I think you are the one getting emotional on Ronaldo’s goal records here. It’s getting very boring with all same generic response from yours, which demonstrate a lack of common sense and basic reasonings.
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He is saying Messi "crushed" Ronaldo in the Balon'dor 
This guy is definitely still sleeping with his Action Man toy.
This guy is definitely still sleeping with his Action Man toy.
I remember jaime redknapp in a homoerotic way commenting on Ronaldos body while he was still young and learning and fergie told him "in a few years he will be the best in the world". What i meant Ronaldo has incredible athletic genetics but also the attitude to make the most of it. Messi no matter how much tried could have milage of Ronaldo.
2 more golden balls is quite a lot at this stage.He is saying Messi "crushed" Ronaldo in the Balon'dor
This guy is definitely still sleeping with his Action Man toy.
“The thing which unites Pele, Maradona and Ronaldo is them being insecure about Messi”
ok this makes me a good laugh, and I mean it not in a sarcastic way. It’s really good one for a laugh, regardless of which side you are on.The One thing I've been really excited about in the news is the talk of Xavi wanting to bring Messi back to Barcelona.
It would be great to watch him go from "turning too old" to turning back to a 50 a season scoring machine.
It would be great to watch him go from "turning too old" to turning back to a 50 a season scoring machine.
Maybe for you, but ultimately when new kids one day type in Google to find out about their new love for football - I have a teeny weeny feeling they will type to find who has scored the most goals in a Footballing career rather than who won the most Golden balls
Not with the way they’re giving them out these days.
It’s normal that most people would have similar expectation. As one is in playing in tougher league with struggling side, the other is playing in dominant side in farmers league. But I still believes Messi would be putting up those numbers once he gets going with the team. I remember last season he starts slowly too, doesn’t stop him from hitting his top form later on.
Well what’s happened is that Ronaldo and United are 7th and out of the title race when he was bought to challenge for the title after United finished second last year. Meanwhile PSG, who also finished second last season are 12 points clear at the top of Ligue Un. Messi was brought in to win the Champions League, we’ll see if that happens. My prediction is they will get much stronger in 2022. Watch out.
This is true. He can easily catch up. He has one goal in the league and 3 goals in the CL v Ronaldo’s 6 goals in the league and 6 in the CL (I think). I recall previous seasons where Messi spotted Ronaldo a similar lead and caught up.
Remember, before the Arsenal game, Ronaldo had scored 1 goal in the previous 8 league games (the run that included all the pastings by Liverpool, City, Watford etc.). The good thing from Ronaldo’s point of view is that United have got a run of very winnable games coming up against middling to poor opponents. It’s the perfect time for Rangnick to come in as well.
fecking hell, the bias to make out PSG sitting at the top is:
A: in any way impressive. This team has been comfortable at the top of ligue 1 for about 3200 of the last 3500 days.
B: has much to do with a guy who’s played a grand total of 595 ligue 1 minutes and scored 1 goal (for comparison Mbappe has played 1324 and scored 7).
Some of you utterly embarrass yourself when you dig your trench and back your man regardless. Ronaldo’s unquestionably far outperformed him in a far stronger league, so far. If Messi picks up and has a cracking Ligue 1 and CL campaign, by all means, start talking like this, but at this point it just seems bizarrely desperate, and almost religious like in it’s worship.
Triggered by facts I see. Let me paint a little picture for you so you understand what I’m saying.
Let’s say PSG finished second last season (they did). Now let’s say they bought a bunch of new players to add to their already strong squad (they did). Now let’s say Messi scored 12 goals in 16 games but failed to score in an 8 game stretch that included thumpings by Marseille, Lille, Rennes and Monaco and as a result PSG were sitting seventh in the table (a stretch, but use your imagination).
Now in that scenario, would Ronaldo fans say ‘well Messi is doing his job, you can’t blame him for the bad manager/defence/midfield/team that cost a billion.’ Or would they blame Messi? Would they say that he ‘ghosted’ in the big games against Marseille etc? Be honest now.
The fact of the matter is that Man United’s squad cost a billion or thereabouts. They finished third two seasons ago and second last season. They broke a record for away games unbeaten last season. Ronaldo has come in, scored 6 league goals and they are seventh. Last week they were ninth.
Now Ole was blamed for all this and maybe rightly so (despite the fact that he finished second last year). Now he’s gone. We’ll see what happens. But the fact is, Ronaldo’s come in and the team has gotten much worse. You can bleat as much as you want but that’s the truth.
Again, the irony must be lost on you. If you'd like to keep lashing out with childish insults, go ahead. It isn't going to change the fact that Messi ended your hero's balon d'Or dream. Carry on embarassing yourself while I sit here enjoying it unfold
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Au contraire! I'm here enjoying the fact that Messi ended your hero's balon d'Or dream, and the meltdowns it seems to have catalyzed. Your emotional posts and lashing out bespeak insecurity and anger, and I for one find it delectable
What because the Journalists chose to
fecking Pele didn't win a single one!
It means all to you because my boy is winning more CL'S than him and going to be the world's first 1000 goalscorer
Watching kids like you growing up on the Internet typing in who scored the most goals - Ronaldo at 1000!
It's the question every single person wanted to know when they first watched football - who scored the most goals
Was it Messi? Unfortunately no. It was Ronaldo, and Ronaldo not playing at Barcelona the Possesion Buffet - but all 3 tough leagues of this world.
What a bloody legend
Look at this beautiful rant! You still haven't effectively responded, unfortunately. Ronaldo values the Balón D'or more than cumulative goals, and there's a reason for that. He's going to go down as a lesser player now that Messi has ended the raceWhat because the Journalists chose to
fecking Pele didn't win a single one!
It means all to you because my boy is winning more CL'S than him and going to be the world's first 1000 goalscorer
Watching kids like you growing up on the Internet typing in who scored the most goals - Ronaldo at 1000!
It's the question every single person wanted to know when they first watched football - who scored the most goals
Was it Messi? Unfortunately no. It was Ronaldo, and Ronaldo not playing at Barcelona the Possesion Buffet - but all 3 tough leagues of this world.
What a bloody legend
Agreed. Easily Austin.
As for the bolded, remind me again where we went out in the CL last season?
We had just 6 more points at this stage in the league last season, and we hadn’t faced Liverpool yet. We’d taken a real good twatting from Spurs mind.
So “much worse” my arse. We were utterly shite last season, for long long spells. At least this season we have a man bailing out the shiteness and ensuring we don’t end up in the Europa League again, because make no mistake, without him that’s exactly where we’re playing again.
I don’t give a shit about your stupid “let’s pretend scenario”, not least because Ligue 1 has only one side in it of the quality of Leicester, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and City so the argument would be fecking ridiculous. Let’s instead pretend Messi was at United having Ronaldo’s season and vice versa, of fecking course we’d all be saying Messi is having a much better season in a much harder league.
Ronaldo is clearly having a better season, in a harder league, in a worse team, than Messi.
There’s no fecking debate there unless you’re an utterly deluded fanboi of either player. Don’t be that person, people will take your opinion much more seriously if you could just say, “yup, Ronaldo’s started better but it’s a long season”.
I personally expect Messi to do a similar thing to last season and absolutely smash it.
Kin ell man, get a grip of your worship.
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Nobody cares about goal total. Nobody Googles "who scored the most goals", kids want to see clips of impressive plays, flicks, tricks, amazing goals. I always find it ridiculous when Pele argues about that, it's irrelevant and depend far too much on longevity. Pele is a football legend because he invented a playstyle and flicks that are still used 60 years later, not because he scored more goals, otherwise players would sign in 3rd division in Canada so they can score 25 goals per game and be the undisputed GOAT at 26 after scoring 3500.What because the Journalists chose to
fecking Pele didn't win a single one!
It means all to you because my boy is winning more CL'S than him and going to be the world's first 1000 goalscorer
Watching kids like you growing up on the Internet typing in who scored the most goals - Ronaldo at 1000!
It's the question every single person wanted to know when they first watched football - who scored the most goals
Was it Messi? Unfortunately no. It was Ronaldo, and Ronaldo not playing at Barcelona the Possesion Buffet - but all 3 tough leagues of this world.
What a bloody legend
As for the bolded, remind me again where we went out in the CL last season?
We had just 6 more points at this stage in the league last season, and we hadn’t faced Liverpool yet. We’d taken a real good twatting from Spurs mind.
So “much worse” my arse. We were utterly shite last season, for long long spells. At least this season we have a man bailing out the shiteness and ensuring we don’t end up in the Europa League again, because make no mistake, without him that’s exactly where we’re playing again.
I don’t give a shit about your stupid “let’s pretend scenario”, not least because Ligue 1 has only one side in it of the quality of Leicester, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool and City so the argument would be fecking ridiculous. Let’s instead pretend Messi was at United having Ronaldo’s season and vice versa, of fecking course we’d all be saying Messi is having a much better season in a much harder league.
Ronaldo is clearly having a better season, in a harder league, in a worse team, than Messi.
There’s no fecking debate there unless you’re an utterly deluded fanboi of either player. Don’t be that person, people will take your opinion much more seriously if you could just say, “yup, Ronaldo’s started better but it’s a long season”.
I personally expect Messi to do a similar thing to last season and absolutely smash it.
Kin ell man, get a grip of your worship.
I don’t worship any football player, I’m just pointing out to you that whether the team wins or not is important. Players can affect teams and games in other ways than scoring. PSG are a lot better off (despite lacklustre performances - but they had those last season), Man United are worse off despite spending a truckload more money.
What you believe to be the causes of those trends is up to you.
I adore Messi but people downplaying Ronaldo’s 800 goals is…odd
Beware, he is now gonna mention that PL is the best league, so is harder...but West Ham who doesn't have a single top player in their starting XI is in 4th position now competing for a CL spot, all that spending way less than United.
I’m a football fan, I think they are both fecking incredible. I’ve gone from one to the other throughout spells of their careers on who I thought was best. I’m at a stage where it’s better not to think about it, and just marvel at what the pair of them have managed, it really is ridiculous. You wouldn’t have believed it possible and thought someone was smoking something if they suggested it back in 2005.
It's not about downplaying but Bebestation makes it looks like it's the utlimate stat that shows Ronaldo's superiorty, that kids are going to google in 20 years to figure out who's the GOAT. Nobody does that, it's an impressive stat for sure but it doesn't tip the scale in any way.
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So the Premier League isn’t harder than Ligue one is for PSG? Good to know.
And what is with that bizarre “beware” comment? I’m neither for Ronaldo or Messi in this debate, my simple point is that it’s without any doubt that Ronaldo has started much better at his new club.
Is the level of debate in here really that thick as pig shit stupid, that we’re debating who’s started better? Kin ell, I think even daydreamer would concede that one.
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Not in todays football. individualism is being coached out of the game. Kids want to see winners and great goals
It is, but let's not pretend that isn't a failure for United if they don't get the 4th spot for CL.
I can understand not winning the league, but getting outcompeted by West Ham o maybe Leicester it's a different thing, just like it was a failure for PSG losing the league to Lille.
United must not lose the 4th spot for CL in the hands of Leicester,West Ham, or Arsenal.
That was because South American players weren't allowed back then, but the judges went back and said he would have won 7 Ballon d'Ors, the same as Messi. Fitting then that Messi equalled him this year as the two best players of all-time.What because the Journalists chose to
fecking Pele didn't win a single one!
It means all to you because my boy is winning more CL'S than him and going to be the world's first 1000 goalscorer
Watching kids like you growing up on the Internet typing in who scored the most goals - Ronaldo at 1000!
It's the question every single person wanted to know when they first watched football - who scored the most goals
Was it Messi? Unfortunately no. It was Ronaldo, and Ronaldo not playing at Barcelona the Possesion Buffet - but all 3 tough leagues of this world.
What a bloody legend
Who on Earth do you think you’re talking to? I’ve called for Ole’s head on multiple occasions over the past 3 years, I’m the opposite of someone pretending. 4th is a failure with this group if we’re a long way off 3rd.
We’ve just sacked that manager because no one is pretending, absolutely no one.
You’re creating a bizarre debate that no-one is having. The only thing to “beware” of currently in this thread is the absolute nutters who are trying to pretend that Ronaldo is not clearly having a better start to this current season than Messi.
Pele was retrospectively given seven Ballon D’Ors by France Football. The same number as Messi has now.What because the Journalists chose to
fecking Pele didn't win a single one!
It means all to you because my boy is winning more CL'S than him and going to be the world's first 1000 goalscorer
Watching kids like you growing up on the Internet typing in who scored the most goals - Ronaldo at 1000!
It's the question every single person wanted to know when they first watched football - who scored the most goals
Was it Messi? Unfortunately no. It was Ronaldo, and Ronaldo not playing at Barcelona the Possesion Buffet - but all 3 tough leagues of this world.
What a bloody legend
I’m perfectly sane. You are the one who seems to be getting extremely agitated. You should check your blood pressure.
The point is simple. Manchester United bought Ronaldo (along with some other big names) and have just endured the worst stretch of games in living memory. Many people have commented that Ronaldo in the team is a problem, including his fans like Bebestation.
My point is that this factors into how well he has started. How can he have started well if the team loses every week? He is not playing for Norwich. He’s playing for a billion pound team at Manchester United. If you want to reduce it to ‘well he’s scored goals’ then do you.
You're fighting a losing battle here mate...for what it's worth I agree with you entirely but people are too firmly dug in on either side of the debate to cede any ground at this stage. The bizarre 'if United don't get fourth then Ronaldo is a failure' argument is mental and utterly ignores the biggest contributing factor to our horrible league form this year - a coach that was totally out of his depth. It genuinely makes me wonder whether they've actually been watching United or just checking results and drawing conclusions from that. To me it's utterly impossible to defend the position that Messi has been as good as or better than Ronaldo this season and anyone that argues that just proves their own biases.
Both are wonderful players and both will go down as all time greats. Who is 'better' is for me a matter of personal taste and what an individual values more in a player.
Sorry but this just demonstrates what I said in my last. To draw conclusions around Ronaldo's start based on results is a classic case of correlation over causation. It totally ignores the context around the rest of the season, namely that we had a coach (god love him) that was woefully underqualified for the job in which he found himself. To claim that Ronaldo was the main catalyst for our form falling off a cliff as opposed to Ole's lack of coaching is either disingenuous or ill informed. I don't see anyone blaming Varane for our recent terrible form, even though he came in at the same time.
I don't know why I have started to get really excited for PSG games and results I thought he would never leave Barcelona and now that has happened - I can finally see how he is out of his comfort zone, even if it's arguably the 5th best league in the world.
I'm not someone who would stick by Ronaldo as my GOAT if Messi starts scoring doubles & hattricks against Lens and Bordeuex like he did for Barcelona against Getafe,Alves teams on a regular basis; and also ends up winning PSG their first CL.
None of that is anywhere near impossible to reach. Just play your Barcelona way for another club and be successful with it.
At that point I'd hold my hands up and say, you know what I got this wrong and Lionel Messi is just a God and is the best ever, capable to do it against anyone, anywhere, in any League and does so in a style that is flicking it over the goalkeeper and volleying it in.
I think many of us Ronaldo GOAT voters would aswell.
I thought he would never leave Barcelona and now that has happened - I can finally see how he is out of his comfort zone, even if it's arguably the 5th best league in the world.I'm not someone who would stick by Ronaldo as my GOAT if Messi starts scoring doubles & hattricks against Lens and Bordeuex like he did for Barcelona against Getafe,Alves teams on a regular basis; and also ends up winning PSG their first CL.
None of that is anywhere near impossible to reach. Just play your Barcelona way for another club and be successful with it.
At that point I'd hold my hands up and say, you know what I got this wrong and Lionel Messi is just a God and is the best ever, capable to do it against anyone, anywhere, in any League and does so in a style that is flicking it over the goalkeeper and volleying it in.
I think many of us Ronaldo GOAT voters would aswell.
Well no one is claiming that Varane has made some kind of awesome start to his Manchester United tenure. In football you win and lose as a team.
You heard it here first people, if Messi wins the CL with PSG in 2022, @Bebestation will officially proclaim Messi to be the GOAT.I don't know why I have started to get really excited for PSG games and results
I'm not someone who would stick by Ronaldo as my GOAT if Messi starts scoring doubles & hattricks against Lens and Bordeuex like he did for Barcelona against Getafe,Alves teams on a regular basis; and also ends up winning PSG their first CL.
None of that is anywhere near impossible to reach. Just play your Barcelona way for another club and be successful with it.
At that point I'd hold my hands up and say, you know what I got this wrong and Lionel Messi is just a God and is the best ever, capable to do it against anyone, anywhere, in any League and does so in a style that is flicking it over the goalkeeper and volleying it in.
I think many of us Ronaldo GOAT voters would aswell.
Messi ended up 3rd last season, and Ronaldo 4th. Neither were the problem, utterly shite managers were. Start there.
And yes, scoring 12 in 17 is starting ridiculously well however you stupidly try to spin it.
We’ve also won The fact you’re arguing against that is the dumbest thing I’ve possibly ever read and shows how much these pair have changed the face of football. It’s especially well when so many have been CL or league point winning goals, such as the Villareal last minute, or the Atalanta last minute, or the two last night.
Answer this question, who has started better at their new club so far?
Ronaldo has inarguably had a better start to the season than Messi.
Again this is disingenuous. You're implying that Ronaldo is largely to blame for United's poor form - there's a lot of middle ground that you could have occupied between that and him making an awesome start but instead you imply that he's a big part of the reason for United's terrible form. To ask you straight: do you think that Ronaldo is largely to blame for United's terrible form? Who do you think has start d better at their new club: Ronaldo or Messi?
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