar as players perhaps ought not have to wear a badge espousing a particular political perspective.
A quote from their UK Twitter: "When we say 'Defund the police' we mean 'Invest in programmes that actually keep us safe like youth services, mental health and social care, education, jobs and housing. Key services to support the most vulnerable before they come into contact with the criminal justice system'." Furthermore, Anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.In the last few days they've said on their official UK twitter account that their aim is to abolish the state and the police. They've also made an antisemitic statement on their twitter yesterday which I highlighted in the BLM in the Premier League thread. It's a big no thanks from me, I'm not endorsing that. I'd voluntarily wear a badge with an anti-racism statement on if I were a pundit.
It is rank. Who on earth is tuning in to watch a bunch of drunkards shout at football matches anyway? It's almost like they're just rubbing it in, that they're allowed to watch the 3pm games, and you're not, so let's get the most obnoxious gobshites we can to do exactly that.Soccer Saturday is a fckin toilet, I don't know who it reflects on worse, sky for employing these morons or the amount of people who tune in to watch it
The whole thing is a tired cliche-ridden idiotfest
Because we're the UK not the USA?BLM is about black people being treated differently to other races by Police, leading to injuries and deaths. Why wouldn't you wear a BLM badge?
They're financial contributions and political associations are almost exclusively left-wing. What if you're centrist? what if you're right-wing? We can argue to the cows come home why left is best, but the fact is that people have a diversity of political and socio-economic perspectives, which should be respected. The best way to respect that is for every player to have an informed choice.Ok, I can understand that, but what part of this political movement would anyone have a problem with?
I can see parallels with wearing a poppy, as it is widely regarded as taboo not to wear one, eg James MacLean, although he has his own reasons for not.
Remember when Charlie Nicholas predicted Cameroon would win the 2010 World Cup, just because it was in Africa? Top quality punditry. You'd get better analysis down the pub.
Personally think it's now gone far too political with wanting to defund the police and to bring down capitalism. A lot of BLMUK's aims are nothing to do with fairness but are purely far, far left policies.Why wouldn’t you wear one?
Again I can understand that. But surely the message behind the BLM campaign should be the main factor here regardless of your politcal leanings?They're financial contributions and political associations are almost exclusively left-wing. What if you're centrist? what if you're right-wing? We can argue to the cows come home why left is best, but the fact is that people have a diversity of political and socio-economic perspectives, which should be respected. The best way to respect that is for every player to have an informed choice.
I was under the impression that you didn't actually have to be a US national to be for black rights in America? Or indeed black rights were not solely an American issue? If I remember correctly there was a Windrush scandal here? And countless racially motivated attacks and murders in the UK? So please don't make out that there is no racism issues in the UK because, then it seems, you have missed the whole story perhaps?Because we're the UK not the USA?
Because Police in the United Kingdom kill people at a rate of about 0.5 people per million population, compared to about 46 per million in America?
Because people in the BLM protests in London attack and abuse our actually very responsible police?
Because the UK branch of BLM (probably in common with the US branch) are woke socialists who want to "tear down capitalism" & "abolish the police"?
Because woke socialists of their type are the same sneery so-and-so's calling everyone under the sun a bigot and inciting against the country?
It's like you missed the whole story, man. I'd back any campaign about stopping racism in football grounds or society, or putting money and resources into black local communities, if its done to unite people. Black people do deserve better, given history. Especially in America.
I agree with everything you've said. And in the circumstances, if I were a footballer or pundit myself, I would wear the badge. Showing support for black footballers who do seem to be behind it is more important than disputing the identity politics rancour. I was just saying why there is a rancour.I was under the impression that you didn't actually have to be a US national to be for black rights in America? Or indeed black rights were not solely an American issue? If I remember correctly there was a Windrush scandal here? And countless racially motivated attacks and murders in the UK? So please don't make out that there is no racism issues in the UK because, then it seems, you have missed the whole story perhaps?
Most people who support the BLM campaign couldn't care less about the left wing politics that have piggy backed onto it. For most, it is highlighting the mistreatment of black and ethnic minorities at the hands of police not only in the USA but across the world. Prime example, the Indian police, who have the worst human rights record going, for murder and torture of minority groups in that country.
However I would agree it is a shame the message has been distorted by the groups of people you mention, but that doesn't stop me supporting the idea behind the campaign. And to go back to the original point, I don't see why it would stop anyone wearing that badge. If it does, then the original message gets lost and that is a worse travesty.
Showing supprt for black footballers is more important than something actually being right? Anyway just fire him. Never ever hire someone who doesn't sign up to what we're all obliged to think.I agree with everything you've said. And in the circumstances, if I were a footballer or pundit myself, I would wear the badge. Showing support for black footballers who do seem to be behind it is more important than disputing the identity politics rancour. I was just saying why there is a rancour.
I dont mind Merson i have to admit. Probably because he is a massive Chelsea fan so i cut him some slack hahaTweet
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No idea why Sky still employ the bellend. His views on football are just as bad as his conspiracy theories. Sky should do a clear out with the soccer Saturday clowns and just keep Stelling.