Dribblers?
please refer to the message you quoted.You do know the difference in dribbles per game between Messi and Ronnie don't you? You're being defensive in advance. Anyway, for others, its 5 vs 2 on average.Dribblers?
You can argue that some of those you named were perhaps better playermakers (at least that's a proper position), but dribblers? Since when did dribbling become the main aim of football? Do you also rate Denilson as one of the best ever?
As for fat Ronaldo or Ronaldinho being even in the same conversation?
No I don't and frankly don't care. Dribbling is at best, a side product in attacking play, it is not the aim of the game at all.
Okay. What about when he looked good against Man United in those finals? Or when he put 4 past Arsenal. Or the 6 goals including a hat trick v Man City?
It's easier for a team to score 78 and 76 in league instead of 64 and 58 when you have an U-21 player that can score 14 and 10 goals, instead of 4 or 5. In fact in 2006 Ronaldo scored 9, and united 72.Before the first full season they turned 21:
Messi had played 120 games and scored 42 goals.
Ronaldo had played 168 games and scored 32 goals.
06/07 and 07/08 seasons, Barca scored 78 & 76 goals in La Liga,
Being dominant in La Liga with 76 and 67 point seasons,
So, your excuse in this point is that playing less than Ronaldo actually helped Messi look better than Ronaldo, because if he played more on his first years he surely would struggle more, not like being in and out of the team can mess with your form and numbers.
.Reading your posts in this thread is exactly like reading Donald Trump's Twitter.That I post facts to argue my point? As supposed to just relying on my impression of the world like the Messi brigade
Dribblers?
You can argue that some of those you named were perhaps better playermakers (at least that's a proper position), but dribblers? Since when did dribbling become the main aim of football? Do you also rate Denilson as one of the best ever?
As for fat Ronaldo or Ronaldinho being even in the same conversation?
Yes, dribblers. Because dribbling is one of the best approaches on creating numerical superiority and thus chances. Do you really think it is a coincidence that among the players I've enlisted Ronaldo is the worst at dribbling? Do you think there is one single "great" who wasn't world class in terms of dribbling?Dribblers?
You can argue that some of those you named were perhaps better playermakers (at least that's a proper position), but dribblers? Since when did dribbling become the main aim of football? Do you also rate Denilson as one of the best ever?
As for fat Ronaldo or Ronaldinho being even in the same conversation?
Dribblers?
You can argue that some of those you named were perhaps better playermakers (at least that's a proper position), but dribblers? Since when did dribbling become the main aim of football? Do you also rate Denilson as one of the best ever?
I can't tell whether you're a genius or completely insane.Something we can agree on.
As I've pointed out many times and you continue to ignore, Ronaldo was played much further from the opposition goal than Messi was.
First we're talking about goal scoring, now you've suddenly decided to go to points accumulated because it suits your point better?
It's not an excuse, it's just a fact. If you average 1 goal every 5 games for at a young age, the more games you play back then, the more it screws up the overall goalscoring ratio.So, your excuse in this point is that playing less than Ronaldo actually helped Messi look better than Ronaldo, because if he played more on his first years he surely would struggle more, not like being in and out of the team can mess with your form and numbers.
And if Ronaldo played further from the goal it was because SAF, the best manager in history, didn't deem him good enough to play further up, as he started scoring, he got to play closer.
But that's still part of what's considered being a better goal scorer through your whole career
Yet he ignores the fact that Messi has played further away from goal than Ronaldo in the last 5 years, but still managed to score similar amounts whilst assistsing more.
That's just, absurd. If you seriously think of dribbling as some kind of vital attribute in footballers, I don't know what to say.
Di Stefano? Actually I am not sure about that one, but I never heard people say he is great dribbler, and from the very few footages I watched, his dribbling was way less impressive than Ronaldo's youtube dribbling video.
Since 13/14, Ronaldo has outscored Messi in 4 out of 5 seasons.
Are you saying being able to dribble the ball well is not a vital part for an attacking player? That's silly even for your standards. Players that can beat a man while dribbling are sought after for a reason. They're scarce and beating a man one on one automatically gives you the advantage of numbers. It's not the be all and end all of football since you don't get points for a dribble, but saying it's at best a side product of attacking play is ludicrous.That's just, absurd. If you seriously think of dribbling as some kind of vital attribute in footballers, I don't know what to say.
Dribbling is, at best, a side product of attacking play and dribbling for dribbling's sake is just as bad as passing for passing's sake.
Blue part, you're entitled to a opinion. Let's just say Cristiano's worst season in the last decade was better than Luiz' best ever.
Red part, are you sure? The assists figures don't go back that much, but are you sure any of them beat Cristiano Ronaldo is terms of assists?
This is obviously because Messi was busy dazzling us all with his close control and experimentations with hair color and beard length.
Don't forget starring in those 'awesome' lays commercials
There are plenty of attributes that are a lot more important than dribbling: shooting, passing, crossing, pace, timing, etc. Dribbling comes quite far down the list.
You do realise that since Ronaldo moved to La Liga, Messi has scored and assisted more than Ronaldo. Here are the figures
Thank you, it's not even close especially when it comes to assists.
Ronaldo has scored more than Messi in La Liga & Champions League since 09/10.
Funny how it was all about games to goal ratio earlier when talking about all time goals. Suddenly everything changed.
You are actually correct. Ronaldo did score more goals in recent 4 to 5 years, but Messi scored more overall (especially in 2012), in all competition (including cups other than league and CL), but more appearances though.
What list? The list differs from player to player and from position to position. You can't say for instance crossing is more important than dribbling period, that's just silly. I would type some examples, but I don't really have to explain that a winger has more use for dribbling than a striker and a central midfielder has more use for passing than a goal keeper, do I?
So Messi had one year of great form in 2012, scores more in the lesser competitions like Copa del Rey. Glad we cleared that up.
It's the Messi brigade and their obsession with dribbling being the ultimate attribute for footballers.
It's not just dribbling though is it? Messi is a better passer and creator.
Being able to head like Ronaldo leads to goals being scored that otherwise wouldn't have been?
A headerer, a Shooter or a holding up the baller aren't positions either you utter madman.
Dribbling is an action, part of a skill set. No one is saying it's the main aim of football or a position.
Does being able to dribble as well as someone like Messi lead to chances that otherwise wouldn't have been there?
And picking Denilson to make that point, he could dribble and literally nothing else.
It was already pointed out many times that Ronaldo assisted more than Messi in the CL.
We've obviously not going to agree on any of this. In order to make Messi look good, you'll insist on dribbling being the most important aspect of football. I disagree.
Okay so i didn’t mention the appearances, but Messi scored 18 more goals and 50 assists more in only 30 more appearances.
Talk about using stats to fit your argument. So Cup games don’t count now do they. Messi involved in 68 more goals in 30 more appearances since moving to La Liga. In 09 Ronaldo was 24 Messi was 21, and still has more goals and assists.
Yet Messi has a higher goals to games ratio and assist ratio in their careers.Funny how it was all about games to goal ratio earlier when talking about all time goals. Suddenly everything changed.
Assists and Playmaking/passing are not same thing though buddy.
It is true that most clubs don't care about domestic clubs nowadays. No?
It’s not disrespectful to Ronaldo at all what are you on about?!
Of course clubs care about domestic cups, maybe not the league cup as much but spanish clubs do care about the Del Rey and english the FA Cup. Why do they play their best or almost best teams if they dont care?It is true that most clubs don't care about domestic clubs nowadays. No?
Also, please stop adding goals and assists, it just makes no sense at all.
