Perhaps because he's a club legend who has won more for us than most players?? As for cheats relentlessly, the other guy doesn't?
The Messi brigade at its finest again, nothing but their view stated as incontrovertible facts.
Managers say all sorts of things, Jose changed his mind after falling out with Ronaldo.
Well, yes, that's the whole point of forums.
So then they do care about it and Ronaldo shit the bed early in the season and cost them a chance at it right? Just admit it, it will make you feel good buddy.Perhaps because he's a club legend who has won more for us than most players?? As for cheats relentlessly, the other guy doesn't?
The Messi brigade at its finest again, nothing but their view stated as incontrovertible facts.
Managers say all sorts of things, Jose changed his mind after falling out with Ronaldo.
I did not say Madrid don't care about La Liga (please stop inventing things I "say"), I said they prioritize the CL.
Well, yes, that's the whole point of forums.
Messi shit the bed in the CL again and again.
Thats not what I asked buddy, I've already said in this thread that Messi shit the bed in the CL. I don't love Messi nor do I hate Ronaldo.Messi shit the bed in the CL again and again.
The last time Messi scored in the CL QF, he was leading 4-1 in Ballon D'or.
@Bojan11 sums it up nicely. Only thing I have to add is that after a player reached such heights and has his heart set on a childhood club you have a couple angles to take as a United fan:
Brillant post.
I think it was more like a freeroll, so not very much pressure. If he scores he can be the hero, if he doesn't score, Real will be one player more for 30 Minutes and pretty sure still win. Pressure would be if he missed they go out.
So I voted for Messi in this poll, but to be perfectly honest. I think I would change that vote now when given the chance. It might be recency bias, but when the dust settles a career is defined by a few key moments. We remember Maradona for his dribble against England. However, if that last defender had dispossessed him, I wonder if we would've ever seen that, still magnificent, dribble. He would still be that great player, but slightly less great. Arjen Robben has had a fantastic career and won many prices, but he could've been the biggest hero in our country's history if his effort in 2010 was 5 centimeters higher and went over Casillas' foot. It's these tiny moments that define you and in this regard, over the past few years, it's these moments that Ronaldo has capitalized on.
I still think that Messi is inherently a more talented football player who can do more with a ball, but who cares. Ronaldo wasn't amazing yesterday, but when the time came to step up, he smashed that penalty in the top corner. Messi on the other hand, had a chance, be it not a great chance, to get the deciding goal, but failed. All his natural talent didn't count for anything there. The next part might be kneejerk, but as Cal? said a few days ago, I can see Ronaldo retiring after Messi. He just has this ridiculous inner fire, this drive to succeed. Somewhere near the end of the match yesterday Ronaldo nicked the ball of a Juve player with a tackle for it to go out of touch and he looked to the crowd with his arms raised and screamed. He was never gonna fecking lose that match, it was simply inevitable that he'd decide the tie (I actually said this in this thread).
TL;DR?
I would vote for Ronaldo, when asked again.
And for what it's worth, I dislike Ronaldo very much and think he's a narcistic wanker, but golly, he just deserves the nod at the moment.
Well as it stands I voted for Definitely not Messi, so I guess that's thatWell said and I agree - Ronaldo’s legacy is definitely more impressive and positive than Messi’s unless something changes drastically.
As for the vote, you can always change it
Put Messi on #1 ranked Argentina and he fails to score a single goal in the knockout stage of the World Cup & chokes in the Copa del Rey multiple times.
That is nonsense.
Win 3 World Cups. Pele is the greatest of all time I am afraid.
Because Ronaldo is a goalscorer as Muller and Messi is a play maker that scores.
Not really. Ronaldo was an exceptional dribbler till about 2 years ago. Right now he maybe worse off but who isn’t going to be at that age? I’m sure everyone of the best players that you mentioned had a significant dip in their dribbling once they reached 32 (Ronaldo’s age). What many of the them failed is in adapting the gameplay in such a way that they still remain vital to a big club. This is why you had Ronaldinho having to leave barca and later Milan. 2-3 years ago, Ronaldo was more of a dribbler and had better tricks than Messi did. I don’t remember it being seen as a pro for Ronaldo at the time. Which is why I say his dribbling or lack of it now cannot be seen as a negative.
Yes, Messi only gets to win things when Ronaldo is in bad form nowadays.
Honest question, don't you get tired of posting these unintelligent one-liners the sole purpose of which is to troll and wum? Must need extraordinary perseverance to keep on posting in this line when most are trying to have a meaningful debate. Notice how almost 95% of the posters, from both the sides, do not reply to you
Messi is rarely off form though. Which has to be counted in his favour ahead of Ronaldo. He doesn’t score in 2 CL games, doesn’t make him poor or off form.
Complete? I can understand why some people think Messi is better at passing, dribbling, but more complete? That's as far from the truth as you can get when comparing with Ronaldo. Messi is amazingly good at certain things, but awful in others; whereas with Ronaldo, he doesn't have any obvious weakness, there's he's by far the more "complete" player of the two.
Ronaldo was never an exceptional dribbler. Doing a lot of step overs don't make someone a good dribbler. He used to attempt to beat his man more often, but rightly eliminated that part of his game, because he wasnt as effective that way. I'm not saying he's a bad dribbler ofcourse, he's still very good, but never world class at that part of his game. As for age, I doubt that has anything to do with dribbling skill. I'm quite sure even now, Maradona is still a great dribbler, albeit an old and fat one.
Yes he was poor to begin the year so what. Is that the end of the world? No, because as aforementioned, Madrid have made it clear over the years they prioritize the CL over everything else.
Your argument here is poor.
I don’t know. One could argue Pele wasn’t as great dribbler as Maradona, but still regarded by many as the greater player (or equal at the very least). Di Stefano wasn’t as great dribbler as Cruyff, but most would put them at least in same tier, or even higher.
Messi has not scored a single CL QF goal since 2013, rarely off form?
Wow you really are clutching at straws here.
I agree, I'm not saying that a better dribbler is always a better footballer, just that Ronaldo was never a fantastic dribbler.
Was this chance actually harder than a penalty?
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I mean, I guess he’s not wrong considering that is his regular formMessi has not scored a single CL QF goal since 2013, rarely off form?
Don't distort his quote!
Barca won the CL in 2015. Messi was the best player in the final. Just becaue he didn’t score doesn’t mean he was poor.Messi has not scored a single CL QF goal since 2013, rarely off form?
My mistakeI mean, I guess he’s not wrong considering that is his regular form
I bet it always is an aim of theirs, just not their top priority. Kings of Europe > Local champion.
The ref forgot to gift them a pen in minute 93.
Did I say he was poor in the CL final 2015?
You guys are really ridiculous trying to fit everything around your agenda.
