I wouldn't say they are far worse, I despise the Saudi and UAE regimes and believe both are guilty of war crimes in the Yemen.
You are right. Saudi local news actually published their names and crimes. The crimes are organized and horrific.
I guess that’s why one of our morons was holding up a Russian flag at the derby, where songs like ‘f### Ukraine’ were sung too. I found it embarrassing tbh. Let’s get our own house in order before criticising others too much……..
I suppose it's merely a happy coincidence that they chose to carry out this mass execution while the rest of the world was distracted by Russia invading Ukraine.
Literally anything they want it to …when they decide they want to have someone killed. It was one of the charges, but more than one of the deaths fell under that conviction, right?
Whatever floats their boat.
I assume there are pictures or videos of that incident yes?
I really hope that’s not true but if it is I now get why tickets aren’t allowed to be sold right now, etc. makes more sense at least.
They're a weird one. Much of their fanbase are the blandest bunch of day trippers you could ever meet but on the other extreme you have this bunch of racist nutcases that give any club firms a run for their money. In my experience with Stamford Bridge there aren't many in the middle and I don't know why.
Yes, the media don't exactly put pressure on club ownership either. If it makes a good watch and 'competitive' league then Sky won't complain.
Again, I'm not trying to take sides here but we've all jumped onto some sources and take it for the truth. I could be wrong here and this might actually be just killing 81 folks who were against the government for fun but the official news is they were ISIS and AL Qaeda terrorists who killed people.
According to UNHCR 41 of the executed were Shi’a, primarily from Qatif and accused of involvement in the mini-uprising there a decade or so ago.
It is whataboutism. It is not a moral argument here, the war in the Ukraine threatens our security and what the Saudi's are doing does not. The actions taken by the Government are connected to the threat of Putin's ambition spilling over into a full scale European conflict and an attempt to apply pressure on his inner circle to rein him in or take him out. The Government would love us to think they are acting out of moral or ethical concerns but the fact is they could not give a f*** about Ukraine or its people but they do fear Putin and what comes next.
Usually means Atheist, Agnostics or LGBT.
Well…, THAT isn’t true. The crown prince effectively drives the behavior of most of the middle eastern contingent of OPEC+. Putin has only invaded an area after oil reaches 100 a barrel. Biden and others tried to meet with him about stabilizing the price of oil, which would cut Russia’s legs out from under him, and he refused. He refused to even meet us. He has been meeting with Putin directly instead, and they have vowed solidarity. They are direct allies.
Please, stop parroting the narrative of the media.
No. Whataboutism is when you try to hide one bad thing by showing some other bad thing. If you say two things are bad, then it is not whataboutism.
Putin is a lunatic who would willingly go to war with NATO and potentially launch a nuclear strike, MBS has no such notions.
I don't agree.
In any sane world fans should know and for what its worth I would cease supporting United instantly if they were owned by the UAE, Saudis or Qatar. I get that Chelsea is more complex as the team does not represent Russia and RA is more John Gotti than Hitler but it would still leave a bad taste in my mouth knowing my club was owned by a known criminal.
Only a Chelsea or Newcastle or Man City etc fan would say this. Oh but how are we supposed to know! Chelsea are literally sanctioned because of links with Putin and you are still supporting Abramovich. Well some fans anyway. It is a fact about the atrocities of the Newcastle owner. You see any fans walking out? Any staff? Nope. That Scottish team is up in arms for hiring that rapist footballer. But mass murderer. Nope. He brings good players. Fkn ridiculous. And if you cant see that then I am astonished. You cant hide behind the oh how are we supposed to know argument. Its literally everywhere! Just read something.
That is not how whataboutism works. Whataboutism means responding to an accusation by making an accusation about something else.
Russia are invading Ukraine. What about the Saudi's cutting peoples heads off? Whataboutism.
Only if arguing that Russia invading Ukraine is ok because Saudi cuts off people's heads
Sorry, just to be clear, you're saying that the US is as responsible as Russia for Russia invading Ukraine?
That is just absolute bollocks tbf. I’m far from positive about the US but there’s only one person responsible for what’s happening in Ukraine.
I guess I see whataboutism as a way to deflect or avoid talking about something. I wouldn't consider it whataboutism if the other person agrees with you on this point and then wants to include a similar point into the discussion without taking away from the point you're making.
Could be wrong but I believe that poster is claiming that incident happened at the Manchester Derby not at a Chelsea match.
So the US has the same responsibility for the invasion as the nation that's ACTUALLY INVADING the other country?!
Yeah, and you’re ignorantly spouting bullshit that just doesn’t hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.
"Hold on lads, there's a random video on the internet that backs up my claim and therefore can be used as irrefutable evidence"
This is a bizarre response. The funding of politicians, media organisations, lobbyists and sports teams have been topics of focus for as long as I can remember.
Brutal, but for a country like Saudi Arabia to act against state terrorists -- hardly something that should be newsworthy?
Wasn't the case it seems
Aright Matt Le Tissier you stick with your dumb right wing conspiracy theories
They're right though, your original point is utterly ridiculous and waters down the extent to which Russia is responsible for this. But I'm sure you've done hours of internet research so you must be right.must be nice to be brain washed
you have the wings mixed up
