Claims a team has “gone down the toilet” and “loses every week”; receives a reply showing that said team has actually done better in the Champions League and is not far off the position it was in the league at this point last season.
United have done better in the Champions League (in a fairly weak group). That’s fair to say. But to say United have gone into the toilet because they were beaten 5-0 at home by Liverpool, 2-0 at home by City, 4-2 by Leicester and 4-1 by Watford (not to mention losing at home to Villa as well and drawing at home with Everton) is not really hyperbole, is it?Claims a team has “gone down the toilet” and “loses every week”; receives a reply showing that said team has actually done better in the Champions League and is not far off the position it was in the league at this point last season.
The person who said the team is “down the toilet” and “losing every week” now claims the other person can’t talk without hyperbole
You couldn’t make this shit up.
Yes, as is saying they lose every week. I mean mean six points less than last season at this point and qualified for the Champions League knockouts cannot possibly be described as “going in the toilet” compared to last season; that is the definition of hyperbole.
Ah yes...I forgot you just have a slightly deeper, more enlightened view of football than anyone else. Either that or your 'looking a bit deeper than goals' metric is, on this occasion, a euphemism for seeing what you want to see. Also, listing a few moments that Messi had in the last few games is proof of nothing and ignores how anonymous he was for large stretches of the rest of those games. At this point the debate is pointless. You're never going to concede what almost everyone else sees: that Ronaldo has started the season stronger. At least you can retreat into your usual 'I'm a football oracle' narrative and tell yourself that you're the only one that really understands the intricacies of the game.
Those are your words, not mine. Ronaldo was brought to the club to win the title. Last week, Man United were 9th in the table. Is it all his fault? Of course not. But he’s one of the players in the team and the highest profile one. I don’t know what’s so complicated about what I’m saying. How can a player have started better when his team is not doing well? Because he’s scored more goals? Even though all the other players in the team who were previously prolific have stopped scoring?Ok then. If that’s what you think then that’s what you think. Let’s leave it at that.
it was a terrible pass, completely off target that the defender deflected to Mbappe
Fair enough, agree this argument is pointless and not going anywhere. If you are genuinely of the opinion that a player can't be performing well if the team as a whole isn't then I don't know what to say.
Most stupid question ever asked on the caf?
I'm out at this point. I just think that poster will dig deeper into the patronising football savant persona from here. I honestly think they agree, in their heart of hearts, but don't want to admit it. Nothing else makes sense.
I think United being 7th in the table (as low as 9th last week) is going into the toilet for a club with the second highest net spend in Europe. It’s not hyperbole at all.
No because his team is the second most expensive in Europe. He’s not playing for minnows. Just stop with this. It’s not big and it’s not clever and it just shows your insecurity and immaturity.
False. I’ve already explained, if you don’t want to accept it, that’s up to you.
| Played | W | L | D | GF | GA | GD | PTS |
| 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 14 | 5 | 9 | 15 |
| Played | W | L | D | GF | GA | GD | PTS |
| 12 | 8 | 1 | 3 | 22 | 11 | 11 | 27 |
I didn’t actually say that though. I’ll ask you again, has Ronaldo been criticised since he came to United? If so, why?
You're trying to set up an argument we're not having. Yes, Ronaldo has been criticized for a number of reasons. That's not to say that those criticisms are entirely warranted. What does this have to do with the discussion at hand? People will always find things to criticise players for.
Messi literally won the Balon Dor at a shit Barca last season for feck sake
I believe Man United beat Leeds 5-1, Everton 4-0, and Wolves 1-0 before Ronaldo made his debut. Ole was the manager then I believe.
So he’s been criticised but those criticisms are not warranted. Ok.
wrong
fecking ell you don’t even watch our games do you? You’ve just googled it and slipped up by putting a pre-season friendly there I didn't say that. I said that's not to say those criticisms are entirely warranted. No player is perfect. But, again, you're trying to set up an argument that we're not having. How is this question relevant?
If he had started so well, you wouldn’t have people pointing to him as one of the reasons that United were losing. Not that I’m saying that’s fair, I’m just saying that people were saying it.
It’s never even slightly enjoyable and it’s 661 pages of bickering, of which Nas has bickered almost 500 times.
Fine. I keep say I'm leaving it but get pulled back in. This time I'm done.
Funny, because you just edited your post to check that it was a friendly (presumably using the internet) and then added it in. So you didn’t know either. I guess you thought I wouldn’t notice that.wrong
I’m having a debate with a bloke who literally hasn’t a scooby what he’s debating, he’s just looking at scorelines and an attempt to spin 12 goals in 16 into something that’s worse than the shit start Messi has had at PSG.
We had just stunk the place out vs Southampton though, and Wolves, my God Wolves, how we somehow got away with a smash and grab there I have no clue, have a read…https://www.redcafe.net/threads/post-match-vs-wolverhampton-wanderers.465099/
Fine. My last post on the matter
Eh? I instantly told you that you were wrong, you were. I’m a United fan mate, I know who we’ve beaten 4-0 and who we haven’t and I know how shit we were performing even prior to Ronaldo’s arrival
i was wrong about that, I’ll happily admit that. I’m not a United fan but I do watch their games and I watch PSG’s too. I don’t know everyone’s results off the top of my head so sometimes I have to look them up. I mean, I’m kinda sure that what you did when you created that attractive PSG table.Eh? I instantly told you that you were wrong, you were. I’m a United fan mate, I know who we’ve beaten 4-0 and who we haven’t and I know how shit we were performing even prior to Ronaldo’s arrival
That’s me done, no more debating with a bloke who doesn’t even watch our games.
Not at all, I’m far from the only person saying that he made the team overall worse. The positive thing is that Ole is gone and Rangnick is there and United still have the cups to go for. Maybe this period will be completely forgotten in the coming months.
It is if it’s based on what I said above, there maybe other arguments.
It's certainly not my cup of tea, but we're getting bored of the reported posts and it's just going round in circles.
Yeah I said that. Just for your benefit, here’s the same article that I posted before referencing Fabregas, who’s played with both players and knows a lot more about it than you. Note how he says that Hazard has to repeat his performances from 2015 if he wants to be regarded in that light. Unfortunately, he didn’t.
Edited his post again just to tell everyone he’s been reading and counting mine. Lovely.
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