Wumminator
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Telling his players to get sent off. Breaking bans by sneaking in at half time.Sorry if this makes too much sense but I'm going to say it anyway.
How is Mourinho a cheat?
Telling his players to get sent off. Breaking bans by sneaking in at half time.Sorry if this makes too much sense but I'm going to say it anyway.
How is Mourinho a cheat?
I called Mourinho a cheat, you asked if I was talking about Sir Alex.What has that got to do with anything?
Prove. It.Telling his players to get sent off.
Which he was never charged with, was he not?Breaking bans by sneaking in at half time.
Mourinho hid in laundry basket to beat ban | ReutersThe situation is very clear. Both matches were controlled by UEFA and they were more than satisfied on both nights that their ruling was intact, hence the statements that were issued by UEFA at the time and subsequently.
He didn't win the league the year he bailed on Chelsea leaving them on the verge of not qualifying past the Champions League first group stage and behind in the league.I do think that Mourinho has to build a great club to match someone like Fergie, turning a club around almost singlehandidly. But he's already one of the very best. I mean the man has not gone through a single year in recent times without success. He's won the league every single year.
I said ask a non United fan what their response to your question would be. You replied by asking me, a United fan, whether I think SAF is a cheat.I called Mourinho a cheat, you asked if I was talking about Sir Alex.
It has everything to do with what you said.
I haven't said he should manage Bolton. What I have said he's joined very successful sides, and made them successful whilst spending a lot of money. Twice now when he's faced two very hard opposition (barca and United) he's fought with his owners who've been very accommodating, and asked for more funds.Yes, he should step into teams like Bolton and build them up
And let's dismiss all those trophies.
And the fact that teams fall on hard times when he leaves has nothing to do with his management and the management abilities of those who follow.
Spectacular.
You've moved beyond blinders and cut your head off.
When I said Mourinho was a cheat, why did you bring Sir Alex into it. I said "Mourinho is a cheat" you said "Are you talking about Sir Alex"I said ask a non United fan what their response to your question would be. You replied by asking me, a United fan, whether I think SAF is a cheat.
Again, what has that got to do with anything?
It is called playing Devil's Advocate, you dolt.When I said Mourinho was a cheat, why did you bring Sir Alex into it. I said "Mourinho is a cheat" you said "Are you talking about Sir Alex"
See above.If you don't think Sir Alex is a cheat, as shown by your continual avoidance of the question, why did you ask if I was talking about Sir Alex? Were you trying to compare the two? If so, why do you think Sir Alex is a cheat.
And again. You are sharp as a bowling ball.You could have just said Mourinho wasn't a cheat. You could have just said why you think this. But you didn't, you bought Sir Alex into it. I find it massively disrespectful to Sir Alex for a "fan" to suggest he's arrogant and a cheat.
But why does it matter what opposition fans say? If you don't think Fergie is a cheat, why even bring him into the convo? If you think Fergie could be seen as a cheat fair enough. I'm confident enough to say he's a great manager whose not a cheat. I don't think opposition fans have a valid reason for calling him one.It is called playing Devil's Advocate, you dolt.
See above.
And again. You are sharp as a bowling ball.
Then you know absolutely nothing about the man who manages our club. If Jose is a "cheat" by your criteria, then so is SAF. A horrendous one, at that.But why does it matter what opposition fans say? If you don't think Fergie is a cheat, why even bring him into the convo? If you think Fergie could be seen as a cheat fair enough. I'm confident enough to say he's a great manager whose not a cheat. I don't think opposition fans have a valid reason for calling him one.
And if Jose is arrogant I hate to think what he would say about SAF if he managed anyone else.Then you know absolutely nothing about the man who manages our club. If Jose is a "cheat" by your criteria, then so is SAF. A horrendous one, at that.
Why? Would Fergie tell players to deliberately get sent off? Would Fergie sneak into a dressing room he's banned from? Would Fergie insult other managers like Mourinho does?Then you know absolutely nothing about the man who manages our club. If Jose is a "cheat" by your criteria, then so is SAF. A horrendous one, at that.
Precisely what fans of opposing teams have been saying about him for years.And if Jose is arrogant I hate to think what he would say about SAF if he managed anyone else.
Liverpool fans think Benitez is the best manager in the world - This is true.Precisely what fans of opposing teams have been saying about him for years.
No, he's taken three successful sides and made them into very successful sides and he's done that without buying the biggest names.I haven't said he should manage Bolton. What I have said he's joined very successful sides, and made them successful whilst spending a lot of money. Twice now when he's faced two very hard opposition (barca and United) he's fought with his owners who've been very accommodating, and asked for more funds.
Yes.Why? Would Fergie tell players to deliberately get sent off?
Yes.Would Fergie sneak into a dressing room he's banned from?
Yes.Would Fergie insult other managers like Mourinho does?
Again, ask opposition fans, see if they agree with you.Ferguson acts with a bit of class in things he does.
You really DON'T know anything about our manager, do you. Have you never taken the time to read anything about SAF's history?He breaks laws by not talking to BBC out of loyalty to family. He recalls loanees due to loyalty to family. He looks after his own and players like Shawcross and Bellion still remain in contact with him.
You'd never see Ferguson sitting his child behind the opposition bench though. You'd never see him calling himself "the special one"
No, he's taken three successful sides and made them into very successful sides and he's done that without buying the biggest names.
Real Madrid are wondering of they can be the fourth but have too much pride to let him run the team his way.
United are already a very successful team as well as being a top club. Whether we'll need a Mourinho when SAF retires is a reasonable argument to pursue. Disputing that the man has given his clubs (and incidentally his players and the fans) what they asked for is just strange.
Twigginater (a United fan) thinks SAF is not a cheat. Clearly true. You are good at this.Liverpool fans think Benitez is the best manager in the world - This is true.
Stoke fans think Etherington is the best English winger - This is true.
Is this how your logic works?
Do you really require a recap of SAF's record of misdemeanours both on, and off the pitch?You can't just say some random qualifier like "opposition fans" and then use that for evidence. Mourinho is a cheat. He's been charged twice this year already I believe, for breaking the spirit of the game. Has Fergie ever told a player to be sent off? I can't remember it, yet you're comparing the two men.
You might want to add an allegedly there.Why? Would Fergie tell players to deliberately get sent off?
Allegedly.Would Fergie sneak into a dressing room he's banned from?
What an awful WUMWould Fergie insult other managers like Mourinho does?
He's breaking the rules still.Ferguson acts with a bit of class in things he does. He breaks laws by not talking to BBC out of loyalty to family.
Those player were due to finish a loan 3 days later with no games in between, so it was hardly family loyalty.He recalls loanees due to loyalty to family.
And Lampard, Drogba, Terry, Materazzi etc... aren't all in contact with José?He looks after his own and players like Shawcross and Bellion still remain in contact with him.
Ahh yes, everyone knows that José runs the ticket office.You'd never see Ferguson sitting his child behind the opposition bench though.
Fergie does the same thing in different ways, ever heard of a siege mentality?You'd never see him calling himself "the special one"
I don't "think so little of him." I just don't paint him as the patron saint of all that is holy in a feeble attempt to run down another manager who is guilty of many of the same things.Can't believe a United fan would think so little of Ferguson to be honest.
Eto'o = Free transferI'm not denying in the short term he's a great manager
But to say stuff like "without buying the biggest names" when he's spent millions on Etoo, Ozil, Drogba, Ballack and Schevchenko.
I'm also disputing the fact if he could manage a team long term.
Do you think Pep is the best manager in the world at the moment? He's been more succesful than Mourinho in the last two years.
You said buying the biggest names. He's bought some of the biggest names in football right there. What have transfer fees got to do with anything, especially when they're relatively big like those there.Eto'o = Free transfer
Ozil = £15M
Drogba = £24M
Ballack = Free transfer
Shevchenko = Abramovich signing.
He accepted a pathetic fine which was less than the legal costs of appeal, a smart move most will say.allegedly? He got found guilty and charged. That's not alleged.
"Sit my kid near the front" was probably the proviso of getting tickets, not "sit him behind the opponent bench so I can wind them up"And no Mourinho doesn't run the ticket office. But do you really think when the Real Madrid has his kids sitting behind the opposition bench, he hasn't asked for it? Do you really think other tickets weren't availible?
think? nice one.Do you think Ferguson would disrespect other managers like Jose does? Ranieri, Wenger, Benitez etc.
No there isn't.There's a difference between breaking the rules out of principle and cheating.
"When he's spent millions on the biggest names"You said buying the biggest names. He's bought some of the biggest names in football right there. What have transfer fees got to do with anything, especially when they're relatively big like those there.
You clearly dont know what you're talking about you're just making stuff up as you go, he didnt spend a dime on Eto'o Barça send him to Inter+money for Zlatan.I'm not denying in the short term he's a great manager
But to say stuff like "without buying the biggest names" when he's spent millions on Etoo, Ozil, Drogba, Ballack and Schevchenko.
I'm also disputing the fact if he could manage a team long term.
Do you think Pep is the best manager in the world at the moment? He's been more succesful than Mourinho in the last two years.
Well yeah, how does that invalidate him spending million on the list of players.You clearly dont know what you're talking about you're just making stuff up as you go, he didnt spend a dime on Eto'o Barça send him to Inter+money for Zlatan.
You said buying the biggest names. He's bought some of the biggest names in football right there. What have transfer fees got to do with anything, especially when they're relatively big like those there.
You're the one blathering on, why don't you do some digging to back up your point?Does anyone have a list of players he's signed?
So have all the other managers of big clubs. That's just how it works. There's haves and have nots in football. Some are able to spot a gem when their young, others, like Mourinho, were brought in specifically to bring INSTANT success. So, he bought. God forbid someone take advantage of the situation they are given and win. WIN. Did I mention "winning?"He's been at a massive club, with unlimited funds, buying some of the worlds biggest names.
'Bailed' on Chelsea? Transfers being made against his wishes and Directors of Football being brought in for no reason is why Mourinho ultimately left. Let's not forget his team that season came within a point of the league and within an inch of the Champions League.He didn't win the league the year he bailed on Chelsea leaving them on the verge of not qualifying past the Champions League first group stage and behind in the league.
He won't win the league this year.
Did he not buy those players then?
Jesus Christ, you're a fecking lunatic.
"Buying" means "buying."
Probably not, because both clubs (Real and Barca) are despicable clubs turning that league into a joke. It's effectively over already. Barca need to slip up twice realistically for Madrid to win the league.'Bailed' on Chelsea? Transfers being made against his wishes and Directors of Football being brought in for no reason is why Mourinho ultimately left. Let's not forget his team that season came within a point of the league and within an inch of the Champions League.
He might not win the league this year, it will most likely come down to El Classico again. Barca will slip up again at some point, like they did to Hercules.
Just majorly dislike him. I think he's classless, and probably my least favorite manager in football.I've seen some agenda rambles in the past, but you're taking it to a whole new level twig. Did he run over your cat?
It appears he got two of them on free transfers, so no, he did not "buy" them. They were free.Did he not buy those players then?
To be fair the wages for all of those blokes would have been massive, and that has to be taken into account whatever the transfer fee was. Also think Ballack got £10 million signing on fee.Eto'o = Free transfer
Ozil = £15M
Drogba = £24M
Ballack = Free transfer
Shevchenko = Abramovich signing.
Everything with Mourinho indicate throwing money at a problem. At Madrid it doesn't matter he's got Benzema, Ronaldo, Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso etc etc fit and ready to play. He hasn't got a striker who fits his system, so he's throwing his toys out the pram.To be fair the wages for all of those blokes would have been massive, and that has to be taken into account whatever the transfer fee was. Also think Ballack got £10 million signing on fee.
The hell is this?Eto'o = Free transfer
Ozil = £15M
Drogba = £24M
Ballack = Free transfer
Shevchenko = Abramovich signing.