Apparently they can bend 15 degrees more than most swimmers
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-makes-michael-phelps-so-good1/
Mokgadi Caster Semenya | IAAF to tell court she should be classified as biologically male
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Margaret Wambui
lol Semenya. First time I've seen her. I said to myself "is that feck a woman", then saw the name and remembered this thread.
I actually feel a bit sorry for the other women having to race against Semenyanator.
I actually feel a bit sorry for the other women having to race against Semenyanator.
The three hyperandrogenous starters in the 800m semifinals finished 1st, 1st, 2nd. Normal women competing with them don't seem to have a real chance.
Thought this might get a bump , what's that hyper androgynous mean?
Thanks bud, was just reading it, still a big grey area, don't know what to think really.
Definitely Andy Coles sister.
Margaret Wambui
I don't recall anybody complaining when Fatima Whitbread was winning golds for Britain.
Fatima Whitbread was a normal biological woman, just heavily-muscled - she got married years back and had a son (edit - I just checked Wiki, she didn't actually ever win an Olympic gold).
I dunno if she actually has her head shaved at the mo or if it just looked like it, but she did herself no favoursThey gave her a makeover.
Were you confused about your feelings when you saw her?
plaited hair.
Tried to bat one out but she was so fast I didn't have time
1:59:31 in the 800m semi-final. Bet Di Maria's Angel wouldn't last that long with his colleague.
DM readers are very confused that she has a wife.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...edal-adoring-wife-look-mobbed-return-Rio.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...edal-adoring-wife-look-mobbed-return-Rio.html
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-olympic-spirit-iaaf-athletes-women?CMP=fb_gu
The article doesn't make any new points but that is a somewhat tragic photo encapsulating how deep the issue goes.
The worst thing is that Caster has done nothing wrong.
It wasn't even her who took the testosterone limiting case to the CAS. When they wanted her to take hormone altering drugs,she simply complied. When it was outlawed,she complied with that.
I'm sorry,but that is no way to treat another human being . She has been through something very few can withstand. Her emotional strength is of the charts.
Was she legit snubbed by them or does the photo give a false impression?
She was.
Spark even gave an interview outlining why.
To get credit,Caster has not brought it up since.
What did Spark say?
Hard to feel sorry for them. The race was well under world record pace, so if she was actually good enough for a medal she might've got one.
She's was 1 of 2 (Bolt) non UK athletes that I wanted to win Gold
She's competing as allowed, there's no point the other athletes taking it out on her. That's mean-spirited.
She was snubbed but she they were mid-embrace with each other and Sharp and Bishop seem to know each other, just from how close they seemed after the race. Semenya gives both a tap on the shoulder, neither really respond but it isn't a snub in the truest sense, but that's my opinion.
1:13 onwards in this video.\
Edit: From the video in the above post, it does seem to be more of a snub. Any gripes they have shouldn't be with Caster herself and it's unfair to treat her as such.
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She was stating the obvious in the interview but I didn't like her tone.
And looking at the picture and video, it looks like a snub of Semenya. Pretty classless and I thought their sobbing on the track was embarrassing.
I'm against hyperandrogenist athletes competing against women but the rules are the rules and it was out of order to take it out on Semenya in that moment and in front of the world's media.
And looking at the picture and video, it looks like a snub of Semenya. Pretty classless and I thought their sobbing on the track was embarrassing.
I'm against hyperandrogenist athletes competing against women but the rules are the rules and it was out of order to take it out on Semenya in that moment and in front of the world's media.
What a bitch, even had Caster not ran she would have finished 5th and be going home with feck all anyway.
"We both know how each other feel."
Can just imagine them being all horrible behind the scenes. I don't like the use of this word, but it just seems so bitxhy.
Can just imagine them being all horrible behind the scenes. I don't like the use of this word, but it just seems so bitxhy.
Her time wouldn't have been good enough to medal in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000... etc.
Indeed. She is just following the rules.
I watched a BBC documentary on Semenya a few years ago and it was awful to see what she was being put through, I genuinely thought the experience would get the better of her and she would fall off the map. It can't be easy just living life when you so obviously don't fit in to the 'norms' but to live that life in view of the world with so much speculation (and a degree of vitriol) must be horrific.
When the Olympics have countless known drugs cheats welcomed in to compete I find it difficult to take exception to someone that has had to overcome so much adversity (through no fault of her own) since the age of 19 just to be able to run.
When the Olympics have countless known drugs cheats welcomed in to compete I find it difficult to take exception to someone that has had to overcome so much adversity (through no fault of her own) since the age of 19 just to be able to run.
Wow. How has Sharp's shenanigans been received in the UK? She deserves a public whipping or something for her bizarre self-pity and general classlessness.
So, I do a little bit of powerlifting and I can't explain how much of a difference it would make if an athlete like caster entered in the female competitions. It's not her fault, but I think this is something that needs addressing otherwise it's kind of making a mockery of the competition.
I don't know how a solution would look, unfortunately, but do think she can't keep 'competing' with the other females.
I don't know how a solution would look, unfortunately, but do think she can't keep 'competing' with the other females.
It's very difficult. I keep thinking of Serena Williams who has an equally-muscled physique, which shows that women can achieve that sort of body (presumably by hard gym work). However, she must have normal testosterone levels.
That's just it, it's incredibly hard on her and of course none of it is her fault but it just isn't fair on the other female competitors. Short of allowing other competitors to take testosterone and introduce a handicap much like in horseracing it's not going to be fair for everyone.
I see your point and some people are worried about a massive 'influx' of intersex athletes into women's sport, but seriously, how many intersex people are there? Can't imagine that there are armies of them and surely not all will have sporting prowess, regardless of the perceived advantages.
Hmmm, quite a lot. There are loads of variants and depending on which measure you use it's somewhere between 1:100 and 1:1000.
So, by no means rare. Though obviously only a smaller number will have a variant that offers a potential sporting advantage. However, that 800m had three intersex athletes and that's why it's got to be debated - that's either a statistical freak result or a genuine advantage.
It's complex though. Presumably 50 years ago there were intersex athletes competing as women unquestioned. It's modern drug testing in particular that had drawn attention to the topic and ultimately may move the decision away from genetalia into chemistry.
Of course what we decide now, will get challenged again as soon as we start to see genetically modified athletes preparing to compete.
Wow, that's a lot higher than I thought. The time in the 800m was nowhere near the world record though, so not as if they are super-women. Agree it's fantastically complex though and no easy answers.