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How are Maguire and AWB dross?
Typical knee jerking after a loss.
Typical knee jerking after a loss.
Hahaha very well putNone of them are dross you reactionary bullshitter
He’s not referring to Leicester match, hence before todayMaguire was terrible - what nonsense. Telles and Greenwood were miles better.
Shame none of them start a thread about themselves being knee jerking cnutsAnother tedious thread totally knee jerked after a defeat in a tough game.
We have some of the worst fans out there.
Well the transfer fee is a huge part of rating if the signing is successful or not. Lets say we had bought Maguire for 10M no one would argue him being a total hit, or lets say we would had paid 60M for Telles nobody would call him a success.Personally I think maguire has been fairly solid recently
Too much is read into transfer fees
Is he 80mil player? No
But he is a good defender from a rival prem proven and British so you can add all the extras
James is poor for me
VDB I’m baffled
Awb defensively I don’t think there are many better
the problems aren’t his signings
Martial is awful these days
And Fred mctom matic, not a good combo to be picked there
because i wanted to see young and valencia at right back and jones as first choice. AWB and Maguire haven't improved us whatsoever, we should have kept the money, waited for the new rio ferdinand to appear in the russian 4th division, then scouted him (but we have no scouting) signed him for 30k and won the league this year. Its all oles fault, get him out.How are Maguire and AWB dross?
Typical knee jerking after a loss.
Dross or not they've played to a standard that puts them at less than half the value we signed them for, even allowing for the inflated market at the time.How are Maguire and AWB dross?
Typical knee jerking after a loss.
Great post! Kind of content that makes me come back to Redcafe!Paul Tomkins and Graeme Riley did a big study on transfers, documented in their book Pay As You Play. They found that only 50% of transfers are a success. This is as true for big money signings, as it is for lower priced transfers. So don't be surprised when Solskjaer, Mourinho, LVG, or Sir Alex Ferguson, ends up signing a lot of players that are either clear failures or don't make much difference to success of the team.
Indeed, the difference between Ferguson and the more recent managers is not the failures but that he had a long list of huge successes. To his credit, Solskjaer bought Bruno Fernandes, the outstanding purchase of the post-Ferguson era.
If you think Solskjaer is poor at transfers, take a look at the 15 highest priced transfers across the big 5 European Leagues this season: Havertz, Werner, Dias, Arthur, Pjanic, Sane, Hakimi, Partey, Icardi, Osimhen, Fabio Silva, Chilwell, Jota, Ziyech, Ake. Plenty of disappointing first seasons amongst that group, as well as a few successes.
Real Madrid spent in excess of £100m on Eden Hazard, £27m on Odriozola, £45m on Eder Militao has who barely started a game for them so far, Luca Jovic £50m+ already sent out on loan. Barcelona bought Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele all above £100m.
10x better than beforeWhat did you expect from James? A 15m punt from the championship & he's not even been as bad as most people make it out.
Maguire and AWB made our defences 10x better than before.
Too soon to judge VDB.
Typical angry post after we lose a game. Congrats
Wow Telles and Cavani incredible signingsWhy ignore Bruno, Telles and Cavani? He signed them as well
Neither are "dross," which is the title of the thread. Telles is precisely the mould of signing top clubs need to make to ensure a well-stocked squad and he appears to have played a part in getting Shaw to play the best football of his life.Wow Telles and Cavani incredible signings
Transfers during Fergie’s last years were largely abysmal as well. The only hits were Hernandez, De Gea and RvP. At least the dross then didn’t cost 50m+We’ve made about 3 good signings since 2013. There’s a massive problem with our scouting & recruitment team. As much as I think Ole’s out of his depth, the problem goes beyond him.
I agree Telles and Cavani haven’t been hits overall.Does Telles count as a hit? I'd say Bruno and Cavani are the only hits, with the caveat that Cavani has only played about 20 twenty bloody games.
But also how are they performingWell the transfer fee is a huge part of rating if the signing is successful or not. Lets say we had bought Maguire for 10M no one would argue him being a total hit, or lets say we would had paid 60M for Telles nobody would call him a success.
Transfer fees bring expectation with it and signings should be rated accordingly.
How is the spending masking his coaching ability if the players he signs are dross?Should he be accountable for wasting an absolute fortune on a total dross?
Maguire - £ 80M
AWB - £ 50M
James - £ 15M
VDB - £ 45M
That’s around £ 200M on players that have either barely improved us or have done nothing at all, yet people are comfortable with giving him another summer of spending to mask his coaching inability?
I wouldn't say they were useless. However fees do matter. For example spending 80m on a CB whose clearly not good enough to ever become WC and who would always struggle in playing in a defence with a high line is bad business.The transfer market has been massively overinflated, but I'd agree that his signings bar Bruno havn't been a massive hit. It doesn't mean they are all useless though.
I agree, Maguire's worth is closer to half of what we paid for him.I wouldn't say they were useless. However fees do matter. For example spending 80m on a CB whose clearly not good enough to ever become WC and who would always struggle in playing in a defence with a high line is bad business.
Are they? In 2015-2016 we leaked 35 goals. In 2016-2017 we leaked 29 goals. While in 2017-2018 we leaked 28 goals. Since Maguire and AWB were signed we had leaked 36 goals in 2019-2020 and we already leaked 32 goals this season. That's a significant improvement to the horrific 2018-2019 season when Mou lost the dressing room. However if you ignore that freak season then we are worse off rather then better off. Meanwhile Leicester's defence had conceded less goals without Maguire then with MaguireThe cry babies on here are getting so tiresome! Our defence has been very impressive - by and large- all season. Maguire and AWB are a massive improvement on Smalliing and Ashley Young and to not acknowledge that is disingenuous! Are they perfect? No! But definitely steps in the right direction.
James has been crucial to our tactics against the top teams, Cavani has done ok for a free transfer and let’s judge VDB and Telles after their settling in year
People forget that we have to play two holding midfielders in front of our back two so they are not over exposed. This is then causing us issues higher up the pitch with a lack of creativity. I'm sorry imagine having to play Butt and Keane right in front of Ferdinand and Vidic because they are vulnerable.Are they? In 2015-2016 we leaked 35 goals. In 2016-2017 we leaked 29 goals. While in 2017-2018 we leaked 28 goals. Since Maguire and AWB were signed we had leaked 36 goals in 2019-2020 and we already leaked 32 goals this season. That's a significant improvement to the horrific 2018-2019 season when Mou lost the dressing room. However if you ignore that freak season then we are worse off rather then better off. Meanwhile Leicester's defence had conceded less goals without Maguire then with Maguire
You could make an argument that he wouldn’t even be in top three centre backs in Leicester squad. We massively overpaid for Maguire but he’s ok, biggest improvement he has made is he stays fit which was a huge problem for our centre halves previously.Its interesting that maguire gets a lot of hate when he has been one of our best players recently, he was excellent against milan and in all honesty he wasnt that bad yesterday either horribly let down by the car crash happening infront of him.
He is actually very capable of playing in a high line as long as he has a keeper behind him willing to actually leave his line which he now does in Henderson.
Noone in there right mind would say he was a 80million pound player, but who really cares about transfer fees?
He is in the top 5 CBs in the PL if not the top 3 a vast improvement on what we had before and is our best CB by some distance.
Good against Milan second leg. Not so good in the firstIts interesting that maguire gets a lot of hate when he has been one of our best players recently, he was excellent against milan and in all honesty he wasnt that bad yesterday either horribly let down by the car crash happening infront of him.
He is actually very capable of playing in a high line as long as he has a keeper behind him willing to actually leave his line which he now does in Henderson.
Noone in there right mind would say he was a 80million pound player, but who really cares about transfer fees?
He is in the top 5 CBs in the PL if not the top 3 a vast improvement on what we had before and is our best CB by some distance.
They are not all good signings, and there are things wrong with Maguire other than price (which is why we need another CB)Nonsense, Ole has bought much better than recent managers. Far from dross. Bruno, AWB, Maguire, Cavani, Telles, James all good signings. Maguire was way overpriced but nothing majorly wrong with the player himself.
maguire was a mess, if you ask me. he was excellent in Milan but all over the shop at Leicester: backing off, missing tackles and is possibly the weakest CB I've seen in decades when it comes to headers in the opponent's penalty areaMaguire was arguably our best player alongside Shaw before today.
Beek has comfortably been the most underwhelming signing but we'll use him in a deal in the summer so..
Agree hereWe’ve made about 3 good signings since 2013. There’s a massive problem with our scouting & recruitment team. As much as I think Ole’s out of his depth, the problem goes beyond him.
AWB is very good at tackling but his often poor positional play means those last-ditch tackles are required. and, as you say, going forward - well, he's little more than a joke. He may well improve but this guy is no Gary Neville or Dennis IrwinHow is AWB dross? He's a brilliant one-on-one defender, and an absolute mainstay in the back four. He may not be a marauding wing back, but imagine where we'd be without him. He absolutely improves us, or have you forgotten who we were selecting before him?
Now VDB, there's some real dross. One of the worst signings we've ever made, and that's saying something with the number of duds we've had recently.
Wan-Bissaka is a very good player and one of the best 1on1 CBs I've seen at the club, a big reason why we're 2nd in the league and improving. We haven't conceded in two games against City in the league this season partly because they couldn't get past him. Has had a number of other top wingers in his pocket as well. He's only 23 and he's getting better going forward this season and has definitely contributed more. It's a good signing.They are not all good signings, and there are things wrong with Maguire other than price (which is why we need another CB)
Telles ha been poor in my opinion. VDB doesnt seem to fit in (and the questions were raised about where he fits before we signed him).
AWB not good enough on the ball (again was raised before we signed him)
Cavani (fitness issues)
James (not good enough)
You can make an argument for 2 out of 6 being good signings and one is questionable
Yeah people are seriously stupid. The funny thing is that you or I could've done a similar job which says a lot. Try to remember that 20-30 people work FULL TIME doing this, and the best they come up with is Maguire for £80m and AWB for £50m. The sad thing is that they don't fit into how Man United should play. It's not like we don't see that AWB is better than a 35-year-old midfielder Ashley Young, is that he is not good enough on the ball. Man United can't have a water carrier for £50m. It's insane. That's the most worrying thing IMO, we don't buy players to fit into a system, we just go "yeah player A is better than player B" and I have said it many times, with that logic people would be happy with Coleman for £50m, because he is better than Young. The same goes for Fred, which became clearly evident yesterday. We can't buy footballers who are not good enough with the ball, we can't have a CM who is so poor with the ball. If you think about our way forward, to win the PL, to win the CL. Will AWB, Maguire, James, Telles, Fred be a big part of that? No way.Oles fecked us up for a very long time with his first transfer window. Our fanbase just can't get over something as simple as - he's better than X so he's a good signing irrespsive of how much we spend on him.
We've gambles our teams forseeable future away on AWB and Maguire. The amount of money we spent on them was obscene for the quality of player we got. Despite the amount of money we spunked in the defensive half of the pitch, we still need to spend a feck load more on another CB to hide Maguire's glaring weaknesses. And that might still not be enough. The club got hoodwinked by Ole into thinking they were signing a VVD but they were instead getting the Joe Gomez/Matip half of the partnership (for a WR fee).
When we finally do spunk the £100m on this much coveted RW, we'll realise how much AWB hampers the players in front of him so we'll be back in the market for a RB - except for we'll need to replace Pogba, sign a striker, DM and a CB around the same time.