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Still our best midfielder.
always a downgrade on Keane, alwaysStill to this day underrated and the most underrated Man Utd player in my lifetime
Hope this isn't the end
Possibly, but he wasn't there to do the same job as Keane.always a downgrade on Keane, always
He isn't remotely the same player, and 99% of footballers would be a downgrade on Keane.always a downgrade on Keane, always
I don't think it is down to any of those attributes. Tactically he was never allowed to take such chances. Ferguson mentioned it several times when he scored from a similar position like the one today. He was never given that freedom to begin with.Pity he never had the confidence, or perhaps the arrogance, to shoot from distance more often because he can really hit them.
Im not comparing them as players, I'm talking about the influence on the team...He isn't remotely the same player, and 99% of footballers would be a downgrade on Keane.
So let me get this straight, you want to ruin a nice moment where people are commenting and reminiscing on one of our best midfielders in the last decade. The answer to that is yes apparently. I could see all three having a role next seasonSo let me get this straight, people want to keep him with Schweinsteiger and then Rooney making up the core of our central midfield options with the water carrier and the mop rounding things? Some room needs to be made, especially if Rooney is going to be infecting midfield next season, you can't carry 3 barely mobile has-beens in midfield.
Ruin a nice moment? the posts above me were talking about extending Carrick's contract for a year which is what I replied to. We cannot carry 3 barely mobile has-beens in midfield.So let me get this straight, you want to ruin a nice moment where people are commenting and reminiscing on one of our best midfielders in the last decade. The answer to that is yes apparently. I could see all three having a role next season
All 3 are still capable of performing very well. I wouldn't put the 3 in the same run on side but you could definitely have the 3 of them in the squad playing a their partRuin a nice moment? the posts above me were talking about extending Carrick's contract for a year which is what I replied to. We cannot carry 3 barely mobile has-beens in midfield.
He's one of the deepest lying midfielders in the world. He's had to change that a bit when playing for us because we don't require a deep midfielder.Also, the only reason this season was relatively poor for him was because LvG changed from the 4-3-3 for most of it until recently (when Carrick suddenly picked up). He needs to play as a deep lying playmaker like that, sitting at the base of the midfield. Not whatever he was told to do before.
What do you mean Possibly? Keane was a much better player.Possibly, but he wasn't there to do the same job as Keane.
Possibly.Keane was a much better player.
I never disagreed about Keane being better than Carrick did I? They aren't even remotely similar players though.What do you mean Possibly? Keane was a much better player.
This is why were are in the mess we are in, keeping old players who can't do it week in and week out for nothing but name value. We need top talents in midfield not guys playing bit parts, that's patchwork stuff and top sides do not carry 3 has-beens in a team that expects to be in a title hunt.All 3 are still capable of performing very well. I wouldn't put the 3 in the same run on side but you could definitely have the 3 of them in the squad playing a their part
Rooney may not be mobile enough for striker but he is quite mobile for a central midfielder. If given the choice between Carrick and Scweinsteiger, I'd rather keep Carrick, he's far more effective and useful than Schweinsteiger.So let me get this straight, people want to keep him with Schweinsteiger and then Rooney making up the core of our central midfield options with the water carrier and the mop rounding things? Some room needs to be made, especially if Rooney is going to be infecting midfield next season, you can't carry 3 barely mobile has-beens in midfield.
I don't think Rooney is mobile enough for either role and also lacks the strength to protect the ball these days, but I agree on keeping Carrick over Schweinsteiger, although preferably neither should be in our squad at this point.Rooney may not be mobile enough for striker but he is quite mobile for a central midfielder. If given the choice between Carrick and Scweinsteiger, I'd rather keep Carrick, he's far more effective and useful than Schweinsteiger.
Its pretty hard to find a play maker of Carrick's pedigree who can control the tempo of a game, make incisive passes while shielding the defense effectively at the same time. There's rarely a player of that mold anymore and you can already see the difference in quality when you replace Carrick with Schneiderlin so I'd keep him for another year and see if we can take more time finding a proper replacement.I don't think Rooney is mobile enough for either role and also lacks the strength to protect the ball these days, but I agree on keeping Carrick over Schweinsteiger, although preferably neither should be in our squad at this point.
The problem is that he's a liability against any team that presses which is most in the PL now, it's like playing with 10 men as he doesn't offer much protection at all now and when teams get about us he's a non factor. I'd give Blind a shot at it before spending another season with a 35 year old who can't run in the side.Its pretty hard to find a play maker of Carrick's pedigree who can control the tempo of a game, make incisive passes while shielding the defense effectively at the same time. There's rarely a player of that mold anymore and you can already see the difference in quality when you replace Carrick with Schneiderlin so I'd keep him for another year and see if we can take more time finding a proper replacement.
Blind is a valid option and a good choice but we have more use for Carrick even as a squad player than freeing up his salary and squad place. There's really not any young players in his position to think he is blocking the path for someone, unlike Rooney.The problem is that he's a liability against any team that presses which is most in the PL now, it's like playing with 10 men as he doesn't offer much protection at all now and when teams get about us he's a non factor. I'd give Blind a shot at it before spending another season with a 35 year old who can't run in the side.
We never replaced Keane with a like for like replacement. I don't think we should do the same with Carrick either.Its pretty hard to find a play maker of Carrick's pedigree who can control the tempo of a game, make incisive passes while shielding the defense effectively at the same time. There's rarely a player of that mold anymore and you can already see the difference in quality when you replace Carrick with Schneiderlin so I'd keep him for another year and see if we can take more time finding a proper replacement.
I think the old timer that plays a bit part role will be Schweinsteiger next season though, we don't need two of them, especially not when the midfield is also likely to have Rooney in it.Blind is a valid option and a good choice but we have more use for Carrick even as a squad player than freeing up his salary and squad place. There's really not any young players in his position to think he is blocking the path for someone, unlike Rooney.
You keep saying has-beens as if they aren't capable of performing well. Schweinsteiger when fit is still one of the better midfield a going around imo and only struggled last season as he doesn't know anyone.This is why were are in the mess we are in, keeping old players who can't do it week in and week out for nothing but name value. We need top talents in midfield not guys playing bit parts, that's patchwork stuff and top sides do not carry 3 has-beens in a team that expects to be in a title hunt.
I keep saying has-beens because they are well past their best IMO, the odd game here and there doesn't alter that. As far as Rooney in 2016 goes, lets just agree to disagree as that discussion wont go anywhere.You keep saying has-beens as if they aren't capable of performing well. Schweinsteiger when fit is still one of the better midfield a going around imo and only struggled last season as he doesn't know anyone.
We know what Rooney and Carrick are capable on their day and tbh Rooney has had an awesome 2016. You can't get rid of these 3 players at the same time
Philosophy. You can't blame Blind, Bastian, Carrick solely on this. It's LVG way of play. Do you blame the striker to not shoot enough, where they are only allowed minimal touch and most outside the box?With Carrick on the pitch in PL games this season, our goals record is 25 - 18 in 1973 mins, compared to 24 - 17 in the 1447 mins he wasn't on the pitch.
He started when we lost to Midtylland away, Sunderland away, Bournemouth away, Norwich at home, Arsenal away, Stoke away, Spurs away. His experience didn't seem to help us a great deal in those games.
Clearly he hasn't been our worst performer but this has been a season in which there was a huge opening for someone to control the tempo of games (i.e. get us to get the ball forwards a lot faster) and instead the likes of Carrick, Schweinsteiger and Blind have effectively run the clock down, especially when the score has been 0-0.