Shaq Mason to the Texans.
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Disappointing, but had to happen.
Raiders are loading up on WRs with Jakobi Meyers signed up for 3 years. Jimmy G will have some serious talent to work with from his hospital bed.
Also if Jimmy G gets injured then Meyers can fill in for him at QB. Already threw a clutch game winning TD for the Raiders last year.
Just watched the LIVE presser and the release of the video. Looks like a hard case to prove given that there are two witnesses who were there who claim nothing happened.
Only four teams still over the cap with 27ish hours to go.
What would happen to a team that simply flat out could not get under the cap number by the start of the next NFL fiscal year? Loss of draft picks? Monetary fine?
What would happen to a team that simply flat out could not get under the cap number by the start of the next NFL fiscal year? Loss of draft picks? Monetary fine?
FYI it’s bothering my OCD that the player and team suddenly change sides in your listing
for 3 and 7!No clue how I managed to feck that up ffsFYI it’s bothering my OCD that the player and team suddenly change sides in your listing
Raiders and Cards would be the ones swapping picks via trade, that's probably it.Monetary fines, loss of draft picks and contracts could be voided.
Monetary fines for going over the cap would basically just be a luxury tax just like in the NBA then, no? An owner that wants to win doesn't care if he has to pay a few extra millions.
Should definitely include voiding contracts and loss of picks yeah.
Should definitely include voiding contracts and loss of picks yeah.
I suspect the Browns might be down with the voiding contracts part.
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Interesting. Perhaps means more of a developmental thought to their No. 1 pick?
Keep hearing they want to trade out of the #1 pick, but you could be on to something.
Trade in to trade out? Maybe… but would expect it to happen quite quickly as if that was their plan then presumably they’d have already lined up suitors?
Lamar declining a 3 year fully guaranteed $133m deal? This guy would really benefit from an agent.
Also Patriots are infuriating me. Heading into the basement of the AFC East at the moment. And more so if Rodgers moves to the Jets.
Je ne sais pas. Sounds weird to me as well.
I don't know what he's doing. He's not as good as he thinks he is.
He is as good as he thinks he is but he can't be expecting a 200m guaranteed contract with his injury record and play style. A fully guaranteed 3 year deal for 133m sounds about right. It's just too risky for an organisation to go much higher.
3-year $133m is an insult and he rightfully declined it.
There are rumours he wants a short term, no tag, no trade deal so if this were true then the above is in theory a step in the right direction for him.
The Niners got absolutely pillaged last night/yesterday, lot of work to do in FA and the draft. Maxed out on compensatory picks already related to players, which when coupled with the coach picks means 12 in the 2024 draft already. They are definitely good at bringing people in on prove it deals and getting them paid after a year or two though.
People will argue that Lamar was crazy to decline a 3-year, $133m deal last season. This was the same year in which the following contracts were signed:
- Deshaun Watson got a 5-year, $230m fully guaranteed deal after he hadn't played in the NFL all season and he had legal issues and a suspension hanging over his head. Oh, and he did tore his ACL already and did average 90 rushes per season in his three healthy years in Houston.
- Kyler Murray got a 5-year, $230m contract with $160m fully guaranteed. He hadn't thrown for more than 26 TDs in a season, averaged 11 INTs per season and averaged 105 rushing attempts per season in his previous 3 seasons since entering the league.
- Russell Wilson signed a 5-year, $242m contract with $161m fully guaranteed. He was 33 years old at the time, and even Wilson did average 84 rushing attempts per season over his 10-year career.
Lamar Jackson is still only 26 years old and the only ever unanimous league MVP apart from Tom Brady. By the way this was a season in which he led the league in touchdown passes. And the best WR available to him has been who exactly? Rashod Bateman perhaps, for the last two years 50% of the time? Yes he has Andrews but apart from him he hasn't exactly been surrounded by the Ravens with elite pass-catching options.
Designed runs are also less likely to result in injuries than a QB scrambling around. Lamar is one of the most effective (and obviously best) runners in the leauge:
His injuries weren't even that bad nor the result of badly timed rushes. You don't see the injury argument made for someone like Burrow (and Watson) who already has an ACL during his 3 years in the league.
Now, back to the contracts. If it's true that he wanted a short-term contract himself, 3-year $133m wasn't that bad an offer. If the rumours are not true, then I see no reason why he should've accepted it if you look at the other deals QBs got in that same exact year.
It's fine if you people argue about money in escrow, giving up 2 picks for someone who might be a FA next season, not wanting to jeopardize your cap space for the next half decade, ... Those are all valid arguments as to why no one has made or will make an offer for him. But it's a QB league, and if a team wants to compete, there's no one better to have than Lamar at the moment. He makes you an instant contender, and you can figure out where to go from there after that. Teams signing guys like Jimmy G simply sign up for a few more years of mediocrity and wasting away other talent on your roster (looking at you, Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams). As if they are going to be relevant in January when the AFC has guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Lamar, Herbert, ... No fecking way, you are going absolutely nowhere. And yes you might take a gamble by paying Lamar what he's after but if he gives you 3 healthy seasons out of 5 (which is neither optimistic nor pessimistic I feel), you get 3 seasons with a shot at a ring. Which is 3 seasons more than a lot of teams will be having in the next 5 years.
In short, there are sensible arguments to prove why he's not worth a Deshaun Watson or Kyler Murray type deal, taking into account the circumstances - but imo they all go right out of the window if you know you need an elite QB to compete in this league and a LOT of teams don't have one at the moment. If you sign him as an NFC team at this moment, you instantly have the best QB in your entire conference alongside Hurts.
- Deshaun Watson got a 5-year, $230m fully guaranteed deal after he hadn't played in the NFL all season and he had legal issues and a suspension hanging over his head. Oh, and he did tore his ACL already and did average 90 rushes per season in his three healthy years in Houston.
- Kyler Murray got a 5-year, $230m contract with $160m fully guaranteed. He hadn't thrown for more than 26 TDs in a season, averaged 11 INTs per season and averaged 105 rushing attempts per season in his previous 3 seasons since entering the league.
- Russell Wilson signed a 5-year, $242m contract with $161m fully guaranteed. He was 33 years old at the time, and even Wilson did average 84 rushing attempts per season over his 10-year career.
Lamar Jackson is still only 26 years old and the only ever unanimous league MVP apart from Tom Brady. By the way this was a season in which he led the league in touchdown passes. And the best WR available to him has been who exactly? Rashod Bateman perhaps, for the last two years 50% of the time? Yes he has Andrews but apart from him he hasn't exactly been surrounded by the Ravens with elite pass-catching options.
Designed runs are also less likely to result in injuries than a QB scrambling around. Lamar is one of the most effective (and obviously best) runners in the leauge:
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His injuries weren't even that bad nor the result of badly timed rushes. You don't see the injury argument made for someone like Burrow (and Watson) who already has an ACL during his 3 years in the league.
Now, back to the contracts. If it's true that he wanted a short-term contract himself, 3-year $133m wasn't that bad an offer. If the rumours are not true, then I see no reason why he should've accepted it if you look at the other deals QBs got in that same exact year.
It's fine if you people argue about money in escrow, giving up 2 picks for someone who might be a FA next season, not wanting to jeopardize your cap space for the next half decade, ... Those are all valid arguments as to why no one has made or will make an offer for him. But it's a QB league, and if a team wants to compete, there's no one better to have than Lamar at the moment. He makes you an instant contender, and you can figure out where to go from there after that. Teams signing guys like Jimmy G simply sign up for a few more years of mediocrity and wasting away other talent on your roster (looking at you, Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams). As if they are going to be relevant in January when the AFC has guys like Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Lawrence, Lamar, Herbert, ... No fecking way, you are going absolutely nowhere. And yes you might take a gamble by paying Lamar what he's after but if he gives you 3 healthy seasons out of 5 (which is neither optimistic nor pessimistic I feel), you get 3 seasons with a shot at a ring. Which is 3 seasons more than a lot of teams will be having in the next 5 years.
In short, there are sensible arguments to prove why he's not worth a Deshaun Watson or Kyler Murray type deal, taking into account the circumstances - but imo they all go right out of the window if you know you need an elite QB to compete in this league and a LOT of teams don't have one at the moment. If you sign him as an NFC team at this moment, you instantly have the best QB in your entire conference alongside Hurts.
Don’t disagree with any of that.
In my opinion this situation comes down to the league trying to make the Watson contract a complete outlier, coupled with the fact that LJ is viewed as a running QB, already with a lot of wear on the body, already missing games (technically season ending injuries last two years?) and getting on in years. So there is a mix of collusion and injury fear there.
Strangely enough with the deals flying around now. Plus the rumours About the likely deals For hurts, burrow and Herbert, the money Jackson wants will soon seem like a bargain.
In my opinion this situation comes down to the league trying to make the Watson contract a complete outlier, coupled with the fact that LJ is viewed as a running QB, already with a lot of wear on the body, already missing games (technically season ending injuries last two years?) and getting on in years. So there is a mix of collusion and injury fear there.
Strangely enough with the deals flying around now. Plus the rumours About the likely deals For hurts, burrow and Herbert, the money Jackson wants will soon seem like a bargain.
Are the rumours that the increased cap will just go straight to the franchise QBs and accordingly the salary for the other positions will be stuck at their current rate?
I've seen rumours that Hurts will be $45m+ per season, so you would expect that Burrow and Herbert would be getting at least that too. Maybe in the first couple of years the salary cap will be just for the QB, then eventually the other positions will be getting paid a couple of years down the line.
Be interesting to see what Bosa gets this year too, as he will most likely end up the highest paid non-QB
Thank God had visions of him coming back to Cowboys
Nice summary.
He's obviously holding out for more money based on the precedents of rather calamitously overpriced contracts the likes of Murray, Watson, Wilson and others have received in recent years. Trouble is, he's not a particularly good passer and opposing D coordinators know this, which makes it easier for them to game plan to stop him on the ground through spying or stacking the box with an extra DB. Unless a team is desperate or gullible (as in the employers of the three above), they are are going to only pay players they feel have a good shot of leading them to a SB. If they thought Lamar was that guy, they would pay him accordingly.
He's as capable a passer as the guy who just led his team to the best record in the league and is in line to be paid $45-50m per year.
Who, coincidentally, many believed to be a bad passer before his team provided him with a bona fide WR superstar last season. Go figure.
He's not a bad passer, but I wouldn't hire Lamar (much less pay him big money) if i wanted to go to a Super Bowl. I would feel the same about Murray as well.
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They're gonna draft Bijan aren't they?
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He supposedly wants a 3 year deal, which they'd be mad to give that to a 32 year old CB who started to regress pretty rapidly midway through last season. They were right to keep Bradberry over Slay.
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Commiserations mate.
Penthouse to the outhouse in three short years.
Garrett Wilson to the friggin moon.