Oh yeah we would have no absolutely chance of taking him on loan without the Qataris taking over
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Depends on how desperate they are to offload him, don't see it myself but you never know in football
I mean, Neymar presses and works harder than most of our forward line (or at least used to, haven't really watched him for a few years). More than Kane also, who is someone I do have definite concerns with in that regard when taking into account that most of our other attackers also don't do much.
Yup. I swear the only time some of these fans have seen Neymar was when he was crying on the bench as we beat them 2-1 in the CL.
Brilliant player, still has plenty to give in the right environment. I'd actually call him less of a risk than Casemiro and Varane were.
He does. I've posted about it in this thread before. Most people here don't actually watch football and just say whatever
These are Neymar's and Rashford's defensive actions per 90 minutes:
Neymar's pressing vs others:
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There's probably not a stat for pressing and work rate, if there's no stat for it then it's not worth considering - that's how I imagine the mindset
Would be interesting to see if the likes of Ogden/Romano change the views on this IF Jassim does actually still buy the club.
I also think the other thing that would give this legs again is Utd getting a definite no from Kane's brother about signing this summer.
So with that being said where should he played in this team in order to get the best out of him (not that I see it ever happening of course)
I also think the other thing that would give this legs again is Utd getting a definite no from Kane's brother about signing this summer.
So with that being said where should he played in this team in order to get the best out of him (not that I see it ever happening of course)
Wouldn't be opposed to a last ditch one season loan signing.
Provided Jassim foots the bill
Provided Jassim foots the bill
Yeah this is a definite no go without Qatar
I wouldn't be worried about him being a success. I'd be worried about Rashford being a success up front or on the right. Midfield is more of a stretch for me, could easily work but sounds like something you'd need to build around. If i was building a team from scratch where money is no object, then i'd want him (or maybe vinicius but only because of age).
I just think we need a completely different profile of player up front and in midfield and throwing coherent team building out the window for a big name just sounds idiotic at this point.
I mean if the completely independent qatar owners at psg want to give our completely independent qatar owners Neymar for peanuts then great i guess. Sounds completely legit. I guess i dont care either way at that point.
I just think we need a completely different profile of player up front and in midfield and throwing coherent team building out the window for a big name just sounds idiotic at this point.
I mean if the completely independent qatar owners at psg want to give our completely independent qatar owners Neymar for peanuts then great i guess. Sounds completely legit. I guess i dont care either way at that point.
Well you’ve seen enough to decide he’d be a marginal upgrade on Bruno apparently (you mentioned him as opposed to Casemiro or Shaw so I assume you know the sort of role he will play).
Bruno is a good player but Neymar is a much better player and one of the very best footballers of the last decade.
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If it can’t be done financially then we won’t do it. It’s really not even a point worth labouring.
And I don’t see why PSG would not pay wages. They want him to leave, yet his wages are prohibitive. It’s a very likely outcome.
Someone else mentioned playing Neymar as a 10. And i think Bruno is a very good 10 who in terms of settling and getting the most out of would rate pretty well. I think unless your getting a completely different number 10 then any gains are going to be pretty marginal. Maybe he performs completely differently in the middle to how i imagine but i assume it'd be much more of a support striker than an iniesta like extra midfielder.
He misses half the season every year, and has done so for as long as he's been in Paris.
Brazilian flair player, so obviously must be lazy and workshy off the ball
Ye but there’s been a lot of rumours about that. Like faking injuries and then goes to Brazil or wherever is sister is.He misses the CL knockouts because of injuries.
Not for his his sister's birthday
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0 fees, half of his current salary, give him the no 7 and playing as a no 9 role (more like a false 9 role).
I would take him. If we are really serious about competing for this league, we need forwards who are world class and they don’t come any better than Neymar.
I know it’s a stretch given his injury history in recent years, but if he can give us like 35-40 games(about 25-30 in the PL), it will be a huge boost for us next season.
If the interest is genuine from both sides, I hope we do a deal quickly instead of waiting to get destroyed by Brighton/brentford.
I know it’s a stretch given his injury history in recent years, but if he can give us like 35-40 games(about 25-30 in the PL), it will be a huge boost for us next season.
If the interest is genuine from both sides, I hope we do a deal quickly instead of waiting to get destroyed by Brighton/brentford.
Interest will only pick up if Jassim is owner
That is true. Although I would say that with the exception of this season perhaps - Bruno himself has played like more of a support striker too. He’s closer to Rooney than Iniesta generally speaking.
Agreed.
I guess what I was thinking was that ten hag might not love Bruno in midfield, even this season's version, and might want a different kind of player in there. But I wouldn't see that being neymar.
I take your point about him being better but bruno plays every minute of every match, which we just wouldn't get from Neymar. I think youd find similar trade offs with any other 10 you want to mention and it'd be pretty difficult to get any kind of upgrade on him, let alone a significant upgrade, with our transfer record
I'd say that you're the one OVERRATING him based on this. There was certainly a time that he was top three in the world but he was never top 2 (in my opinion) and he's no longer top three. As for barely anyone connected to the uk rating him enormously highly, I don't buy that at all. I think most don't like him, but you wouldn't find that many that don't rate him as a top player.
If this was happening 2 years after his PSG stint, I'd be happy because we have all seen what Neymar could do at a proper respectable club in terms of professionalism.
His unreal talent is not worth the bagage he could bring (talking specifically about match fitness)
His unreal talent is not worth the bagage he could bring (talking specifically about match fitness)
His injury record is a giant concern.
For a loan deal though, I'd probably still take that risk.
Funnily enough, even with him missing half the season, he was more productive than Martial, Antony and Sancho combined.
doesn't make a whole heap of sense to me
we'd either have to shift Rashford up top permanently, or play Neymar as false 9 which doesn't suit us or him that well
and bringing in a player who expects to start isn't great for bedding in Garnacho either, who should be pushing for like 25 starts next season
this team needs a proper number 9
we'd either have to shift Rashford up top permanently, or play Neymar as false 9 which doesn't suit us or him that well
and bringing in a player who expects to start isn't great for bedding in Garnacho either, who should be pushing for like 25 starts next season
this team needs a proper number 9
Why are you invested in this? And why are you acting as if he isn't the one who initiated it.Public discussion forum btw, if you don’t like it DM him.
Gotta take into consideration where he was playing his football to get those stats. I don't doubt he'd shine in the PL but it's easier to be productive in Ligue 1 when you're playing for the biggest club by far
He was similarly productive at Barca though. And still doing the business in CL in the occasions he did play.
It has more to do with the player’s quality, ancient Zlatan and Cavani did fine coming from Ligue 1, while Lacazette and Pepe flopped. It’s not a linear transition where you can expect x or y based on their previous numbers.
Judging him by what I think of his character. Anyone who lauds a vicious thug like Bolsonaro, especially, can do one as far as I'm concerned.
Where would he play in this United squad? As a lone number 9 or in midfield?
Ten Hag used one at Ajax to relative success(Premier league flop Dusan Tadic).
Neymar at Barca was a much better player than the current Neymar, don't forget about that.
Exactly this. He’s 31, he’s not PL proven.
Rashford is. Tinkering with Rashford after the season of his life wouldn’t be good.
Genarcho is proving he could be a top tier player too.
We need a striker. We actually need Kane.
if ETH wants to try and work with him then it’s ok by me. The manager input is important context
I always thought he'd end up as a false 9. Surprised nobody's tried it yet considering Brazil's options up front
It has been tried by Tuchel and Galtier, he is good at it.
Fair, so I think he'd be a great fit here for at least a season or 2.
We can wait another year for Kane to run down his contract and plug the gaps elsewhere.
He is good at it but it's an actual false nine, meaning that he provides zero physicality(he is relatively small) or aerial presence. It's only a good idea if you play a heavy possession style. If we don't get Kane, I prefer a young (fit) striker.
I don't have any problem with Neymar barring his injuries.
I was pretty ignorant to be fair on his work ethic until @JPRouve explained. But we need a striker to overlay because he'll be hurt a lot I'm sure.
I was pretty ignorant to be fair on his work ethic until @JPRouve explained. But we need a striker to overlay because he'll be hurt a lot I'm sure.
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