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You said that three minutes ago!Very pleased with Moyes from what I saw today, I'm looking forward to what he can do with our team.
You said that three minutes ago!Very pleased with Moyes from what I saw today, I'm looking forward to what he can do with our team.
By management, I meant management team = the sports side.Yeah, this summer showed that they do.
Don't feel he should be blamed? Who should we blame then, if not the chief executive? Gill's departure didn't come out of the blue, we had known for months in advance; there was plenty of time for Woodward and co. to pick up some tips. I'll say it again: being the CEO of Manchester United is not a position in which you're afforded patience or where you have years to learn the job. You're either up to it or not and Woodward and his team managed to embarass themselves and the club at every turn this summer. They SHOULD be blamed.To anwer a post in another thread:
By management, I meant management team = the sports side.
As for management of the club, more specifically Ed Woodward, I feel we don't know enough but it did look like someone discovering this whole new part of his job, and being uneasy with it. However, I don't feel he should be blamed, surely the club knew that with the departures of SAF and Gill, this would be a difficult period, I'm not sure the transition was handled perfectly.
Shouldn't be funny, but it isDon't understand his obsession with bringing in a new left back. Evra is in fine form.
21:00
Moyes: "Leighton's a no go? Get me Fabio Coentrao then!"
Ed: "Will do." Rubs hands and thinking "Ha, we already have Fabio, saved me some money there." Takes nap.
22:55
Moyes: "Is Coentrao OK now?"
Ed: "Coentrao? Who?"
Moyes: "Fabio Coentrao at Madrid! You fecked this one up too didn't you?!"
Ed: "Sorry, I'll get right on it." Calls Athletico Madrid.
23:05
Ed: "Sorry, couldn't be done, they just laughed at me at Athletico so he's probably not for sale. There's always the January window, right? Dave? Dave?"
I kind of agree with you, Ed didn't walk into the office one day and say 'I am the new CEO' someone within the club appointed him, they also need to take some of the blame for hiring someone who was incompetent at doing their job. We also don't know who was in charge of the transfers, for now we are just assuming it was Ed who was given the job to value players and bid accordingly.As for management of the club, more specifically Ed Woodward, I feel we don't know enough but it did look like someone discovering this whole new part of his job, and being uneasy with it. However, I don't feel he should be blamed, surely the club knew that with the departures of SAF and Gill, this would be a difficult period, I'm not sure the transition was handled perfectly.
Don't understand his obsession with bringing in a new left back. Evra is in fine form.
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I could understand his interest in Baines, he's worked with him and really wanted to do it again, he was very vital to Everton's set up.was going to ask this same question. evra is still doing great. we have fabio. buttner might not be the best defender around but he can play some of our home fixtures if we really need to give paddy a rest.
if the injuries are so bad to our Lbs then we still have evans. he can play at LB. if not giggs can play there. i bet we can even throw anderson or cleverley there and we will be okay.
Agreed, at the end of the day it was Woodward who has to do the deals. Moyes cant work with the team and try to sort these types of issues. My only gripe with Moyes is I feel he was happy leaving it to the last minute because that what he was used to at Everton but at United it shouldn't work that way.Yeah that's all bollocks, to be fair Mockney. Moyes targeted a higher calibre of player than we have in years and they weren't interested. Most of us would have took Fellaini before the window opened. Moyes isn't to blame for what happened this summer.
Refusing to take off Giggs, playing Valencia at right back, insisting we played well...it was like a Fergie tribute act.the weekend at Anfield was a Fergie performance
He identified one incredibly unrealistic target who nobody thought we'd ever get (which bore out as true) and two people from his former club, a significant level below us. One of which we didn't need. At both ends of the spectrum he seems out of kilter so far. He also then decided to go for another two players right on deadline day. This is just as much his fault as Woodwards.Yeah that's all bollocks, to be fair Mockney. Moyes targeted a higher calibre of player than we have in years and they weren't interested. Most of us would have took Fellaini before the window opened. Moyes isn't to blame for what happened this summer.
Judge him in 2 years time.
Agreed, at the end of the day it was Woodward who has to do the deals. Moyes cant work with the team and try to sort these types of issues. My only gripe with Moyes is I feel he was happy leaving it to the last minute because that what he was used to at Everton but at United it shouldn't work that way.
He was known as 'Dithering Dave' at Everton but I always suspected that was due to having to find last-minute bargains, possibly having finally sold off one of his more expensive players. He completely deserves the benefit of the doubt on the transfer policy, I didn't buy into his stuff about how he could only start working on things in July (he knew he was manager by early May) but it did leave us behind and also meant he was looking for a different calibre of player than he would've been intensely scouting at Everton.
However, there has still been dithering by him and the club. We didn't bid for Fabregas until mid July, straight after Barca had sold Thiago, and although we decided we'd try to let Fellaini's clause expire to get a better deal (that went brilliantly) we didn't actually bid for 3 weeks after the clause had expired. We also only made an offer for a player with a complicated release clause with 4 days left and then seemingly failed to go back in until deadline day. Hopefully Moyes and, in particular, Woodward learn from the mistakes made this year and will have more time to plan what to do next year. Despite it all, we've actually come out of it not too badly (possibly one player short) and with plenty of money left over.
Moyes' start overall has been ok but unspectacular, the transfer market was frustrating, he's carried himself reasonably well barring the odd cock-up and the results have been about par even if we've been a bit negative. Thankfully he's at a club where he most of the fans will rightly give him time to develop into the manager he can be and build the team that he's capable of.
Can someone tell me what exactly Moyes offer/bring to United as a manager apart from the fact that he's Scottish and he claimed he's hard working ?
The press is part and parcel of modern footballing life. United get good press when they deserve it and bad press when they don't. Moyes willMy big hope is that Moyes over the last couple of weeks has come to understand exactly why Sir Alex viewed the press as an enemy of this football club.
Don't agree with the Cleverley part. I think he has been fine and given time will continue to improve.I want to see Kagawa play more (is he fit?).
Less Giggs, Cleverly and Young.
I like Cleverley too but not for the game at Anfield. I would have preferred Anderson in that position for that game. Presumably Fellani now will occupy that spot.Don't agree with the Cleverley part. I think he has been fine and given time will continue to improve.
Giggs I think we need to ration his time on the pitch and keep him fresh for the second part of the season where he usually shines.
Kagawa not playing is a real mystery. But hopefully with Fellaini on board this will encourage Moyes to field him more often with the protection our new signing provides. Should be no excuse not to use Kagawa over someone like Young or even Giggs.
I suppose hindsight is 20/20. Cleverley didn't have the best of matches at anfield. However, if someone told you we would manage 57% possession over there and limit them to almost no chances you wouldn't believe them. We've always struggled there because of the game raising cnuts they are. But it was honestly the best we've played in terms of possession and limiting danger that I can remember. I do believe that Cleverley and Carrick had a lot to do with that. Its just a shame we chose the wrong attacking players (Giggs! Young!) to provide the cutting edge.I like Cleverley too but not for the game at Anfield. I would have preferred Anderson in that position for that game. Presumably Fellani now will occupy that spot.
Giggsy is still a player but as you say maybe not a regular starter at this point.
I like the thought of using someone at Anfield to keep Johnson occupied and allow Evra to come forward but I would have used Welbeck to do that to free up the spot for Kagawa. Again that is if he was fit enough to start.
Lets be honest. If one of us had written a self deprecating WUM of Moyes's first few months in charge, we' be hard pressed to top this without slipping into surrealism.
Obviously we should all "get behind him" and should be years off calling for his dismissal or anything of the sort, but it's incredibly disheartening how low rent his approach has been so far. The petty haggling and negotiation goofs may not be his fault, but the Cookish pursuing of Fabregas was, and the seeming indication that the only serious targets he had his heart set on where a couple of players from Everton, one of whom we didn't need, is exactly the kind of thing we'd been joking about all summer.
The idea of an upper mid table man with an upper mid table mindset promoted beyond his comfort zone has been the elephant in the room for months now. So far I've seen nothing to contradict it, sadly. The overwhelming impression of graft > creativity given by his recent team/sub selections in big games we didn't even score in doesn't help matters either.
I dearly hope to be proved wrong. These are just my concerns at this - admittedly very early - point.