You know you have to stay out of this thread when there are people saying Messi isnt a playmaker. Delusional people spotted. Be aware. Stay out.
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I think this is the most stupid thing ive read in this thread. Saying that Messi isnt a playmaker is like saying Özil isnt a playmaker. He's not a cm metronome, but neither was some of greatest playmakers in history like M. Laudrup or Maradonna
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By your "smart" definition most attackers are playmaker.
Even lingard is playmaker. Just less successful. Because.. hey... as long as he assist and create.
What makes Messi not a playmaker? Do you not consider Cryuff and Maradonna playmakers either?
Messi is not a playmaker 
, next Messi is not even a dribbler, he just runs with the ball.
, next Messi is not even a dribbler, he just runs with the ball.True. One trick pony. Cant even do stepover.Messi is not a playmaker
Messi not being a playmaker is on the Mt Rushmore of the most idiotic football takes.
You got to laugh when the Messi brigade pretends CL MotM awards are a good indicator in this argument.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
Trophies - not down to one playerYou got to laugh when the Messi brigade pretends CL MotM awards are a good indicator in this argument.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
Goals - role dependent
Assists- also role dependent
Not that goals or assists or even trophies point to Cr7 by the way...
He's talking about the CL
But in general I think motm awards are not a stat in this conversation. Awards for being the best player on the pitch are fairly meaningfull.
Agreed that motm awards are definitely meaningful here, but to dismiss trophies as 'not down to one player' (as the last poster did) at the same time is to ignore the fact that the team on which an motm plays usually affords them the platform to play to that level. This seems particularly true with Messi (and Ronnie tbf) - who had a team (and some could argue a club) built around him with the specific intention of catering to him. Motm awards are then easier to come by. Again, I do think it's a useful metric but should be examined in context.
I definitely think so. I wasn't dismissing the trophies argument really only that has a context as well which we keep going over and over again. It was also about stuff like goals, assists etc. In the 2009 final, you would think that Messi was motm because he got on the scoresheet, but actually it was Iniesta who bossed that match. I agree it's easier for Messi and Ronaldo to get motm awards with teams built around them, but there is still a rather large gap between their motm awards also keeping in mind that Ronaldo has played something like 140 more matches.
Agreed on all points!
Ronaldo now also beat Messi at being beaten by Liverpool damn.
Will he take reponsibility for not playing CB?
well Liverpool is not Luxembourg.
Has Ronaldo scored a goal from outside the box yet?
For a supposedly "more complete" player he seems pretty one dimensional.
For a supposedly "more complete" player he seems pretty one dimensional.
He's a almost 37 year old penalty box striker this days. Not really much point trying to pretend this is prime Ronaldo.
Guess the god of clutches and the pinnicle of humankind’s mentality could not clutch out a single goal this time using his supreme will of steel
That was a lashout yesterday and I feel he was very very lucky to get away with just a yellow. I have yet to see Messi lash out like that, but Ronaldo has this side to him and I think it makes him what he is. There's this inner lion that cannot accept things going horribly wrong.
How About playing well and try not to leave his Team with ten men? It's a team sport
He did clutch a offside goal tbf.
Messi literally punched someone last season
His name is Leo for a reason.Messi literally punched someone last season
Kicking a man while he's down is being a lion now?
Lions eat men while they're down, so, maybe?Kicking a man while he's down is being a lion now?
That would rather apply to Suarez, then
Suarez is more like a Hyena really.
Please explain why MOTM is a less good indicator than any of the other things you mentioned in determining which player has performed better.You got to laugh when the Messi brigade pretends CL MotM awards are a good indicator in this argument.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
MOTM is a better indicator, trophies are collective.You got to laugh when the Messi brigade pretends CL MotM awards are a good indicator in this argument.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
Would you say David Villa is a better player than Cristiano cause he won World Cup with Spain, while Cristiano barely can pass group stage with Portugal struggling to even beat the likes or Iran and Morocco?
Also based on assists Messi is better than Cristiano, the only argument Cristiano has over Messi is winning more Champions Leagues( a collective trophy).
If that's the case i guess Origi is better player than Zlatan and Bonucci.
Generally agree, just want to point out that CR has more assists than Messi in the CL. However, he has of course played many more games.
Because you can win trophies sitting on the bench and you can have goals and assists and still have a piss poor game.You got to laugh when the Messi brigade pretends CL MotM awards are a good indicator in this argument.
Forget trophies, goals, assists, everything that points to Ronaldo; rely on MoTM awards decided by some random person somewhere.
MotM tells you that you were voted best player on the pitch and that's why it's a good indicator.
Did you ever see a player win the MotM award sitting on the bench?
I know, i was talking about assists in their whole career, not just Champions League...Messi has more.
Ronaldo has now the record of most goals scored in the Euro, 10 vs 9 scored by Platini, however Platini scored those 9 goals in one edition, Ronaldo needed 5 euros to score those 10 goals.
And let's not forget than in Euro 2016 the best player was Griezmann, not Cristiano... despite Portugal winning the trophy.
Is someone forcing you to stay in this thread? Blink twice if you are being held hostage.
Not agreeing with opinions is fine (Messi is a playmaker imo) but what does this post serve at all? Different people have different opinions in a hotly debated topic, shocker.
Didn't he grab someone by the throat too?Messi literally punched someone last season
It's like two sides which are completely delusional about the other.
Its just a mindboggling view to have(Messi not being a playmaker). An interesting discussion could be though at what point does a player deserve to be labelled a playmaker.
I think he just wanted to make clear that the opinion of Messi being not a playmaker is absolutely idiotic. We all can have opinions but there has to be certain level of quality otherwise it's absolutely pointless.
and that’s the other difference with Messi and Ronaldo. Messi can win MOTM without scoring or assisting where you’ll never get that with Ronaldo.
But isn’t that why this is easily the most enjoyable thread in the history of the internet? We need some insanely moronic takes with some legit well written ones sprinkled on. It’s the chaos that has this topic thrive so much on here. It attracts all walks of life.
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