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Mourinho | 2016/17 Performances

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I have never been a Mourinho fan, and didn't want him here, but out of all the problems that where discussed about bringing him in, no one thought the biggest issue would be him not playing a defensive minded midfielder.......

I mean this is Mourinho the guy who parked the bus against Moyes United...... bizarre!
 

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It doesn't look good so far. When a new manager comes in, it's common sense that there will be a few setbacks at first due to the new style of play which must be taught.

The question is, what is Mourinho up to these days?
  • I see fullbacks bombing forward, overlapping their winger, instructed to attack.
  • I see lots of crosses, most of them are lacking quality.
  • I see a few Hollywood shots in direction to the goal, poorly executed.
  • I see possession because of possesion, no incentive to score a goal.
    • Mourinho wanted physicality, he got it. But what good is it for when even the likes of David Silva are winning their headers...the passing is slowing the whole play down, players are holding too long onto the ball, there're only a handful attacking patterns...back to the idea to just hoof it to the big lad upfront, they have no idea, have they?...United's way to attack seems forgotten!

    • When you play as quickly as Barca, Bayern or City these days it's so difficult to get hold of the ball. Quick combinations are a must in modern football, it's just not a good enough idea to more or less rely on individual quality. Even amateurs like myself know how to pass it around quickly in triangles...
Why is Pogba playing so far away from goal? In a midfield of 2 didn't work well in France, why should it here? The spots in midfield are limited, Fellaini can't do jack shite with the ball, but he's winning his duels and his legs aren't gone yet. There's Ander fecking Herrera waiting on the bench who's the best option to make us tick. Rooney is a striker, nothing else, why is it so difficult to see?!

The partnership Bailly and Blind was only getting better, we need a ball playing defender, but according to Mourinho we don't. The problem how to play it from the back doesn't go away, what a surprise...some player get a free pass no matter what, doesn't go well with me.

After the game against Hull i thought that it was far from perfect but the players kept going and finally oh wonder, they did score! They tried, today i'm sure most of them could have done more. Either clueless, or worse, they didn't want it bad enough.


I'm really disappointed so far. Losses aren't the worst part, team doesn't create enough -they don't know how to do it, manager is changing the team and looks desperate. Team has a lot of height in it, just like a former Mourinho team, but time has changed, has Mourinho stood still and didn't develop his skillset?

I wanted Mourinho here, i'm backing him till the end, but boy have a got a reality check. Fecking Pep is running away with, isn't he? I really thought that it would be us. :(
 

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He fecks up too many things right now. Some good questions above and if he does not solve that quickly, he will not be a success either
 

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For someone who made such a hoo-ha about his desire for 'specialists' over utility players, very little has actually changed.

Rooney has already reverted back to his midfield role after just 5 games, despite Mourinho's insistence he will only play as a 9 or 10. Same goes for players like Mata, Fellaini and Young.
 

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Also how does the Rooney Ibra combo make any sense even on paper? You have a top class CF whose one drawback is that he is 34. Surely the sensible to do wouldn't involve playing a 10 behind him who plays as though he's 40? Jose's supposed to be tactically great but this makes no sense whatsoever. Looks like Jose is just expecting great things from names rather than trying to build a great team.
As I said before, it seems like afterthought. I was indifferent about signing Zlatan. Because Rooney won't be dropped for awhile. So having to play both of them in a side and couldn't drop or even sub because you are scared of their ego would have been a serious problem. Said that when I was in newbie last year and it is kind of happening...

Let's sign a big name. Did it and then oh shit I had to play rooney too and we are too slow to play counter style. Well, who cares, put 4 more tall players and hoof the ball up front. Hopefully, some of them will drop to the channels and we will try to make use of them.

That seems like his plan A so far. His plan B is to put more tall players to hoof the ball directly inside the box.

I think managers like sam can do it. We didn't need jose for it.
 

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Now would be a good time for Mourinho to show that his experiences at Madrid and Chelsea haven't broke him. He needs to show some bollocks and drop Rooney first of all. He has always been a pragmatic manager and that won't change. But a shift in formation and personnel could get the best out of so many more players.
 

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Dear diary,

Let me just say that I have always been a fan of Mourinho and he was my first option on "Who should inherit SAF's empire". Even after his failure at Chelsea last season I was still extremely happy when he was annouced as our manager mainly because I knew Chelsea's problems run way deeper than Mourinho, and Abramovich didn't really back him on many things that Mourinho wanted to change.

Anyway, the reason I wanted him to succeed SAF was mainly because they were extremely similiar in every single managerial aspect, one of those was that they were both ruthless with players that were past it. Players would die for them, but if you're not good, or you don't fit the system - you're shown the door immediately. It's a thing I expected from Van Gaal, but he did not deliver. Now, you can say that SAF had many mediocre players at the end of his reign, but they did the job that was asked of them - we were always winning the league or losing it with one point of a difference. Mourinho was the same until he came here - he repeatedly dropped stars that weren't performing, sold players that were not the quality that a certain club was expecting of them and brought players that fit his system (yes, he does have a system). That's why he was so successful.

Let's get to my main point now: Guardiola and Mourinho both inherited teams of similiar quality. We and City both finished at the same amount of points. And whether you think the current City team is better or not, the quality is not that different. Also, they both inherited a similiar situation in the dressing room and team - Guardiola had Hart, Mourinho had Rooney. Guardiola had Yaya, we had Fellaini. The difference between them is obvious: Guardiola showed that same ruthlessness that was expected from Mourinho when he became our manager.

Guardiola immediately eliminated the dominating midfielder that was Yaya. Why, considering he is probably their best midfielder aside from De Bruyne? Because Yaya doesn't perform the way Guardiola wants him to, nor does he fit the system that Guardiola wants him to play, nor the formation.

Mourinho had a similiar situation with Fellaini (aside from being dominant or whatever). A midfielder who for whatever reason is not United quality (unlike Yaya, he never was). But instead of selling him or playing him off the bench, just like Van Gaal he shoehorns him into a midfield of two and plays him at every opportunity.

Now let's get to our main problem - Wayne Rooney. Guardiola also had a similiar situation with Joe Hart. And while Hart probably doesn't have the same amount of power and influence that Rooney has, the situation is quite similiar: They are both legends at their respective clubs, they are both way past it, they both have influence over the media and the dressing room and they both were fan favorites. The only difference I can think of is the size of the challenge and that Rooney is not just a simple goalkeeper, but our main outlet of our attack. Our play is dictated entirely by him.

What did Guardiola do and what did Mourinho do in this situation? Guardiola removed Hart from his starting position and sold him to wherever. Mourinho? He just followed Van Gaal's philosophy of "My cEptain shall always play.".



In short - Guardiola was ruthless, eliminated the dross and played the style that he wants to play, as well as the formation that best suits the team and not the individuals. What did Mourinho do? The exact opposite. That's the difference and that's why Guardiola is performing well while Mourinho has not.

The End.
 
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Mourinho has to do things his own way. Not the Man Utd way (which is meaningless).

He has to build a strong defense. It is a disgrace to concede three goals.

After we build our defense, we can talk about our attack, but first we have to short out the defense.
 

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Looks like he's already thrown Luke Shaw under the bus.

He said: “The first Man City goal and this second goal against Watford - you can find an incredible similarity, which is Kolarov has the ball in a difficult situation in the corner and my players, instead of going up to press they decide to give space.

“And here for the second goal, Amrabat receives the ball and our left-back is 25 metres from him instead of five metres. But even at 25 metres, you have to jump and go and press, but no, we wait.

“This is a tactical but also a mental attitude. It’s something that doesn’t become perfect in a couple of weeks.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...jose-mourinho-8864616#rlabs=8 rt$sitewide p$4
 

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A club who's fans demand attacking football has employed two of the most negative styled managers in recent years. The more I think of it , the more I think he's just not the man. maybe hel bring stability before he leaves , but feck I'd rather watch us play the football we used to week in week out and finish 5th than play tactically conservative and finish 4th. I remember Gary Neville being asked " will David moyes change man utd or will man utd change him ", the same needs to be asked of mourinho and the answer needs to be that the club changes him because right now , it's as worrying as it has been the last few years.
 

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Normal cycle for Mourinho, when things are good they are really good when things are bad they are really bad.
 

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Taboo word around here, but we haven't got a philosophy/style of play.

We have a bunch of square pegs in round holes in regards to our squad. We don't have a balanced midfield or balanced forward line, and unless Blind plays we don't have a composed central defender.
 

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Hopefully Mourinho drops Rooney soon and actually uses Ibra as a creative outlet instead of a target man.
 

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I believe Mourinho will turn it around and get us firing again, however I think we need to lower our expectations a bit and go for a top 4 finish because at this moment in time we are not title contenders.
 

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It will be crazy if we need to go through all the stuff we got through while LVG was in charge.
 

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I don't have a problem with it. Players didn't do their job properly, they are being called out. Happens also in any other business, big deal! Shaw is a big man, i'm sure he can handle it, especially when he did wrong. We only demand the best and he can do better!

"Because we started the season very well with the Community Shield and three victories in a row in the Premier League, the best start that a new manager has had at United I think."
This is a part which i don't like. Has the pressure already got to him that he has to big himself up?

Anyway, Mourinho has been eloquently as ever in his interviews, time to let his football do the talking on the pitch. Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. Personally i'm quite worried, the next matches can't come quickly enough for my gusto.
 

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I don't have a problem with it. Players didn't do their job properly, they are being called out. Happens also in any other business, big deal! Shaw is a big man, i'm sure he can handle it, especially when he did wrong. We only demand the best and he can do better!



This is a part which i don't like. Has the pressure already got to him that he has to big himself up?

Anyway, Mourinho has been eloquently as ever in his interviews, time to let his football do the talking on the pitch. Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. Personally i'm quite worried, the next matches can't come quickly enough for my gusto.
It is bs throwing the players under the bus. For only one reason with jose. All about his ego. He is not pointing out player's fault to motivate them. He is doing it so that he can show people that it is not his fault and he knows it all. He had all the plan to beat anyone. It is just that players don't listen to him.

If you actually follow him a bit, you will know.
 

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I don't know what difference people were expecting when we signed Mourinho. They're not that different: 1) Both unperformed in the 15-16 Season. But instead of finishing 5th with a fairly injured and poor(ish) team, Mourinho was sacked with the defending Champions at the time when they were 16th! 2) Both are a bit ''crazy''. LvG got drunk during a speech, spoke bad English and made a funny dive. However Mourinho went way more extreme: the affairs with Hazard and Costa, being a cnut and got sexist and fired a great physician over absolutely nothing. 3) And even though their playing styles are a bit different, they both have the same strategical basis. Mourinho learned his coaching skills from LvG!

I will admit, personally I think he's a cnut. So I might be a bit biased when I say this, but I think we were better off with LvG for this season.

Though I'll give Mourinho this: The top transfers, Pogba, Ibra, and Mkhitaryan, are probably due to Mourinho's influence, and I hope they will succeed. But the cracks are beginning to show that were also present at last season with Chelsea. The deal with Schweinsteiger, the way he plays/doesn't play Mkhitaryan, Benching Blind after one poor match (where everyone was poor), the hoof-like football. I don't like how this is looking and these top transfers mean nothing if we'll continue to play like this.
 
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He does seem a bit lost at the moment, but I believe he will try different options and get it right eventually, and not preserve with the exact same team/tactics when it's clearly not working ala LVG.

But we really do need to get into CL.
 

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If anything maybe Pep being this good with City will awake him from his slumber. Maybe he'll see the light. He has too big of an ego to just let Pep have all the fun while him being miserable.
Come on Jose, where's your pride. Dig deep and find us some good football, if not good then at least winning one.
 

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It is bs throwing the players under the bus. For only one reason with jose. All about his ego. He is not pointing out player's fault to motivate them. He is doing it so that he can show people that it is not his fault and he knows it all. He had all the plan to beat anyone. It is just that players don't listen to him.

If you actually follow him a bit, you will know.
If what you're saying were true, why did we even hire him in the first place? You're making it out to be that he's just in for himself, not able to admit mistakes, is treated like a joker from the players and overall makes life quite uncomfortable for everyone around.

Excuse me, but i don't believe this stuff. The man himself admitted his wrong doings after the defeat against Guardiola's City. Big name players such as De Gea welcomed his arrival with open arms and others shared their happiness of different type of training methods well with the media. How do you even know that players won't be motivated after being called out? Lampard loved the man, Costa had problems with him, people are different, let's see how this bunch will react...

I'm following the man myself and i perceive these kind of things differently, but each to their own.
 

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If what you're saying were true, why did we even hire him in the first place? You're making it out to be that he's just in for himself, not able to admit mistakes, is treated like a joker from the players and overall makes life quite uncomfortable for everyone around.

Excuse me, but i don't believe this stuff. The man himself admitted his wrong doings after the defeat against Guardiola's City. Big name players such as De Gea welcomed his arrival with open arms and others shared their happiness of different type of training methods well with the media. How do you even know that players won't be motivated after being called out? Lampard loved the man, Costa had problems with him, people are different, let's see how this bunch will react...

I'm following the man myself and i perceive these kind of things differently, but each to their own.
Why did we hire him? Well, who else can we hire? I believe that United waited for pep till the last min before they grabbed jose.

You don't have to believe me. You could just look at him since madrid. Lampard loved him yeah but that was in his first stint with them. Even then, makelele said in his bio that jose did not seem to like that when the team was getting too much credit instead of him. So he tended to shake dressing room and break it a bit to show who the boss was. Well, not my words, it is similar to those. You could go read it I guess.

So what? Players welcoming their new managers. Happened with everyone even with moyes. Little to see in it.

How do I even know players wont be motivated after being called out? Well, look at how other successful managers do? You know we can even look at our own SAF. Of course managers lose shit sometimes. But often? not a good thing. SAF was a decent man manager with a few trophies right? You could have done in dressing room or in your office to motivate them.

Also look at his champion winning chelsea team last season. Biggest and most recent example. And he is starting to get into that kind of habit here again... too early for my liking.
 

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Also if he is 'the best manager' in the world, the motivation skill and man management have to be on top too because you can't be a top manager without it.

So blaming players for lack of motivation or tactical mistakes, well whose job to fix? And, do we look like doing it right atm? If not then, who should be fixing it?

We hired 'the best manager' in the world. Not moyes atm.
 

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Also if he is 'the best manager' in the world, the motivation skill and man management have to be on top too because you can't be a top manager without it.

So blaming players for lack of motivation or tactical mistakes, well whose job to fix? And, do we look like doing it right atm? If not then, who should be fixing it?

We hired 'the best manager' in the world. Not moyes atm.
You really dont like Mourinho :lol:

Man we just need to give him some time to sort us out. We have finished 7th, 4th and 5th in recent years with shit offensive play. You cant fix it overnight

City were top scorers last season and we were tenth. Have some patience
 

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You really dont like Mourinho :lol:

Man we just need to give him some time to sort us out. We have finished 7th, 4th and 5th in recent years with shit offensive play. You cant fix it overnight

City were top scorers last season and we were tenth. Have some patience
Actually i do or used to like him a lot before he came back to PL. But then I changed my mind a bit. Rather he did. He was nothing like old self since he came back.

That we all can agree.

And, I am willing to give him time. I just pointed out things which people try to sugarcoat while same people wouldn't do for the previous managers.

Also, he made 4 signings and 3 of them were to fix attacking. His style, his players. I find excuses like oh look we were shit last 3 years therefore we need time amusing.

Well the point of getting players he wanted was to fix it quickly as i am sure everyone could see that it needed to be fixed including himself from last season.
 

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Why did we hire him? Well, who else can we hire? I believe that United waited for pep till the last min before they grabbed jose.

You don't have to believe me. You could just look at him since madrid. Lampard loved him yeah but that was in his first stint with them. Even then, makelele said in his bio that jose did not seem to like that when the team was getting too much credit instead of him. So he tended to shake dressing room and break it a bit to show who the boss was. Well, not my words, it is similar to those. You could go read it I guess.

So what? Players welcoming their new managers. Happened with everyone even with moyes. Little to see in it.

How do I even know players wont be motivated after being called out? Well, look at how other successful managers do? You know we can even look at our own SAF. Of course managers lose shit sometimes. But often? not a good thing. SAF was a decent man manager with a few trophies right? You could have done in dressing room or in your office to motivate them.

Also look at his champion winning chelsea team last season. Biggest and most recent example. And he is starting to get into that kind of habit here again... too early for my liking.
There're so many managers out there...how can you simplify the decision to be a binary one? Moreover Pep and Jose have a very different understanding of the style of play. I like to think that the board took the strengths and weaknesses of the players into consideration, figuring out that Jose's vision suits them better. I do believe that Pep's decision to take over at City had been made clear for quite some time, so i disagree that United missed out on Pep last minute.

Some players say nasty stuff about Jose, others don't. That's how it is. To be fair, you do have a point there and it's important to take a look at every single message. Yeah, Jose wanted to change things at Chelsea MK1, but i'm having a hunch that it was because he thought that they were stagnating. I don't think he wants to be the center of attention, but that's just me having a hunch.

Furthermore you failed to add this:
Makelele:
"He's someone I respect, but who also made me suffer a great deal. But he is a winner. He knows football, he knows how to use players, how to motivate them, but also how to put them down. He's someone who's very calculating, vicious, ambitious.
Before you said this:
"For only one reason with jose. All about his ego. He is not pointing out player's fault to motivate them. He is doing it so that he can show people that it is not his fault and he knows it all."
Couldn't be the calling out not be part of his motivational skills?

De Gea stayed put. Last season he was close to joining Madrid, but after Jose was named new manager, he made clear that this time there won't be any drama. For me this means something, perhaps for you not.

At Chelsea, no one really knows what had happened. It could be the case that Eva's case unsettled the dressing room (Hazard felt guilty?), or a problem with Terry (back in 2007 media reported stuff), or just their thinking that they didn't need Jose anymore. Big characters such as Cech and Drogba had left the club, a year ago Lampard...they had fallen off a cliff and everyone was losing their minds. Hazard had problems before with managers (burger), Costa is a piece of work, Fabregas has history of being a backstabber (bad mood at Barca according to media), Oscar celebrated his first goal of the season with a gesture towards the manager on the first day of the season. Sure Jose has to shoulder some of the blame, he's the captain and in the end his 7th minute long rant was out of line just like him talking about 'betrayal' which probably cost him his job.

My point is Chelsea was a unique situation and hopefully he has learned something from it. At Real he also had problems, but they kept winning games. For exampel Varane is still grateful.
Varane:
"During my second year at Madrid, Jose Mourinho gave me a kick up the backside, i wasn't doing well, I wasn't managing to do what he wanted me to out on the pitch. So he chided me, saying: 'Why don't you run in training?' My first reaction was to mutter, 'Oh come on...' But I knew he was right, I had more to give."
Most of the Chelsea lads just come across bitter with the lil' dig here and there, at least last season.

As aformentioned, i don't have a problem with him calling out players, as long as it doesn't happen all the time and it's because they really messed up. The fact that he's also admitting his wrong doings from time to time does help, imo. But sure, you don't have to like it, keeping it behind closed doors isn't the worst thing to do, i guess.

Cheers!
 

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We will never be play free flowing, attacking football until he drops Rooney. He should know this.
 

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Give him time to find his team and system guys.. it's just been like five games? The PL was never won/lost in the first fixtures.
 

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Great start but losing 3 in a row is putting a serious dent in his grade. I wonder if he got too carried away by the physical domination idea of having a bunch of big brutes, like Fellaini.
 
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