Doesn't make it right though does it? We weren't losing or playing park the bus like against Liverpool and a point wouldn't have been the worst result. We won two trophies in Mou's first season and have started so well this season, there was no need to boo the manager there.
Mourinho has dig at United fans over Lukaku
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State of this forum when people are genuinely trying to make excuses for the stadium having a shite atmosphere. We could be playing the worst football in the history of the sport and losing every game and I'd still expect the fans to back the team completely.
I don't agree with how Jose has gone about it, but I agree with what he's saying. The atmosphere just hasn't really been as good over the past few years. I hope the club look into communicating with fans to try and remedy this. Not just for us but all clubs. Fans are what make the sport what it is.
I don't agree with how Jose has gone about it, but I agree with what he's saying. The atmosphere just hasn't really been as good over the past few years. I hope the club look into communicating with fans to try and remedy this. Not just for us but all clubs. Fans are what make the sport what it is.
Of course he's a better manager than Moyes and deserving of more respect. I'm talking about my affinity for the guy, based on his behavior.
Nothing in his CV makes him a more likable person than Moyes; unless you're willing to judge the measure of a man on their results on a football pitch.
There is absolutely nothing unlikable about Mourinho, unless you are an oppo fan imho.
I like how he’s protecting Lukaku even though he hasn’t done him in any favours in recent games.
The reaction to the Rashford/Martial sub was very strange I thought. Not exactly a negative change, and last time I checked Martial seemed to be a darling of our supporters. Odd times.
Jose's got it wrong here.
With Lukaku, Its not as if the crowd planned to groan. It was a natural and spontaneous reaction to seeing a player give up on chasing the ball. There's nothing wrong with that.
With the Rashford sub, its clear that in recent games, the United supporters were getting frustrated about the style of football and lack of attacking impetus. They wanted to see a more attacking approach, but when Jose switched like-for-like, it was like he wasn't going to go harder for the win.. He may not have intended this, but that was probably the immediate reaction from the fans.
The problem with Jose is that he expects unconditional backing from the fans, like fergie had. But he forgets that fergie didn't have this unconditional backing until many years after his appointment. If I'm not wrong, fergie had been booed on several occasions during his first few seasons. It took many years for fergie to earn the unconditional trust of the supporters. Its not fair for Jose to expect this immediately from the fans.
Jose needs to remember that he still has it all to prove, a capital one cup and europa league is not enough. Not too long ago, most United fans disliked him and mocked him frequently. Until he earns that trust, he has no right to criticize the fans.
With Lukaku, Its not as if the crowd planned to groan. It was a natural and spontaneous reaction to seeing a player give up on chasing the ball. There's nothing wrong with that.
With the Rashford sub, its clear that in recent games, the United supporters were getting frustrated about the style of football and lack of attacking impetus. They wanted to see a more attacking approach, but when Jose switched like-for-like, it was like he wasn't going to go harder for the win.. He may not have intended this, but that was probably the immediate reaction from the fans.
The problem with Jose is that he expects unconditional backing from the fans, like fergie had. But he forgets that fergie didn't have this unconditional backing until many years after his appointment. If I'm not wrong, fergie had been booed on several occasions during his first few seasons. It took many years for fergie to earn the unconditional trust of the supporters. Its not fair for Jose to expect this immediately from the fans.
Jose needs to remember that he still has it all to prove, a capital one cup and europa league is not enough. Not too long ago, most United fans disliked him and mocked him frequently. Until he earns that trust, he has no right to criticize the fans.
They weren't booing Martial.
Good on ya, I'll hunt it down. Thanks.
I read somewhere that they booed Lukaku at some point. Didn't hear it myself, but that's what I was talking about.
Theres a sizeable percentage of our fanbase whose views will have us in serious danger of becoming the next Liverpool.
From downgrading trophies and actual wins while pushing some naive narrative about the Utd way, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on young "sure things" because "We should be all over this"
Then we can talk away underperformances because of our young team and because of their youth "Next year can be our year"
Lets say Jose leaves due to dull football. Will it be the unproven winner Poch next? How long do we give him?
All of a sudden we could be staring down the barrell of a decade without the title.
We need to win now, if only to give our future managers time to breathe.
This growing pessimism is a curse on our club.
From downgrading trophies and actual wins while pushing some naive narrative about the Utd way, or spending ridiculous amounts of money on young "sure things" because "We should be all over this"
Then we can talk away underperformances because of our young team and because of their youth "Next year can be our year"
Lets say Jose leaves due to dull football. Will it be the unproven winner Poch next? How long do we give him?
All of a sudden we could be staring down the barrell of a decade without the title.
We need to win now, if only to give our future managers time to breathe.
This growing pessimism is a curse on our club.
As if some fans haven't attacked Mourinho before. How useful is that? Support the manager instead of giving him crap. Support the players, they live off a positive energy from the crowd. A booing crap crowd is counter to what needs to be achieved at Old Trafford.
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As long as he wins trophies and keep United competative he’s obviously not going to be let go off because some people don’t appreciate the style of football. This is not Real Madrid.
But yeah, I agree with your sentiment.
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We have a lot of weird fans on this site who don't even realize how fecking lucky we are to have Mourinho as our manager.
I'm aware they weren't booing him specifically, but rather the decision that was made. It's still baffling to me.
Fair enough Jose but the fans who part with there hard earned cash expect 100 percent in return,does Lukaku offer that percentage? honestly, at times it seems questionable and he does frustrate!! As for taking off Rashford when chasing a game,again,thats questionable as well as conservative,Ferguson I do not recall ever did such a thing when needing to win a game,he would be lobbing all the attackers on along with the proverbial kitchen sink!!
Except we have played some fantastic football this season and there’s a reason why we scored so many goals early on. We had a barrage of injuries and some big games at the same time so Jose has opted for a more pragmatic approach. we saw it time and time again under Fergie. whether it be the series of 1-0 wins when we had the likes of Ronaldo, Rooney or Tevez up front of playing narrow and on the counter every time we played Arsenal.
The majority of our games this season we have played attacking football. It’s like this forum has the memory of a goldfish.
Spot on. End of the day the club and its fans are bigger than any manager. We must not lose sight of that.. look at Arsenal, they have made the manager bigger than the club and its fans and they're paying the price.
Yes every fan is different and we might think each other has a shite opinion but at the end of the day, each opinion counts, we are all United fans.. so I don't particularly like seeing the manager attack fans, especially match-going ones who are paying hard earned cash to go watch the side play and ultimately want the team to do well as well as be entertained.
Kind of tired of seeing certain posters on here just attacking other posters left right and centre, almost as if they're the second coming of Duncan Castles. We had a different group of posters who thought LVG can't do wrong either which made them look ridiculous in the end.. yes Jose is more credible but doesn't mean he is infallible or his actions perfect.
Its agenda posting.
Our poorer football has coincided with our injuries. It always that way under Jose. Same thing happened under Chelsea in his last title winning season. He realized that his squad was getting stretched and focused on getting results. In the first half of the season, they had been playing the best football in the league.
I just don’t bother watching any interview with him. It helps with the “he’s a cu*!, but he’s our cu*!” law of having Jose as your manager.
He is the one creating the problem for our players. People groaned about that Lukaku sprint, that’s fine no one was on his back. Things like that are bound to happen when there is so little to engage them other than solid defending.
Also no one booed the player coming on or off but booed the decision when we are so used to at that point in a game when we are in it you would go for it by throwing an extra attacker on.
But the cheery, cheeky chap that landed on our shores the first time is no longer there. It’s like Chelsea and Pep ruined him.
This is one of the best videos I have seen on the internet I have to say. He feckingn nails it 100%
Football is a sanitized, Overly pc product now where the main interest is about making money and not about the fans supporting their local team.
That’s what every holier-than-thou fan says every time as well. Every club has good and bad fans, naturally United have more bad fans given the sheer size of Old Trafford and following worldwide. It also means we have more good fans than everyone else. Guess what, the average fan for all football clubs are exactly the same! Given the success for United during the last 20 years, of course there’s going to be a bit of bitching around - but again, that would happen to all sets of fans.
Yeah, that's just the way he operates. He's a strangely irked man.
Fans groan at a lot of things. Don't see the problem.
Get over it ? I never even asked for it man...
It's nothing to do with what Mourinho has or hasn't to "prove". Whatever he demands from the fans isn't because it's what he thinks he deserves, frankly I doubt he cares that much about the anti-mourinho fans' opinions. If he says something like this, it's because he knows it will bring a reaction that will benefit the team in future games at Old Trafford. Psychology doesn't just work on managers and players, it work on fans too. Jose knows exactly what he's aiming to achieve with his words, and his methods clearly work. He's the best manager bar none when it comes to getting home results. His home record here, and everywhere else, speaks for itself.
We're lucky to support Manchester United who due to the success under football's greatest ever manager (and one of the greatest a long time ago) are a giant club. Clubs of this stature will always attract top managers.This
We have a lot of weird fans on this site who don't even realize how fecking lucky we are to have Mourinho as our manager.
Btw with United and Jose it works both ways. He's definitely also very lucky to be managing a club like United.
Does it never end with José. The man is so miserable, always something to moan and complain about. It's only a matter of time time before he complains that the "Glory Glory Man United" song is putting too much pressure on the players and the coaching staff of the post Ferguson era.
A load of fuss over nothing, it’s hardly like he’s gone in hard on the fans. It’s a couple of comments I’m sure we will all live.
But but Hose Moanrinho is at it again? How will we cope? Won’t someone think of the fans!
@SirAF Are you actually Jose’s publicist? Every sort of critique of Jose and you are all over it
Utter bilge. Nails it my arse. Fans have always had a share of moaners amongst them. There have always been times when the atmosphere is a bit flat. There have been executive facilities since the 60s. You are merely looking at a discontented hipster of a Liverpool fan with his contrived, ridiculous accent, singing from the hipster song book. Anfield was always like a library during their successful period when their fans were accustomed to and expected success. He wouldn’t know that though, and believes the place was bouncing as Hansen played yet another pass back to the keeper during a 1-0 win vs Norwich. We used to ridicule them that the only time the atmosphere picks up is when they play United. No change there. Amusing to read on one of the most PC forums around that football is being sanitised.
Was looking for the White text but couldn't find it. You've got to be kidding mate. He's a brilliant manager but that's pretty much the only likeable thing about him.
He definitely said both comments (ref the Martial sub and Lukaku) in the tunnel to Sky immediately after the game.
That said, I don't really think he's done anything wrong here. Especially at home having the crowd onside is only of a benefit to the home players and booing a player being substituted - because essentially that's what it was - does nothing for the morale of the player coming on (though it didn't seem to affect Fellaini a few months ago).
He cries alot about the fans for someone who once managed Real Madrid.
Fair enough. I just think that he's crossed the line by criticizing the fans, because that means he's taking the fans for granted. The fans pay good money to watch the games and don't deserve to be criticized by the club.
Instead of coaxing support out from the fans, Jose's trying to wring every last drop. I don't see this being a sustainable strategy. Eventually, he's going to burn out the fans.
Spot on. I too thought it was really weird to take out Rashford. He seemed a bit tired but I think could have played at least another 10-15 minutes
He's right.