Mickeza
still gets no respect
At least the eejits saying we need to do an Arsenal like they’re some perfect example of how to rebuild a squad can shut up for a week.
Top 4 shouldn't be the end goal for either of our club but this is Manchester United's worst season so for us this season is a failure and there is no beating the bush around it.It is, but it wasn't working, & it had a risk of turning more poisonous. Only a week ago Arteta wasn't getting praised on here for being strong & turfing out players that weren't playing ball with his vision.
It was always going to be a gamble, everyone said that at the time. But top 4 was never be all & end all for us, just like it won't be for you.
very trueAt least the eejits saying we need to do an Arsenal like they’re some perfect example of how to rebuild a squad can shut up for a week.
I mean the template is right, you just have to apply it with a better coach/staff that finds the right replacements, a bigger badge and a shitload more of money than Arsenal.At least the eejits saying we need to do an Arsenal like they’re some perfect example of how to rebuild a squad can shut up for a week.
As shit as it is it’s not over. Arsenal terrible run starts from here. Watch them lose points from now on. Just trust me over this one.
Starting from Leicester, they are facing Liverpool at home , villa and palace away then Brighton home and Southampton away. From these 6 fixtures , I can guarantee you all they are dropping 8-10 points .
After that they are facing us at home and West Ham away, losing 3 more points minimum. After that they still have to face spurs and chelsea.
Quote me if you like but I’m very very sure of that. It’s all about how we deal with it. We need to get on a 4-5 match winning run. But Arsenal are gonna fall, believe me.
They will start dropping points regularly from here on I’m willing to put my neck on the line for it. Whether we take advantage or not it’s another matter. I’m repeating myself from the other thread but I’m convinced they will drop 8-10 points in the next 6 games and then they have to deal with Chelsea, spurs, Man Utd, West Ham. Their inconsistent run starts now. Mark my words.
Got grief from Arsenal fans for my prediction. Can’t chat shit to me now.Let me say it again because I know no one is taking it seriously but Arsenal are gonna drop points from this points onwards quite regularly. I’m not saying that out of hope or optimism or not liking arsenal, I’m saying that because right now they are getting points due to multiple reasons and them punching way above their weight combined with a touch of luck. They are doing fantastically well at the moment but I can still see the flaws in their game many can’t and after looking at the remaining fixtures I’m convinced they gonna drop like flies starting from Leicester and pool.
Its not a shot in the dark it’s fairly calculated to come to this prediction. If I’m wrong quote me and mock me all you want if I’m right just bow down to my superior football knowledge. Fair game ?
And who’s fault was that? The whole Aubameyang toxicity thing was a fight picked by Arteta in the first place. It’s almost unheard of for a manager to be so publicly hostile to one of his players. There could only be one outcome. You reap what you sew.It is, but it wasn't working, & it had a risk of turning more poisonous. Only a week ago Arteta wasn't getting praised on here for being strong & turfing out players that weren't playing ball with his vision.
It was always going to be a gamble, everyone said that at the time. But top 4 was never be all & end all for us, just like it won't be for you.
Aubameyang has always been a bit of an ill-disciplined idiot. I don't think it's fair to hold his current form against Arsenal, since I doubt he would have been able to find the same motivation there, regardless of how well Arteta handled the situation.And who’s fault was that? The whole Aubameyang toxicity thing was a fight picked by Arteta in the first place. It’s almost unheard of for a manager to be so publicly hostile to one of his players. There could only be one outcome. You reap what you sew.
Maybe he had no long term future at Arsenal. If so, he could have been managed out at the end of the season. Tolerate the Ill-discipline for now, keep him in the squad to give you options and sell him in the summer (and get a replacement on board for next season) Even if he didn’t hit the same form we’re seeing now he would still have scored goals. And a lack of goals has been Arsenal’s biggest problem all season.Aubameyang has always been a bit of an ill-disciplined idiot. I don't think it's fair to hold his current form against Arsenal, since I doubt he would have been able to find the same motivation there, regardless of how well Arteta handled the situation.
I don't know what the end goal is with Arteta. Me, I want my team to improve season on season, to look at least as if they are building towards something. What that something is I don't know, because let's be honest, when you are competing with City's money & Pep, with a Klopp inspired Liverpool, & with Chelsea with Tuchel & a billion pound squad, its going to be difficult to overtake them.Top 4 shouldn't be the end goal for either of our club but this is Manchester United's worst season so for us this season is a failure and there is no beating the bush around it.
As for you lot well you have a golden chance to finish in top 4. Ultimately you would have to finish top 4 or else what's the point. Like let me ask you what's the end goal with arteta? Don't you think circumstance wise of what's happening at United, spurs, Leicester and no European football for you guys, this is a great chance to finish in top 4.
Yeah his whole demeanor is ridiculous. He acts and talks like he knows it all. Like he can do no wrong, and anything that goes wrong is always someone else’s fault. Even Pep who is a passive aggressive fecker at times is nowhere near this arrogant.Must admit I have a bit of an irrational level of dislike for Arteta. Just really rubs me up the wrong way with how he acts and makes decisions at Arsenal, and the seeming immunity from any scrutiny.
Delighted to see their form turn and it felt like a matter of time. They played some good football but seemed to ride their luck every single game in some way shape or form. Also some question marks about sportsmanship and discipline in the squad.
And who's to say we would have went in the run we did to put is into position for top 4 if Aubameyang stayed? Because we certainly weren't really looking like it when he was part of the team first half of the season.And who’s fault was that? The whole Aubameyang toxicity thing was a fight picked by Arteta in the first place. It’s almost unheard of for a manager to be so publicly hostile to one of his players. There could only be one outcome. You reap what you sew.
There’s a narrative built around how taking Aubameyang out of the team is why Arsenal had a good run but that could be confusing correlation and causation. From the outside looking in the biggest improvement has been due to Partey and Odegard finding their feet and Xhaka having one of his intermittent runs of good form. You can be certain Aubameyang would be a lot more prolific in front of that midfield than he was in the first half of the season.And who's to say we would have went in the run we did to put is into position for top 4 if Aubameyang stayed? Because we certainly weren't really looking like it when he was part of the team first half of the season.
But an unhappy Aubameyang is not something that you can just tolerate away, it's disruptive to the entire team. And while I'm no expert on Arsenal, a goal tally of four and a stark under performance of xG suggest to me that Auba wasn't showing the kind of performances that would have merited keeping him around either.Maybe he had no long term future at Arsenal. If so, he could have been managed out at the end of the season. Tolerate the Ill-discipline for now, keep him in the squad to give you options and sell him in the summer (and get a replacement on board for next season) Even if he didn’t hit the same form we’re seeing now he would still have scored goals. And a lack of goals has been Arsenal’s biggest problem all season.
Instead Arteta chose to pick a fight with him and escalate it to the point of no return before the season was half way through. Meaning Arsenal finish the season without their most natural goal-scorer, with no replacement and no transfer fee. Scapegoating him has fuelled the “cultural reboot” crap we fell for with Ole but has also weakened their squad in a season when they’ll never get a better shot at CL football, with predictable results.
That’s assuming Aubamayang is getting into positions, hasn’t downed tools etc…There’s a narrative built around how taking Aubameyang out of the team is why Arsenal had a good run but that could be confusing correlation and causation. From the outside looking in the biggest improvement has been due to Partey and Odegard finding their feet and Xhaka having one of his intermittent runs of good form. You can be certain Aubameyang would be a lot more prolific in front of that midfield than he was in the first half of the season.
Completely agree this.Aubameyang isnt the only case of really questionable man-management by Arteta. Lets not forget his similar treatment of Ozil. You then have players like Saliba who was bought for £27m only to be completely frozen out, whilst instead they complain about a lack of CBs and then go spunk £50m on Ben White, without having even given Saliba a chance.
There have been two games this season where for me, they have shown really questionable sportsmanship. One was the one against United, where I am convinced that Smith-Rowe saw that De Gea was down when he called for the ball and scored (a shot that DDG would have easily saved). Obviously a lot of blame there should be on DDG for being a pussy, but its still poor sportsmanship from the gooners.
Second, and more blatant one - also Smith-Rowe - was against Watford in November where Watford put the ball out of play due to injury. Arsenal shouldve returned it, instead they carried on and scored.
They are just an eminently dislikeable bunch, and Arteta personifies that.
Our attack is the weakest point in the team. Its the area of the team that Arteta has least invested in so far. Bar the signing of Odegaard, the rest are all legacy signings or youth players, so I think it's fair to say they'll target that area in the summer. The attack performed poor with Aubameyang in the squad, so im not sure how much difference he would have made with his previous form.I see Pogue’s point. There was no way the likes of Smith Rowe and Martinelli would either continue their purple patches in front of goal or massively add G/As to their game. Since the turn of the year, both have a combined 2 goals in 11 PL matches. Which is to be expected, they’re far too green to rely upon in that manner.
Add in Lacathreat up-top, and Odegaard who is actually doing okay numbers-wise this season, but is almost like a reverse Fernandes in the no.10 spot (decent overall performances but without many goals), and you can see why Arsenal have scored the fewest goals in the top 6 (7?).
Ozil was done, anyone could see that, & the wages became a big burden. He's now having similar problems at Fenerbache.Aubameyang isnt the only case of really questionable man-management by Arteta. Lets not forget his similar treatment of Ozil. You then have players like Saliba who was bought for £27m only to be completely frozen out, whilst instead they complain about a lack of CBs and then go spunk £50m on Ben White, without having even given Saliba a chance.
There have been two games this season where for me, they have shown really questionable sportsmanship. One was the one against United, where I am convinced that Smith-Rowe saw that De Gea was down when he called for the ball and scored (a shot that DDG would have easily saved). Obviously a lot of blame there should be on DDG for being a pussy, but its still poor sportsmanship from the gooners.
Second, and more blatant one - also Smith-Rowe - was against Watford in November where Watford put the ball out of play due to injury. Arsenal shouldve returned it, instead they carried on and scored.
They are just an eminently dislikeable bunch, and Arteta personifies that.
But ultimately you have to compete for the top honors or finish in top 4 consistently, otherwise whats the point of backing him if the end goal is just to fight for 5th or 6th. Also, it's not like Arteta has not been backed by the board. Arsenal has spent the most money this season over £150m, and apart from that he has full backing to kick out players he doesn't want. That's not the case at Manchester United or at Chelsea or at Spurs.I don't know what the end goal is with Arteta. Me, I want my team to improve season on season, to look at least as if they are building towards something. What that something is I don't know, because let's be honest, when you are competing with City's money & Pep, with a Klopp inspired Liverpool, & with Chelsea with Tuchel & a billion pound squad, its going to be difficult to overtake them.
You are right, perhaps unexpectedly this would be our best chance of top 4, because of the situations at Utd & Spurs. But let's be honest, in terms of quality & depth, this isn't a top 4 squad.
The attack certainly shouldn't be a top 4 attack, & that's the area of the first XI that needs most improvement. But due to shedding of a lot of players that weren't seen as the future, we also lack depth. I realise that, I can accept that, as long as we make improvements in transfer windows going forward.
However, i suspect ultimately, given the quality of the teams (& coaches) we are competing with, Arteta might not get us to where we want to be. However as we have seen with football, lots can change. Conte can quickly be out of Spurs as quick as he was installed, managers don't seem to last long at Chelsea, Pep & Klopp might be coming towards the end of their cycle. Everything might go up in the air again, & that's the great thing about football.
Of course that would be the goal. Strategically, for me, I'd want to position ourselves in the next couple of years as the 'best of the rest' outside of City & Liverpool, so if there is any drop off after management changes at those clubs you'd be best placed to take advantage. Hence why I agree with the strategy of lowering the general age of the squad to allow the core to peak in 2 or 3 years.But ultimately you have to compete for the top honors or finish in top 4 consistently, otherwise whats the point of backing him if the end goal is just to fight for 5th or 6th. Also, it's not like Arteta has not been backed by the board. Arsenal has spent the most money this season over £150m, and apart from that he has full backing to kick out players he doesn't want. That's not the case at Manchester United or at Chelsea or at Spurs.
I still the feel the backing and patience you have given/shown to him, if you had given that to Emery you would be in a better position. Or if you actually go and hire say someone like ETH or Poch or Enrique you would definitely be in a better position long term as well as short term.
It just reflects the true level of the team for the whole season. The table won't lie. If Spurs finish 4th, it means they are a better team than Arsenal. It is what it is. There are still games left to play.People laughing at us if we cant get 4th place? Jokes on them. We never wanted it anyway.
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They did under Wenger but not Arteta.What surprises me of the former Guardiola's assistant known over here as Lego Pep is that I have never really watched an Arsenal game (Not that I have watched many) in which the style of play resembles Pep's style.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Arsenal try to play like City/Barca or do they?
Watched their recent few games and observed they usually play a 4231 and attack the wide areas and press as much as possible. So saka and martinelli are key and odegaard runs into dangerous spaces to receive those balls.What surprises me of the former Guardiola's assistant known over here as Lego Pep is that I have never really watched an Arsenal game (Not that I have watched many) in which the style of play resembles Pep's style.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Arsenal try to play like City/Barca or do they?
Yeah I remember back in the good Barca days that we played them several times and they were always trying to beat us at our game but couldn't. Most likely because we had Messi and they didn't.They did under Wenger but not Arteta.
Is anyone surprised, he has an excellent record in the European competitions, he even got Arsenal to a European final in his only season there. Its domestically he isn't great.Their former manager has just beaten Bayern to reach a CL semi.
True. I'm still think it was a knee jerk reaction to get rid of him although at the time his league form wasn't that great.Is anyone surprised, he has an excellent record in the European competitions, he even got Arsenal to a European final in his only season there. Its domestically he isn't great.
We got rid because he lost the dressing room to the point where he became a joke figure in the media which filtered into the dressing room.True. I'm still think it was a knee jerk reaction to get rid of him although at the time his league form wasn't that great.
If he doesn’t get them top 4 they should sack him in all honesty. A terrible season for united, spurs both sacking their managers, no stability at those clubs and yet he is about to bottle it.He's going to throw it away isn't he?
Spend three years to build a side that can... Challenge for top four. And then a proper manager takes over a spurs side in total disarray and still pips them to it within six months of taking over.
Arsenal have no right finishing top 4 regardless of how bad a season others are having and regardless of how bad a season others are having if they do finish top 4 then they've massively overachievedIf he doesn’t get them top 4 they should sack him in all honesty. A terrible season for united, spurs both sacking their managers, no stability at those clubs and yet he is about to bottle it.
If he takes almost 3 years to not even deliver top 4 then how long he’s gonna take them where they want to be ? But as it was with united fans, many of them are blinded by an ex player managing Arsenal atleast ours was a legend.
They should go all in for Enrique if he fancies it after the World Cup. If not then either Poch if possible or Potter. Atleast Arsenal would play entertaining football once again, Lego pep doesn’t even play that. Sheikh Eddie Howe of Georgie Arabia plays better football than him with inferior players.
I think one of Emery's problems at Arsenal, and then also at PSG, was that he doesn't seem to be great at communicating in another language than Spanish.True. I'm still think it was a knee jerk reaction to get rid of him although at the time his league form wasn't that great.
Every year there's going to be 2 of the big 6 that don't finish in the top 4, maybe 3 if Newcastle emerge. Soon run out of managers if those that miss out are sacked every year.If he doesn’t get them top 4 they should sack him in all honesty. A terrible season for united, spurs both sacking their managers, no stability at those clubs and yet he is about to bottle it.
If he takes almost 3 years to not even deliver top 4 then how long he’s gonna take them where they want to be ? But as it was with united fans, many of them are blinded by an ex player managing Arsenal atleast ours was a legend.
They should go all in for Enrique if he fancies it after the World Cup. If not then either Poch if possible or Potter. Atleast Arsenal would play entertaining football once again, Lego pep doesn’t even play that. Sheikh Eddie Howe of Georgie Arabia plays better football than him with inferior players.
His target for the season was to get back in Europe & continue to strip out the squad. If he does that he won't be sacked.If he doesn't get top 4 will he be sacked? Do Arsenal fans want that?
He has built a decent young squad that Arsenal haven't had for a whilst - do they want to let it grow or is it time to let someone manage this group?
Or is this squad built more from DOF/Edu than arteta?
This is Arteta’s team. Bar a few players he has signed most of the first eleven. Ramsdale, Gabriel, Ben white, tomiyasu, Partey, odegaard. Also lokonga, Nuno and Cedric. Tierney and Martinelli were also new signings, signed only a few months back before Arteta and have been two of their best players. On top of that Saka and ESR have fallen in his lap and been a blessing for him. He has been given time he has been given money he has been given authority. He let go of whoever he wanted whoever he desired Aubameyamg, guendouzi, Saliba whether right or wrong I’m not arguing that but he’s been given that power to do so. He alienated AMN, now Pepe rarely starts under him. He does what he wants. That’s being backed. Good for him.Arsenal have no right finishing top 4 regardless of how bad a season others are having and regardless of how bad a season others are having if they do finish top 4 then they've massively overachieved