Excellent answer from Amorim!
Unfortunately Gary plays to the tune of his Sky bosses and tries to stir controversy to the gullible.
Neville - ‘’no style of play’’
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Excellent answer from Amorim!
Unfortunately Gary plays to the tune of his Sky bosses and tries to stir controversy to the gullible.
Yeah on this occasion I didn’t understand the negativity yesterday from him and Keane.
Keane actually bored me during his analysis, it was actually Richards and Christensen trying to actually bring the convo back to game analysis.
I know it’s not the city of old but they still generally create a lot and get in the box a lot and we almost completely negated that.
This team have been outplayed, outran and outfought by Ipswich and Southampton in games this season. None of that happened or even looked like happening yesterday. If it wasn’t for our mediocre players in the final third we probably win that game quite comfortably.
Keane actually bored me during his analysis, it was actually Richards and Christensen trying to actually bring the convo back to game analysis.
I know it’s not the city of old but they still generally create a lot and get in the box a lot and we almost completely negated that.
This team have been outplayed, outran and outfought by Ipswich and Southampton in games this season. None of that happened or even looked like happening yesterday. If it wasn’t for our mediocre players in the final third we probably win that game quite comfortably.
This is when he proved he’s turning anti Utd or anti any manager after Fergie. His statements City played poor because they are not as good as they were, in their prime, yet we played poor (but somehow better than them)because x,y z.. Double standards from poor commentator who loves to hear his own voice talking shit.
Just stop listening to them (Neville, Keane, Scholes etc).
Haven't listened to any of them for a couple of months now and I'm all the better for it.
Haven't listened to any of them for a couple of months now and I'm all the better for it.
He tries so hard to not be biased, he has gone the complete other way, in that he can never even say anything semi positive about United.
I think Gary was more critical of football in general.
But he's about two years behind the curve. Fans have been saying it's becoming boring for years whilst he's been championing it as amazing.
But he's about two years behind the curve. Fans have been saying it's becoming boring for years whilst he's been championing it as amazing.
I do ask is Neville's commentary on yesterday's game any worse than those who say our performance was evidence of 'turning a corner' or 'heading in the right direction'?
Recently watched a retrospective on Neville's time at Valencia. It's well worth a watch. Tactically, this guy is an idiot. It is one of the most disastrous spells any manager has had in a dugout.
He was really good at running up and down a wing and playing to David Beckham's strengths. He's really good at investing the millions hr made as a footballer to appear as a business man. He's a world class gobshite.
But don't confuse him with someone who understands how to manage a football team.
He was really good at running up and down a wing and playing to David Beckham's strengths. He's really good at investing the millions hr made as a footballer to appear as a business man. He's a world class gobshite.
But don't confuse him with someone who understands how to manage a football team.
Are they not meant to give us some insight into how the game was played, the strategies etc? It's like coming on here listening to them sometimes.
Yes? Things are clearly looking better, and we’ve just had three games in the league against Arsenal, City, and Forest, and we’ve looked quite comfortable and well-drilled in all of them. Better strikers or a Garnacho that’s not completely off the boil and we might have won all three.
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Its cause he's a foreigner.
It has come to the point that I'd rather listen to Carragher speak about United than Neville and Keane.
He got a lot of stick for being overly defensive of ETH, so perhaps he's a bit bitter that he's been sacked and is desperate to say 'I told you so' with regards to him being sacked.
He seems to have some sort of agenda against Amorim. He was never this critical with mourinho, LVG, Ole and even ten hag.
Switched off Keane yesterday when he was speaking post game . Neville appeared after him I listened to a bit of him but he was emphasising the fact football is gone boring
I sometimes feel like commentators think there’s only one team playing.. City won’t let you just do whatever you want.. they press high on purpose, they want you to pass it backwards, then they wait for the keeper to launch it upfield for a turnover.. Pep drills that stuff into them until they can do it in their sleep…
“be brave” is such a nothing comment.. what do you actually want them to do? There’s never any detail, just random sweeping statements… “everyone needs to be braver” .. but if the centre back went on a mad run, got tackled and then we conceded.. they’re the first people to rip them to pieces saying it was immature or whatever.. better off ignoring them
“be brave” is such a nothing comment.. what do you actually want them to do? There’s never any detail, just random sweeping statements… “everyone needs to be braver” .. but if the centre back went on a mad run, got tackled and then we conceded.. they’re the first people to rip them to pieces saying it was immature or whatever.. better off ignoring them
It's getting really fecking tiresome.
I guarantee you if that same match had played out yesterday between City and Liverpool all of that talk would've been about what a "chess match" of a game it was. Because it was us, though, obviously it was really just that both sides were completely shite and "robotic".
To be fair, I can't be too harsh on the pundits because there is only so many different ways you can say "United have flushed away untold amounts of money on really poor forwards and this is the result of that".
I'm honestly really happy with how Amorim is setting the team up at the moment. Right now we are simply being held back by some utterly crap play in the final third, and there's honestly nothing he can really do about that until the summer. We don't have the players (especially up front) to change it.
I guarantee you if that same match had played out yesterday between City and Liverpool all of that talk would've been about what a "chess match" of a game it was. Because it was us, though, obviously it was really just that both sides were completely shite and "robotic".
To be fair, I can't be too harsh on the pundits because there is only so many different ways you can say "United have flushed away untold amounts of money on really poor forwards and this is the result of that".
I'm honestly really happy with how Amorim is setting the team up at the moment. Right now we are simply being held back by some utterly crap play in the final third, and there's honestly nothing he can really do about that until the summer. We don't have the players (especially up front) to change it.
Our CBs did go on runs quite a few times too
It's one thing being drawn into a false sense of optimism with cup wins under Ten Hag or even a second place league finish and EL final under Ole. However, to do so following a painfully drab and uninspiring set of of two draws and a loss (while applying dubious hypotheticals) is a whole other level of baseless blind faith.
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Turning a corner is too strong but clearly there is progress.
The 13th place team outplays a team in 5th place and ends up drawing. That may not be a cause for celebration but certainly a decent performance, no?
I’m thoroughly sick of the pair of them. Keane and Neville have become a couple of clowns where it comes to United. They were both so negative about United yesterday, undeservedly so in my opinion. It felt forced and scripted and is so so disappointing from a couple of supposed legends.
Neville’s wrap up after the game in particular had him saying that if city end up winning the FA Cup and getting in the CL, it will have been a fantastic season for them. He then went on to say that if United win the EL (& therefore get in to the CL) it will be a get out of jail card…absolute helmet!!!
Neville’s wrap up after the game in particular had him saying that if city end up winning the FA Cup and getting in the CL, it will have been a fantastic season for them. He then went on to say that if United win the EL (& therefore get in to the CL) it will be a get out of jail card…absolute helmet!!!
I know this is the Gary Neville thread but Keane straight up saying "I don't want to hear anything about tactics today" was pretty hilarious.
These guys get paid extremely handsomely to talk about football. They should be able to contribute slightly more to the discussion than "the lads just don't want it enough".
You get better discussion of the game on here.
These guys get paid extremely handsomely to talk about football. They should be able to contribute slightly more to the discussion than "the lads just don't want it enough".
You get better discussion of the game on here.
Yep. Yesterday it was all 'they're too regimented, there's no risk, they're scared to try something, this is really making me ANGRY
'But literally two months ago:
- Gary Neville 9th February 2025
Perhaps the Sky team needs freshening up. Neville was great when he started but it's a part of his comfort zone now.
I guess its hard for these two failed managers to simply accept that they'll never get their dream job (ie sitting on SAF's seat) simply because they aren't good enough.
Neville is past it, and needs putting out to pasture. Talking about a lack of style of play, suggesting we play with a low block, not seeing patterns of play, literally none of that is true. It's like he never watched Amorim's sporting, because all of these things he talked about, are exactly how he played. It's not a low block, we still pressed high yesterday, but we also have the ability to drop back into a shape when they get the ball into our half, with the back 5, which makes it difficult to break down. I don't know how you can see the way we shift the ball from wing to wing, and don't think that is genuinely different to the way we have played before.
I take very little notice of either TV or radio pundits, you get the odd one who was a decent manager, the rest are just Rent-a-gobs who no nothing about tactics at all. They are just there to fire up social media with controversial comments and soundbites.
Good find, thanksYep. Yesterday it was all 'they're too regimented, there's no risk, they're scared to try something, this is really making me ANGRY
But literally two months ago:
- Gary Neville 9th February 2025
Yesterday is the first time I’ve really noticed that he’ll criticise no matter what. Were doing everything he said we should do (including 3 at the back) and he’s now complaining about all the things he previously suggested himself
Yeah United still deserve criticism. No United team should be bottom half. It’s unacceptable. But we all need to also understand the context of what Amorim and INEOS have walked in to
Sure, if you nevermind all context. They both had several transfer windows behind them and weren’t implementing a system that’s significantly different mid-season, during the biggest crisis the club has seen since before Fergie. Financially and performance-wise our back was broken, Sancho and Rashford were phoning it in so much that they needed to go, leaving us with two fresh players with no Premier League track record to be our strikers. Garnacho has deteriorated when it comes to decision-making, Amad got a serious injury after seriously stepping up, and Licha, Shaw, Mount, Mainoo (even if he’s not been great this season), etc.
Turned a corner might be a bit much, I’m not saying we’re back, but we’ve made good progress and the players are looking a lot more comfortable with his system now, and we’ve been in control of our matches of late, against solid opposition.
If you don’t see that as grounds for being encouraged then I don’t know what to tell you. I’m sick of false dawns too, but the green shoots of progress are there for all to see.
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Agreed. Keane will acknowledge that we need better players up front, and then in the same breath insist they need to show a bit of quality up top.
I think top top players often have such a good intuitive understanding of the sport that they don’t understand those who don’t, and they aren’t useful in articulating the finer points of the game to the rest of us.
It's because he's mates with Ashworth, who didn't want Amorim.
Sports Entertainment! the goal for the panel is to say something Sky can clip up and get trending, Keane and Gary are naturals at giving the bosses what they want.
Forget giving any kind of nuanced feedback or analysis on management, not that Gary has any expertise to give on the topic. But Keane having managed a few clubs could offer some kind of balanced view...but nah feck that! better to just scowl and deliver a one liner that offers nothing to the discussion.
But the pair of them are making loads of money from slagging United off so fair play...who knew being miserable and sipping Huel could be such a profitable money earner.
I am so fed up with Neville's constant negativity, these days he is just a headline seeking mouth, he can never commentate on match, especially a Utd game without trying to grab the headlines with something he says.
Yesterday we played really well and should/could have won, considering where we are and who we were up against he gave zero praise, zero recognition of any improvement, just moaned about the lack of risk form both sides, yet I guarantee if we had gone gung-ho and ended up getting beaten on a break, he and Keane would have crucified us for stupidity, tactically we were sound yesterday, and the only issue was the lack of a quality striker and Garncho's inability to find any end product.
Yesterday we played really well and should/could have won, considering where we are and who we were up against he gave zero praise, zero recognition of any improvement, just moaned about the lack of risk form both sides, yet I guarantee if we had gone gung-ho and ended up getting beaten on a break, he and Keane would have crucified us for stupidity, tactically we were sound yesterday, and the only issue was the lack of a quality striker and Garncho's inability to find any end product.
Found Neville bit annoying even before but yesterday he as unbearable as others have said. I remember last season when we were losing 4-0 to Palace, bottling 3-0 lead vs Coventry etc. and Carragher was pushing him to criticise ten Hag and he was resisting. Think he wasn't much different at the start of this season even though we got dominated vs Liverpool and Spurs at home.
Keane annoying as well. Guess they're doing it to get Sky Sports views etc. but still irritaiting given how much they defended Ole and ten Hag. It was ten Hag that got 3 preseasons and we got worse with time. On the other hand Carragher was spot on with his criticism of ten Hag's United.
We've all watched United over last decade. Other than under LvG (partly), it was mostly big teams dominating us and creating more chances. Under Amorim we were pretty equal in the game at Anfield, equal if not better against City and better than Arsenal in 2nd half at Old Trafford. First game at Emirates was not bad either as it was in the first few weeks under Amorim. Game at Emirates in the Fa Cup we'd have won it in 90 minutes imo if Dalot didn't get second yellow.
Keane annoying as well. Guess they're doing it to get Sky Sports views etc. but still irritaiting given how much they defended Ole and ten Hag. It was ten Hag that got 3 preseasons and we got worse with time. On the other hand Carragher was spot on with his criticism of ten Hag's United.
We've all watched United over last decade. Other than under LvG (partly), it was mostly big teams dominating us and creating more chances. Under Amorim we were pretty equal in the game at Anfield, equal if not better against City and better than Arsenal in 2nd half at Old Trafford. First game at Emirates was not bad either as it was in the first few weeks under Amorim. Game at Emirates in the Fa Cup we'd have won it in 90 minutes imo if Dalot didn't get second yellow.
The irony is Neville does actually think it's a boring style, he said so on one of the fan debate episodes but yet in his other media work he generally says the opposite. Pep uses possession both offensively and defensively, the most boring of tactics and why people call his teams robotic, sterile etc. Amorim was pragmatic because, I assume, every man and his dog knows that is the best way to beat this City team and has been for many years. He made the correct tactical choice and yet that is not good enough to make headlines and clickbait articles, so another week of negative headlines follow.
Do you watch the games?
Yep. Yesterday it was all 'they're too regimented, there's no risk, they're scared to try something, this is really making me ANGRY
But literally two months ago:
- Gary Neville 9th February 2025
He really is a dumbass.
It was obvious that Mazraoui wasn't following instructions that day.
It's o coincidence that we look better now our rcb and lcb are more aggressive in pushing in to midfield to mark player rather than space
Again, just ignore them.
It’s Sky and their desire to make a mountain out of a mole hill and soap opera-like, with Neville, Keane, Carragher and Drury as the Greek chorus. The top story on the Sky Sports main page wasn’t about the result. It was Roy Keane saying about how this is not good enough for United. The talking heads are more important than the result to them.
I hate Sky’s presentation ever since they lost the Champions League rights. They’ve become even more cult-like with their precious Premier League. Look how bent out of shape they got over the Super League. Whatever you think about that, it threatens their product first and foremost. Them caring about the integrity of the English football pyramid is secondary. That whole week was laughable at just how disingenuous they are.
I hate Sky’s presentation ever since they lost the Champions League rights. They’ve become even more cult-like with their precious Premier League. Look how bent out of shape they got over the Super League. Whatever you think about that, it threatens their product first and foremost. Them caring about the integrity of the English football pyramid is secondary. That whole week was laughable at just how disingenuous they are.
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I stopped listening to any form of football analysis. It clouds your judgment on what's happening.