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Sorry but I knew Zehner would be in here soon giving us all sorts of mental gymnastic techniques on how trophies mean nothing and Messi just better because it just is that way.
No its not about intagible things. Its about goals and trophies.Football is about intangible things though. The issue is, Ronaldo won't convince me he's better by doing the things he always did or in other words: scoring. Fair enough, an important part of the game, but there's so much more to it and Messi dwarfs him in everything that is not related to putting the ball into the back of the net. People nowadays are only willing to give credit to a player at this level if he wins the CL. You'll see it at Ronaldo. If Juve won't win it, nobody will give two shits about his performance today and it was the same with various brillant performances Messi had since his last CL win. From a logical point of view this whole argumentation makes no sense at all.
If we just look at the facts, Ronaldo today scored two headers and converted a penalty. Are these the things that determine a great or possibly even best player ever? Did you admire Zidane for his goals? Or Ronaldinho? Laudrup? Maradona?
What impresses me about Cristiano is his incredible consistency and mental strength but rarely his actual plays. If that's what makes up a the quality of a player for you, then fair enough. To me it doesn't. So I'll acknowledge what he accomplishes and enjoy the being alive while he writes his story but I'm sorry, until he starts playing better than Messi he won't convince me he's better.
Ironically, I think the version of Cristiano that won the least international titles was the best. A real force of nature and able to create his goals singlehandedly as well as setting up others. The one that won 3 or even 4 of his 5 CLs and holds the record for the most goals in a CL campaign, not so much.
I actually think it is the other way round. Ronaldo depends more on them because he is less involved. If his team mates are unable to build up on their own, the later Ronaldo will be a passenger waiting for a ball up front. Messi on the other hand will drop deep and pick up the ball in order to get things going himself. When people say Ronaldo carried a team, they usually mean that he scored many goals for them. When people speak of Messi carrying a team, they mean that this is really a one man show, not only the goals. It's worth noting that Messi scores and assists at a similar rate as in his record season by the way. I also think luck plays a big part. AS good as Real was, they still had much luck in their winning campaigns. Luck Barca was often missing. I don't think it is a coincidence that Barca still got the better of Real Madrid more often than not when they faced each other. Overall they were a superior team but cup competitions simply have their own laws.Sneaky. Also I'd say that Messi has comfortably had better teammates throughout their respective careers. I'd also say that Messi's teammates have played a bigger factor in his success than Ronaldo's. I believe there is a reason to this, Messi is more involved in the build-up and so is more reliant on other players in big moments. You can see that the 'prime Messi' did not have this aspect to his play, he would just dribble past 3-4 players and score, but now he feeds other players because he has declined physically.
I would say that despite Messi being far more talented, the way he developed his game meant that he suffered more with age than Ronaldo. In my opinion Messi has a far better prime, but Ronaldo has a far better general career.
Messi's won more trophies though.Sorry but I knew Zehner would be in here soon giving us all sorts of mental gymnastic techniques on how trophies mean nothing and Messi just better because it just is that way.
Yeah, and you win trophies by doing intangible things. I know you like keeping football simple and I like seeing it complicated but personally I prefer being in the Pep Guardiola camp than in the one of Sam Allardyce.No its not about intagible things. Its about goals and trophies.
Of course there's freestyling with a football. You can go enjoy that.
Reminds me of guitar players who only care about shredding and guitar speed. The best songs are the simplest.
Funny stuff.We have clear evidence that Messi is a failure outside of Barcelona. He won nothing with Argentina. Lost 3 Copa America finals and lost a World Cup final.
Yep, it's quite funny how he keeps bottling it. Sanchez delivered two Copa's for Chile, both against Messi's Argentina.Funny stuff.
This happens every year.If he wins the CL with Juve I reckon that puts him as the greatest ever.
Should have added ‘without any doubt at all’ to my post. 6 CLs with 3 different clubs would be mental.This happens every year.
"If Real Madrid win La Decima Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win La Decima
"If Portugal win [insert international tournament here] Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Portugal win the Euros
"If Real Madrid become the first team to win back-to-back CLs Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win back-to-back CLs
"Never mind back-to-back. If Real win three CLs in a row Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win three CLs in a row
"Ronaldo has to win the CL with Juve to be the greatest ever."
Ronaldo: "Hold my non-alcoholic beer."
Which side is landing the final blow in the end though?literally this thread
And ronaldo has done it at 3 teams so far potentially turning 4 end of season. /How many individual records does messi hold?
maybe ronaldo had a better career but that does not make him better
Modric, kroos, benzema etc all have 3 CLs in a row..are they also contenders for best-player-ever?
Teams win trophys, not single players
True. I feel like it'll keep going on like this till the guy retires or plays at a lower level.This happens every year.
"If Real Madrid win La Decima Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win La Decima
"If Portugal win [insert international tournament here] Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Portugal win the Euros
"If Real Madrid become the first team to win back-to-back CLs Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win back-to-back CLs
"Never mind back-to-back. If Real win three CLs in a row Ronaldo will be the greatest ever."
Real Madrid win three CLs in a row
"Ronaldo has to win the CL with Juve to be the greatest ever."
Ronaldo: "Hold my non-alcoholic beer."
Messi has been fantastic in recent years wtfPeople saying that messi's performances has been dying down for the last 4 years.
Has anyone been retiring from Barcelona during this period?
Imagine if it’s for the CL finalif juve draws Barcelona this thread will descend into a madness.
probably the biggest sporting event of the modern timesImagine if it’s for the CL final
Yeah but arent you also of the kroos better than BST camp?Yeah, and you win trophies by doing intangible things. I know you like keeping football simple and I like seeing it complicated but personally I prefer being in the Pep Guardiola camp than in the one of Sam Allardyce.
Long may it continue its a privilege to be honest.Looks like this year will be Messi vs Ronaldo year again. The era never ends.
You don't enjoy watching the best footballer play football. I can understand that.You guys have no idea how much I hope Messi gets knocked out tomorrow.
Why?You guys have no idea how much I hope Messi gets knocked out tomorrow.
I like Ronaldo better and I can't stand all the obsessed Messi fans who make it a matter of life or death to shit on Cristiano everywhere on the internet.Why?
Why not just... enjoy the brilliance of both, and not worry about enforcing an agenda on the internetI like Ronaldo better and I can't stand all the obsessed Messi fans who make it a matter of life or death to shit on Cristiano everywhere on the internet.
Other players come in and take their place like it always happens.I don’t know what will happen to football when these two decide to hang up their boots.
Not nearly close to the same level of excellence and consistency though, they've been at it for more than a decade.Other players come in and take their place like it always happens.
Some say it as a joke, some really believe it. I'm like you, it irks me the same. It's a bit disrespectfulProblem with this debate is people make it too personal, with their own favourite instead of a) enjoying both players b) trying to keep a cool head when discussing both knowing full well that the narrative could change with each passing season as both their careers are still very much alive at the highest level.
I remember I was of the opinion Ronaldo was better (whilst he was with us) then Messi was better (during his pomp under Pep and since) and fair play to Ronaldo - he’s made what look like a one sided debate by this stage, a proper two horse race again that honesty he could go on and win if he keeps producing iconic performances like yesterday.
Best to keep an open mind, enjoy the competition between them and make the final call when their careers are over.
One thing that slightly irks me is this GOAT stuff - as if likes of Pele or Di Stefano for example don’t have equally comparable legacies and clutch performances in their heyday. There are other contenders out there outside of the Messi v Ronaldo battle.