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Watching all the various clips with Arenas on ESPN. These were very good, the man is very funny
Also very interesting and knows a lot about the sport and is good at getting his point across. Rarely banal, too
 

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Nick Nurse is a seriously impressive coach. To go to LA without Lowry and Ibaka and still comfortably beat Lakers is extremely good. They are 7-2 and cruising now, should probably win 50+ games again. Some reinforcements are needed though because that bench is too thin.
 

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Boucher has been a nice contributor for our Raps so far
 

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These NBA refs are a disgrace. The Raptors keep playing by a different rule set. In ever single game, we have had to contend with not only the opposition but the NBA referees.

I'm sick of their xenophobic approach to Raptors games. I just hope that someone from the Raptors org keeps calling them out on this. This is not right.
 

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@mazhar13 I missed the game, what happened?
Nothing in particular. The refs were allowing the Clippers to play their aggressive defence and let them get away with lots of contact. We, on the other hand, conceded more fouls whilst playing similarly. They took ~15 more free throws than us as a result. Given how close the game was, this is not acceptable.

We fought really hard for a back-to-back game against the Clippers and with 2 injuries. Despite that, the game was decided by the refs.
 

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It is not the first game that some questionable calls went Clippers way in the 4th (Spurs game for example). Considering both teams played super aggressive the margin in free-throws was too much.

Raptors looked excellent again though. Great defense (Lebron scored 13, Kawhi now just 12 with 9 TO) and probably best transition offense in the league so far.
 

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Not convinced at all about VanVleet playing 45 minutes on a second night of back to back or Siakam playing 43 minutes two nights in a row...
 

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Not convinced at all about VanVleet playing 45 minutes on a second night of back to back or Siakam playing 43 minutes two nights in a row...
Not ideal but they've got injuries to Lowry and Ibaka haven't they?

Normal circumstances, they wouldn't be playing such heavy minutes.
 

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Not ideal but they've got injuries to Lowry and Ibaka haven't they?

Normal circumstances, they wouldn't be playing such heavy minutes.
They do, and their bench is pretty thin though Boucher and Davis seem like they are ready to contribute. They badly need more depth and will probably be in the market for players quite soon. It also doesn't look like Stanley Johnson will work out. Maybe Rondae will contribute. I actually slightly like Matt Thomas as well.
 

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Not convinced at all about VanVleet playing 45 minutes on a second night of back to back or Siakam playing 43 minutes two nights in a row...
Think they all had "feck, we can win back to back LA games" moment and went all in. Also, genuinely looked like a better team going into the last quarter. Hard to bench players in this instance.

They will most lakely manage it a bit better in the future.
 

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Lowry out, Ibaka out and OG going down after 2 minutes.

They can be damn proud of that effort.
 

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Think they all had "feck, we can win back to back LA games" moment and went all in. Also, genuinely looked like a better team going into the last quarter. Hard to bench players in this instance.

They will most lakely manage it a bit better in the future.
I'm sure they will. It's early into season and building up a nice record now should allow them to get some rest in the crucial period too.

Wonder if they'll be trading for anyone significant or will they let the same roster roll until the end of season. They are in an interesting position where they've basically started their rebuild while maintaining a highly competitive core. Because their scouting is fantastic they don't actually have to have high draft picks to build a good team. They took Siakam and Anunoby with late firsts and acquired VanVleet out of nowhere, basically. Those three will be the core going forward, and I imagine they will try to acquire some nice pieces from free agency this year before going big in 2021 (they apparently want Giannis and have a chance). I could see them offering lucrative deals to players like Malik Beasley, basically to fill out the roster with quality without overspending.

They have fantastic culture, great coach, great fans and can develop players better than most teams, they'll always be an attractive proposition for free agents out there.
 

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I'm sure they will. It's early into season and building up a nice record now should allow them to get some rest in the crucial period too.

Wonder if they'll be trading for anyone significant or will they let the same roster roll until the end of season. They are in an interesting position where they've basically started their rebuild while maintaining a highly competitive core. Because their scouting is fantastic they don't actually have to have high draft picks to build a good team. They took Siakam and Anunoby with late firsts and acquired VanVleet out of nowhere, basically. Those three will be the core going forward, and I imagine they will try to acquire some nice pieces from free agency this year before going big in 2021 (they apparently want Giannis and have a chance). I could see them offering lucrative deals to players like Malik Beasley, basically to fill out the roster with quality without overspending.

They have fantastic culture, great coach, great fans and can develop players better than most teams, they'll always be an attractive proposition for free agents out there.
Yeah, and quite a change from the perception not so long ago. Willing to take risks (Kawhi trade), great eye for talent along with an obviously very talented coach and a resilient team on the floor. Masai is already seen as one of the best executives in the NBA. Pretty impressive altogether. No matter how this season goes (probably playoff and putting a good fight against one of 76ers, Bucks or Celtics) the future looks bright.

Tbh, would love them to continue this way and be a successful franchise. After all, they have the whole country behind them. Just need to throw Drake out somehow. :wenger:
 

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Not convinced at all about VanVleet playing 45 minutes on a second night of back to back or Siakam playing 43 minutes two nights in a row...
Lowry and Ibaka went off injured just before the road trip and Kawhi injured OG 2 minutes into the game last night. Not ideal to load up so many minutes on Siakam and FVV but 3 starters are out so you do what you have to against 2 of the best teams in the league unfortunately.
 

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These NBA refs are a disgrace. The Raptors keep playing by a different rule set. In ever single game, we have had to contend with not only the opposition but the NBA referees.

I'm sick of their xenophobic approach to Raptors games. I just hope that someone from the Raptors org keeps calling them out on this. This is not right.
:lol:
 

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These NBA refs are a disgrace. The Raptors keep playing by a different rule set. In ever single game, we have had to contend with not only the opposition but the NBA referees.

I'm sick of their xenophobic approach to Raptors games. I just hope that someone from the Raptors org keeps calling them out on this. This is not right.
A tad too dramatic no ?
 

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These NBA refs are a disgrace. The Raptors keep playing by a different rule set. In ever single game, we have had to contend with not only the opposition but the NBA referees.

I'm sick of their xenophobic approach to Raptors games. I just hope that someone from the Raptors org keeps calling them out on this. This is not right.
Could be worse, you could be a Knicks fan.
 

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Could be worse, you could be a Knicks fan.
This is 100% true.

You just won a world title mate and will probably make the playoffs yet again. On the flip side the Knicks just got blown out by the Cavs at home :lol::lol:
 

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A tad too dramatic no ?
Could be worse, you could be a Knicks fan.
This is 100% true.

You just won a world title mate and will probably make the playoffs yet again. On the flip side the Knicks just got blown out by the Cavs at home :lol::lol:
Yeah, it is dramatic, and the timing is poor, but I was thinking about posting this for the past few years. I expected it to be received negatively, but there has rarely been a stretch of games where I felt that the Raptors were reffed fairly.

I'm looking past performances and W/L records; I'm merely evaluating the refereeing performances for our games.
 

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Yeah, it is dramatic, and the timing is poor, but I was thinking about posting this for the past few years. I expected it to be received negatively, but there has rarely been a stretch of games where I felt that the Raptors were reffed fairly.

I'm looking past performances and W/L records; I'm merely evaluating the refereeing performances for our games.
You can have your grievances with refereeing though you didn't just merely evaluate it, you hinted at some form of horrible bias
 

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You can have your grievances with refereeing though you didn't just merely evaluate it, you hinted at some form of horrible bias
Oh yeah, I did take it too far, and I acknowledge that. My anger on the spot played a role.

Having said that, the correlation is way too uncanny for me. I may have to watch replays of our matches this season and really see what's going on.
 

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Nah you're fine @mazhar13 the nba refs have always been crooks reffing for the bigger media market. (Actually I haven't watched the NBA regularly in a decade but that's why I stopped. Always felt like there's no age limit for refs either)
It's really just the WWE with taller more diverse men and a ball
 

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Nah you're fine @mazhar13 the nba refs have always been crooks reffing for the bigger media market. (Actually I haven't watched the NBA regularly in a decade but that's why I stopped. Always felt like there's no age limit for refs either)
It's really just the WWE with taller more diverse men and a ball
Toronto is also one of the biggest media markets too
 

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Toronto is also one of the biggest media markets too
It is? I thought it's LA > NY > Chicago > Miami and then everyone else? (The world does change though and I haven't been paying attention)
 

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Tough loss to the Lakers. This match shows how we lack someone that can keep up with LeBron's physicality and slow him down.

Having Ayton back would help next time.
 

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What high lottery prospects should I be looking at and what value can we get for Lillard in the market?
 

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Well this turned quickly from a week back when you had Portland as one of the certain playoff teams
 

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Well this turned quickly from a week back when you had Portland as one of the certain playoff teams
Yeah back then we did not really have half of our team injured. Collins being out basically throws away any chance we had at defending in the paint, and removes our only starting caliber power forward.

At full strength this is a 50+ win team. In current shape it's at best a 41-41 team.

BTW trading Lillard is obviously not going to happen, nor do I want it to happen. He's playing at MVP level this season. We just need to surround him with better players.
 

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What high lottery prospects should I be looking at and what value can we get for Lillard in the market?
Lamelo, Cole Anthony, Wiseman, Anthony Edwards....these 4 stand out to me so far.
 

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Lamelo, Cole Anthony, Wiseman, Anthony Edwards....these 4 stand out to me so far.
Big pass on LaMelo and Cole Anthony, don't need a point guard and I think I don't like LaMelo anyway. Wiseman and Edwards though...
 

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Big pass on LaMelo and Cole Anthony, don't need a point guard and I think I don't like LaMelo anyway. Wiseman and Edwards though...
Ya Wiseman is a monster in the paint. I agree you guys have Dame already so you don't need a point guard. Do you think Portland would trade CJ?
 

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Can Trae Young actually turn out even better than Doncic?

Both seem like they will become perennial all-stars, and Atlanta can no longer be ridiculed for the trade. Sacramento on the other hand...