Matthijs de Ligt / signs for Juventus, lowering their average age to 56

[SinNombre]

So four years of very good work from Liverpool to get back to the Top in Europe. Bayern needed also 4 years (2009-2013). Now you may see, what it takes, to get back in. It´s time for ManUtd to start the good work, if u ask me or they still will be compared to AC Milan and only Dreamers will talk about the glory future. Players like De Ligt prefer facts, i guess. The last time ManUtd won the UCL, De Ligt was 8 years old and 11, when ManUtd reached the UCL final for the list time till now. He was 17, when Juve reached their last UCL final.

De Ligt was not even born when Juventus last won the CL. In fact, his parents weren't even in a relationship when they last won the CL.

Behave.


The two reasons MDL is going to Juve is that they are only the club willing to
a. Offer 300k/week to a 19 year old
b. Allow a 120m release clause in his contract.

If he wanted to join a club for "footballing" reasons, he would have joined Barca.

If he wanted a "challenge", he would have joined United.

 

[SinNombre]

BTW it is kind of pathetic for some of these fans of Werder, Juventus to creep out of the woodwork and try to denigrate their hosts. United have been horribly mismanaged in the last 5 years but despite that, even footballing wise, our recent achievements are better than Napoli the 2nd best team in Italy, leave alone Milan who get beaten by the likes of Atalanta and Inter.

Do these silly fans realistically think Napoli could
a. win the europa cup
b. finish 2nd ahead of Liverpool and Spurs in the league
c. beat PSG in a CL knockout
in a 24 months period?


Footballing tiers currently

Tier 1 - Barca, RM, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, PSG, Spurs
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, United, Ajax
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli

 

[golden_blunder]

MDL was obsessed with Ronaldo growing up

 

[Bwuk]

Find it strange it’s taking them to long to confirm everything.

 

[edbe]

We paid 100m+ for Dembele. Clearly we paid for hype.

+ 140m for Coutinho.

 

[edbe]

BTW it is kind of pathetic for some of these fans of Werder, Juventus to creep out of the woodwork and try to denigrate their hosts. United have been horribly mismanaged in the last 5 years but despite that, even footballing wise, our recent achievements are better than Napoli the 2nd best team in Italy, leave alone Milan who get beaten by the likes of Atalanta and Inter.

Do these silly fans realistically think Napoli could
a. win the europa cup
b. finish 2nd ahead of Liverpool and Spurs in the league
c. beat PSG in a CL knockout
in a 24 months period?


Footballing tiers currently

Tier 1 - Barca, RM, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, PSG, Spurs
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, United, Ajax
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

 

[ArjenIsM3]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

Typical cocky Ajax fan

 

[anant]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

Ajax Tier 2?
I'd agree that you had a great last season, but tiers aren't decided on one season alone, but by atleast 3-4 seasons! Hell, I'll put them towards lower end of tier 4 or upper tier 5. Its your Eredivisie title in 5 years(?), a league that's 7th best in Europe at best.
If you're going by last season alone, I'd agree that Ajax should be up there, but then RM should be in tier 4 alongside Utd, (after all their points tally was 2 better than ours, but were worse in Europe than us) and PSG should be tier 3 (Ro16 in Europe, failed to win domestic cup in a one team league)

 

[3KDré]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

There's no way you can have Ajax above Spurs. They were not lucky, they beat City and they deserved it. They beat you and deserved it.

 

[Lash]

Typical cocky Ajax fan

Absolute nonsense isn't it. As if we're in the same league as Porto and Benfica .

 

[Ooge_]

If he wanted a "challenge", he would have joined United.

What kind of challange should that have been? Fullfilling some kind of silly hopes from fans that want a new Messias, which brings back good times to Old Trafford? ManUtd has to fix its structural problems and do good work for ~4 years first. Don´t hope for some Messias to rescue the Club. You see what happens with Pogba.

 

[Ooge_]

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United

To look only at the last season doesn´t give you a good result. Just take the UEFA 5-year Club Ranking*

* 5. Juve; 17. ManUtd
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2019.html

 

[elnorte]

Absolute nonsense isn't it. As if we're in the same league as Porto and Benfica .

Based on last season yes. We were fecking crap and currently remain so.

 

[Lash]

Based on last season yes. We were fecking crap and currently remain so.

Even last year and now, we would have and will, easily beat both of those sides.

 

[Patrick08]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

So RM is tier two after they went out before united? Wow surprising. United did beat juventus and psg in the competition.

 

[Gasolin]

To look only at the last season doesn´t give you a good result. Just take the UEFA 5-year Club Ranking*

* 5. Juve; 17. ManUtd
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2019.html

And Ajax is still below United.

 

[nonetheless]

What kind of challange should that have been? Fullfilling some kind of silly hopes from fans that want a new Messias, which brings back good times to Old Trafford? ManUtd has to fix its structural problems and do good work for ~4 years first. Don´t hope for some Messias to rescue the Club. You see what happens with Pogba.

Totally agree with this, as I wrote in another post the most important thing in a club are not the players nor the coach, but the board and the sport management.
Disappointing results are almost always caused by the lack of a sound strategy

 

[Ooge_]

And Ajax is still below United.

Japp and that´s only fair. One swallow does not make a summer.

 

[giorno]

Even last year and now, we would have and will, easily beat both of those sides.

Porto and Benfica? I dunno man. Didn't you struggle against young boys and valencia?

 

[Lash]

Porto and Benfica? I dunno man. Didn't you struggle against young boys and valencia?

Not really, Didn't you lose to CSKA, twice?

 

[giorno]

Not really, Didn't you lose to CSKA, twice?

Yeah we did. And the second time at home was a humiliation, too. We were pretty crap last season, i'm not sure we were better than Porto or Benfica

 

[elnorte]

Even last year and now, we would have and will, easily beat both of those sides.

United lost plenty of times to sides worse than Porto and Benfica. Even if 'on paper' we 'should' win both those games (and even that is debatable given our squad's outright lack of talent) our form was diabolically bad enough that we could have barely guaranteed beating anyone.

 

[Lash]

Yeah we did. And the second time at home was a humiliation, too. We were pretty crap last season, i'm not sure we were better than Porto or Benfica

Yeah, but you wouldn't say that you wouldn't be able to beat them now would you? We beat both the teams you mentioned and drew and at the time we were playing some of the most tumescent football.

United lost plenty of times to sides worse than Porto and Benfica. Even if 'on paper' we 'should' win both those games (and even that is debatable given our squad's outright lack of talent) our form was diabolically bad enough that we could have barely guaranteed beating anyone.

You're just serially overrating their squads and underrating our squad at the same time.

 

[giorno]

Yeah, but you wouldn't say that you wouldn't be able to beat them now would you? We beat both the teams you mentioned and drew and at the time we were playing some of the most tumescent football.

I don't know, we'll see how good we will be this season

Did you beat Valencia btw? I thought you drew and lost pretty badly(with a chance to win the group on the line)

 

[roonster09]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

 

[Lash]

I don't know, we'll see how good we will be this season

Did you beat Valencia btw? I thought you drew and lost pretty badly(with a chance to win the group on the line)

Ah yes, sorry, my bad. Saw an older result.

I would just take last year as the exception, rather than the rule. People can't seem to make up their mind, whether Mourinho was the problem or the personnel. We're adding to the squad now, have a new style and also shown how we can play under Ole in that purple patch.

 

[elnorte]

You're just serially overrating their squads and underrating our squad at the same time.

In a wider sense it goes without saying that we are on a much higher tier than either of the two Portugal clubs.

However, I'm surprised at your sureness of our ability to win matches in a season where our form was so poor that we were dropping points against sides like Brighton, Crystal Palace, Southampton, Burnley, Huddersfield and Cardiff while being also being soundly beaten by teams including Wolves and Everton.

I'm certainly not saying that we would have therefore definitively lost games to Porto and Benfica but for you to dismiss the notion so freely is strange given the context.

As for this coming season I don't believe, as you do, that our recruitment has been at all special nor do I think there is evidence that Solskjaer has shown signs of a developing a positive new team identity or style.

In terms of this coming season maybe we will be comprehensively beating the likes of Porto (and Southampton too for that matter) but as of right now I don't think we can say this will happen with any degree of certainty given the misery of the last few years.

 

[Lash]

In a wider sense it goes without we are on a much higher tier than either of the two Portugal clubs.

However, I'm surprised at your sureness of our ability to win matches in a season where our form was so poor that we were dropping points against sides like Brighton, Crystal Palace, Southampton, Burnley, Huddersfield and Cardiff while being also being soundly beaten by teams including Wolves and Everton.

I'm certainly not saying that we would have therefore definitively lost games to Porto and Benfica but for you to dismiss the notion so freely is strange given the context.

As for this coming season I don't believe, as you do, that our recruitment has been at all special nor do I think there is evidence that Solskjaer has shown signs of a developing a positive new team identity or style.

In terms of this coming season maybe we will be comprehensively beating the likes of Porto (and Southampton too for that matter) but as of right now I don't think we can say this will happen with any degree of certainty given the misery of the last few years.

Fair enough, can not argue with you seeing another perspective of the same thing and you have your reasons for it. Likewise, I have mine.

I just think the likes of Benfica and Porto are no where near the level of us. I’d say Arsenal would beat them easily as well.

 

[SinNombre]

What kind of challange should that have been? Fullfilling some kind of silly hopes from fans that want a new Messias, which brings back good times to Old Trafford? ManUtd has to fix its structural problems and do good work for ~4 years first. Don´t hope for some Messias to rescue the Club. You see what happens with Pogba.

Ronaldo left United to join RM since he wanted to revive a fallen giant. Cantona left the reigning champions to join United. Countless examples.

That's what the greatest players do, aim for a challenge.

Learn your football history first.

To look only at the last season doesn´t give you a good result. Just take the UEFA 5-year Club Ranking*

* 5. Juve; 17. ManUtd
https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2019.html

5 years back, Liverpool were finishing 7th in the league. It is an eternity, no one cares.

If you want to look at UEFA coefficients, last 3 years are much more indicative.


https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/trank2021.html


United are 8th here which is more reflective of their current strength.

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

As much as you hate it,
Spurs did beat Ajax in the CL
United did beat Ajax in the Europa.

Deal with facts.

So much for luck for teams you don't like. I am guessing in your mental world, Spurs were also lucky when they thrashed BvB, or when United beat Juve in Turin.

 

[giorno]

or when United beat Juve in Turin.

Wait, you think you weren't? Did you watch a different game from the rest of the world?

 

[nonetheless]

So much for luck for teams you don't like. I am guessing in your mental world, Spurs were also lucky when they thrashed BvB, or when United beat Juve in Turin.

ahem yes United was not just lucky, but extremely lucky to get out of Turin with that win, but I guess you must have just watched the result and not the game

 

[Halftrack]

First of all the PSG game came out of nowhere for United, in Paris they're still figuring out how it happened.

Plus United finished 6th this past season.

Spurs had a very Lucky CL season, they won the match/tie 5 times in the final 20 minutes of the games. Against Ajax they were the lesser side, footballing wise. Didn't stand a chance when they played their normal game.

Footballing tiers based on last season:

Tier 1 - Barca, Man City, Liverpool
Tier 2 - Bayern, Juve, RM, PSG, Ajax
Tier 3 - Atletico, BvB, Chelsea, Spurs
Tier 4 - Arsenal, Benfica, Porto, Napoli, United​

If you knew absolutely nothing about football and got presented with a sheet with the final standings in the different competitions, but didn't quite understand everything so you had to guess a bunch, the tiers would probably look a lot like what you just coughed up.

 

[golden_blunder]

Oh guys knock off the dick measuring it’s getting boring

 

[RedorDead21]

If you knew absolutely nothing about football and got presented with a sheet with the final standings in the different competitions, but didn't quite understand everything so you had to guess a bunch, the tiers would probably look a lot like what you just coughed up.

Indeed but repeating this in 2 seasons and everything will be jumbled up again. Things can change quickly. Liverpool for example. It's perhaps not likely but we can jump up a few tiers in 2 seasons if we ever get our act together. Young world class players need to be looking further ahead than next seasons likely CL finalists.

 

[Jimble]

Japp and that´s only fair. One swallow does not make a summer.

it made my summer

 

[el3mel]

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[Bwuk]

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Was wondering what was taking so long.

 

[el3mel]

- Matthijs de Ligt is a new Juventus player: it will become official soon, contract have been signed!
- The Dutch CB will arrive tomorrow night in Torino and he’ll have medicals on Wednesday
- He’ll be paid €75M (add ons included) to Ajax and so he’ll become the most expensive centre back ever in Italy: what a deal!
- De Ligt will sign a contract until June 2024 with Juventus, totally agreed 3 weeks ago

Fabrizio Romano talking about how much Juve paid for him and length of contracts.

 

[giorno]

Was wondering what was taking so long.

Ajax were waiting for the bank to release the surety bond

 

[Andersons Dietician]

At least in 2/3 years we can have a DeLigt prt 2 and see if we can nab him them.