Are there any trophies which Barcelona should not have won in the past 20 years?
Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Niemans claims that nobody wants to address him but this was already addressed (and roundly, deservedly mocked) in the previous thread. For example, here.
For people who are not aware, Barcelona won the league in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. Real Madrid won the league in 2012, 2017, and 2020. Atletico Madrid won the league in 2014.
Niemans claims that Barcelona should have won 2 of those 3 leagues Real Madrid won, and the one Atletico won. In other words, Barcelona should have won the league every single season from 2008 to
When you construct an argument that leads you to such a demented conclusion, it means the argument is wrong. People don't have to go line by line and demolish it. It's just clearly nonsense. The level of entitlement it takes to make an argument like this and expect people to take seriously is awe inspiring.
edit: in fairness to Niemans, he thinks it's only 11, not 12.
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Nope. Only Barca is involved. As previously discussed the Barca-Negreira affair was discovered by the reporter Sique Rodríguez (a Barca fan as you can see by his Twitter profile) from the program Que t'hi jugues from SER Barcelona. In this video Sique admits that they investigated as much as they could to find any leads that would mean other team (specially Real Madrid) was also involved in this affair but they found none.
Negreira mentioned in one of his burofax to Barca that the club insisted in the 'exclusivity' of Negreira's work so that he couldn't work for other third parties. In the same document he admitted rendering favours to Barca btw. You can read them document (in Spanish) here.
I know it is a joke but an important part in this affair is that Negreira would withdraw 20k€ monthly in cash during all the years that Barca paid him. Nobody knows, and the police investigation couldn't find, what he did with the money. His exwife said the money didn't reach their household. Proof in this article
So yeah, that money moved around, we just don't know to where.
Funny you say that. According to several articles, although the proof of payments to Negreira can only be traced to 2001, everything points to the fact that this affair started before, during Núñez's presidency.
I guess the Joan Gamper trophies are alright. The rest...
Awesome argument. Si cuela, cuela.
All those times Barca fans acted like they had the divine right to win every tournament... Turns out it was just Negreira.
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It's a good thing the Glazers are cheap cnuts who don't give a feck about results eh...
Was to lazy to read the thread but I presume they paid that ref when they screwed Chelsea I think it was 09
If they ever did we can get our own Niemans to explain it all away.
God bless the Spanish tax man. The final boss of football.
According to the most recent articles in Spain all this affair was revealed, and the whole investigation started, because Barca tried to deduct the payments they made to Negreira.
Several newspapers have already covered it. It is simply too hilarious. The memes are going to be everlasting if true.
Will be difficult to find the equivalent -- I bet you can barely find on one hand the number of Glazer/Woodward apologists.
While our owners be too cheap anyway I’m always proud that we never did this as seen in Italy/Spain this is shameful for the club
More than a club.
More than a ****
Give all their titles to Espanyol
Can someone tell Barca fans that posting in bold characters doesn't add any meaning to the bullshit they are spouting?
"More than a club".......
An organised crime syndicate.
Thank God we knocked them out of Europe, would've been sick losing to them.
An organised crime syndicate.
Thank God we knocked them out of Europe, would've been sick losing to them.
The whole football world unites against that cheating c*nt of a club! 
Probably refs in their two games against us this year also, especially in that OT game.
Barca paid around 6 million to person in charge of refs, why do you think they did?
Ofcourse Barca also got many calls against them just like they get in their favour, that's common for any club. That's a human error.
What Barca did is blatant corruption, paying money to get favourable calls.
més que un clown show
Would have fared better against Chelsea
ahhh so it is in fact BARCA who are the victim here. of course.
Yeah have to admit you were totally robbed
No they weren't.
Ovrebo was awful. But referee errors were made on both sides.
Robbed was us in 04 against Mourinho's Porto but I don't hear as much whining on that.
And why is a UEFA competition being brought up in a thread about potential La Liga corruption? Are Series A's CL trophies during Calciopoli under doubt too?
No one is complaining about it. Iniesta scored a brilliant goal that night and yes like I previously stated, he made bad calls for both teams but it weighed significantly worse for Chelsea across the tie. That was a brilliant Barcelona side whose players will deservedly be looked back on as some of the greatest ever however the politics will now forever tarnish them and their achievements.
As for your second point, like another poster stated in the other thread on this topic, if they’ve been proven to be corrupt in one competition then who is to say they haven’t done anything in any other competition? It would be completely naive to just rule it out. I must clarify I’m not accusing them of doing so but it should be the natural step in the investigation. How wide is this web of corruption and who else is in on it. UEFA and FIFA have proven track records of corrupt politics during this time so it’s certainly not something we should rule out.
Never let a crisis go to waste. Time for the Super League.
A criminally corrupt, entitled cesspool of a “club”. I don’t hold my breath for them being punished in Spain due to the political considerations (one does not harm the flag ship of Catalan independence) but at least the whole narrative of them being a special, somehow better football club will die internationally. This stain will never wipe off
From the sounds of it, these are just charges that have been brought forwards. There shouldn't really be any punishment until the charges are substantiated and they are found guilty of wrongdoing.
Sounds a bit conspiracy theory ish to me.
No. I'm saying the opposite of that. I am saying that penal courts require proof of guilt beyond reasonable doubt - rightly so - and therefore circumstantial evidence - no matter how obviously guilty it makes them look to the common man - is not enough for conviction - again, rightly so
The Barca fan’s entire argument is “we didn’t get our money’s worth”. That’s not a defence.
And two CL titles to us
Mes que un club. Un club corrupto
They made the payment, did you? So ofcourse they deserve to win those titles too. They deserve the return on investment.
It's a very strange argument since there is no actual mystery here.
Barcelona were worse than usual in the seasons where they didn't win the title. In Pep's 4th they lost to Chelsea in the CL and had their worst points tally in 3 years, and Pep quit at the end of the season. In Martino's season they won nothing, failed to make it to CL semis for the first time in 6 years, and he was fired. In Luis Enrique's 3rd season they were hammered by PSG and Juventus in the CL, and he also quit at the end of the season.
I can sort of understand feeling aggrieved about things involving the first 3 years of Pep's time there, since they were quite amazing then. But ever since then they've "just" been a great team. Great teams lose titles. It happens.
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You know, Moggi was cleared (the final sentence https://www.goal.com/en/news/ex-juventus-chief-moggi-a-free-man-following-final/bltab9f23c94ca3c73d ), not acquitted because of reasonable doubt and circumstantial evidence (your film).
It is the great „We hired a hitman but he missed. Therefore we didn’t do anything illegal. Oh, and we want our money back.“ defense.
More than a defense.