If he has anything to do with Fred and McT development then he deserves some credit, the gormless tw*t.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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What??? I have never said that. What are you on about...
If that is the case then credit be due, but in all honesty Fred was a Brazil international prior to signing here
If we couldn't break down Watford then of course tactics are an issue. Every single game we don't get a result Ole will generally us the team was too slow as an excuse. Isn't it his job to be on the sidelines screaming and shouting at his players to quicken the tempo? Picking team selections isn't enough I'm afraid if you want to be a top manager.
Has Fred really improved under Ole or is it because he's getting an extended number of games? I wouldn't have any problems praising a manager if I can see a marked improvement but to be honest the only one I can see is Rashford but he's still very inconsistent which is understandable given his age.
The bolded part up until very recently I would have agreed with you. Now I'm not so sure. Ed has a very big decision to make. Talking about long term plan and youth for me is just an excuse that when things inevitably go wrong they've covered their arses and hopefully will appease a lot of the fans, which is a masterstroke because it seems to be working with almost 50% of cafsters prepared to stick with him. BUT for the first time in a long time we have a potential manager who could be a lot better fit than all the managers post SAF in Poch, who's sitting on his sofa at home waiting for a call from a club who would be very interested in what he has to offer. Poch isn't everyones favourite but he is hands down a lot better manager than Ole. Does Ed play it safe and stick with his yes man or does he actually do his job and think of what's actually best for United?
This post isn't even worthy of the main forum.
Again your passive attitude towards issues is exactly what the Glazers will love. It’s true many don’t rate Lingard or our manager but they are not bold enough to ask for their head in public like Pogba.
Different rules for different people.
If Pogba is deemed too inconsistent despite him been our actual player of the season last year what is your opinion on our terribly inconsistent manager?
Fair arguments. Personally I don’t think Poch is that good. Look at the last nine months and unless you bring up a ton of excuses, he’s been dog shite. I’d rather make excuses for Ole than for Poch.
I agree we should be able to beat Watford but I don’t think tactics were to blame. Our threat increased tenfold after Pogba came on and that was not tactics but personnel. If you were arguing we should have started Pogba then I would agree that is arguably a mistake by Ole.
I have noticed the general tone of the staunch Ole-in brigade is very poor today. They are generally resorting to insults and/or childish, demeaning remarks.
Re-read my post, I simply compared the squads each manager took over. Impressive rant though.
I can see why people would think that Poch isn't that good but I think there were a lot more circumstances involved than just Poch isn't good enough. Before this season started and if Ole wasn't our manager if you had of asked any United supporter on who would they prefer to be manager I would hazard a guess and say at least 80% would of been in favour of Poch and personally I don't think a few bad months under exceptional circumstances should change that.
I think against Watford tactics and the players not being motivated were the key to us not getting anything out of the game. They simply wanted it more than us. We could use Lingard and DeGea howlers as an excuse but Watford still deserved to win the game and it's happening in too many games for it to be coincidence.
The reason I keep on about tactics is because we've struggled all season (and a good part of last) to break teams down but on the pitch nothing has changed. The managers job is to look at our weaknesses and try and correct them. Not just keeping on trying to do the same thing. This is a massive part of management and I'm afraid I don't think Ole is tactically astute enough to be our manager.
After yesterday’s defeat Ole was talking like a manager who’s been in the job 12 weeks not 12 months. So don’t really think he’s under pressure or has the intelligence to see that performances and results are not acceptable.
I still cannot fathom how he was offered a permanent deal before the end of the season. Bayern have not made the same mistake by offering their caretaker a permanent deal because he got some wins. How can anyone defend this board is beyond me? They have taken many stupid decisions but this just tops it.
I honestly dont think Ole is under pressure from those above him.
I can’t think of many more pressurised jobs in the world. He’s handling the pressure and the club are trying not to make it worse for him but the pressure is there. Every loss heaps more pressure and it must be agony for him. But he is working away, trying his best for the club (even if that means squat) and putting on a brave face (and honest) for the fans and media. I’m not sure if people want to see him blubbing on camera or what.
He has to believe that he will turn it around but he’s rightly frustrated when the players put on a shitshow like yesterday. They’re good players and have done very well in some games but they are inconsistent and lacking top quality in key creative areas. If the players were truly good enough, you could just send them out without any instructions at all and say “lads, it’s Watford”.
That's the big issue. he seems very content. He thinks he has 3 or 4 years to fix this mess so who cares about short term. He has to change his approach big time if we wants to be successful here.
is that so? So Ole needs one of the best midfielders in the world to beat the worst team in the premiership?
And tell me why did we lose to Crystal Palace at home eariler in August and struggle to break down Wolves and Southampton in the following games when Pogba started?
Tactics weren't the problem? Just tempo and Pogba? This is just dumb childishness. Of course tactics were the reason. Watford played us off the park and their players were doing party tricks on the ball, because it was so easy to play through our team.
And these excuses are wearing thin
I mean this inept fraud of a coach has had every excuse that could ever be dreamt up in the world made to excuse his incompetence.
Before it was Martial, before that Mctominay was the one who was going to improve things, Then it was Rashford, Woodward, Mourinho, toxic players and now it's Pogba as if we've never struggled with him in the team
Seriously what is it going to be next after this clown continues to drown the club with Pogba on the field?
Well no he doesn't, not if he's been convinced he's very safe, which seems to be what all noise from the club is. He seems beyond comfortable.
I'll tell you what the excuse will be.
Pogba again. Only this time it'll be "Pogba isnt good/consistent enough" and posters will want him replaced by someone 'more United'. Someone more 'the United way'. Someone more British and less flashy and ultimately less good.
Basically the excuses will never go away as long as Ole is there. It'll never be him that's accountable for some.
Aren't you ITK? Whats happening behind the scenes? Whats the vibe in the canteen?
If you haven't got someone with the quality of Pogba at your disposal to play the number 10 role then why set-up with that formation in the first place when the other options are so awful in-comparison ?
And surely (Dont call me Shirley) Ole and the coaching staff are smarter than just relying on one formation and tactic ?
And surely (Dont call me Shirley) Ole and the coaching staff are smarter than just relying on one formation and tactic ?
Still more than adequate to beat Watford and the likes. Poor excuse.
How many managers are unarguably better managers than Ole in the league? I reckon with the addition of Ancelotti, it's at least half.
Nothing new, beyond that one 25second long conversation I had ages ago. Hardly ITK but I believed it and still do.
Listening to talksport - they gave the stat of against West ham, Watford, Everton, Southampton, SU, Villa, Palace, Bournemouth, Wolves - where 27 points were available this season we've taken 4. FOUR!! Quite simply pathetic and more importantly unacceptable for our club to perform like this. Ole's biggest challenge right now is to figure out this problem. I am desperate for him to be successful - genuinely hope he can do it, but there's only so long we can keep going like this.
The one word to describe this club is PASSIVE.
There is no sense of urgency or aggression from ANYONE.
It even seems players brought in become numb and don't react.
I wanted Ole to succeed but all I see from him and his coaching staff is a passive, tame attitude.
Where is the fire or the will to win from ANYONE.
I'm thinking this was what Mourinho couldn't accept from the club, the overall passive attitude. We need winners and players with some bite.
This is the first time in my life Ive been angry with footballers and the club, because no one is putting in the aggression we require.
As much as Klopp looks a prat, there is a reason his teams play with passion and bite, he sets the tone.
There is no sense of urgency or aggression from ANYONE.
It even seems players brought in become numb and don't react.
I wanted Ole to succeed but all I see from him and his coaching staff is a passive, tame attitude.
Where is the fire or the will to win from ANYONE.
I'm thinking this was what Mourinho couldn't accept from the club, the overall passive attitude. We need winners and players with some bite.
This is the first time in my life Ive been angry with footballers and the club, because no one is putting in the aggression we require.
As much as Klopp looks a prat, there is a reason his teams play with passion and bite, he sets the tone.
This is the problem. This isn't Ole Chester United,
You should be desperate for United to be successful and for that to happen we don't need amateur dinosaurs like Ole in charge who has had enough time to prove his capabilities and he's failed.
7% win record when dominating possession is a damning stat in itself and shows he doesn't know how to coach the players to break down teams when in possession. He now has a worse overall record since becoming permanent than David Moyes
Every which way you look at it you find out how much a donkey job he has done so far.
Klopp, Pep, Rodgers, Lampard for sure. Wilder, Nuno definetly based on this year. Mourinho based on his past, but he can also get toxic with worse results than Ole.
Anchelotti based on his past too, but he did poorly at Napoli. Pellegrini based on his past too although West Ham have been poor this season.
Bruce, Dyche and Hodgeson are not playing sexy football, but they do much better with the teams they got (although would not want them here as they play defensive counter attacking football too).
Potter much better too although he might try to play too much short passing football with a poor side.
The rest may be at the same level as Ole. Although I don't think Ole would improve any of those bottom sides much apart from maybe Watford and possibly Norwich.
Wasn't long ago Ole was talking how we're not that team that got beat 4-0 at Everton last season. I don't think yesterday was as bad but it was close and could easily see some sides doing us 4-0 with how we went about playing for most of the match. Very fragile side and not much inspiration from the staff.
It's crazy how we need to go 2-0, not 1-0 in order to respond. Happened a few times.
It's crazy how we need to go 2-0, not 1-0 in order to respond. Happened a few times.
My opinion right now on ole is it's time for him to go. I love ole but I can see his faults. Shame the same cant be said about the pogba fan boys. Massive talent. Hasn't shown it enough for united. Every excuse is made for him, I make no excuses for any player or individual i support united. Not ole or pogba.
Almost all of them.
If Ole was sacked, and a vacancy opened up at any other club in the league, does anyone see a Chairman taking a punt on him? Nope. Clubs with high ambitions like Everton wouldn't go near someone like Ole. And any club wanting to stave off relegation only need cast their minds back to Cardiff.
It's no exaggeration to say that the United job is the only managerial job Ole could land in any of the top leagues in Europe.
I've been mulling over my earlier comment(s) about being convinced Ole's the worst manager in the Premier League. I'm going to actually give this a proper go, and be perfectly honest about my assessments rather than just talk myself into thinking that someone is better than him. I won't bother listing those that are.
Not better / questionable if better
Mikel Arteta
Ralf Hassenhutl
Dean Smith
Daniel Farke
So not the worst, I will retract that statement. But in the top 5 worst in my eyes, comfortably.
In a long line of feck ups, appointing Ole on a permanent contract has got to be Woodward’s worst.
I think you could be right. That's concerning. I hope it's wrong, but kind of feels that way.
A very accurate assessment.
Football is essentially about people.
And the recruitment of people nowadays is a highly complex process.
My only hope for Poch is based that Ed becomes old Ed. "Look, shiny new toy which everybody want. Give me, give me, give me".
all of this
What do you expect from a guy who has never in his life coached before? The first thing we as a club should do is stop giving out important job offers to guys who have zero experience. There are coaching badges and other stuff to gain experience.
Carrick has his badges.
I thought you might say Keegan- the guy was literally cracking up. Lippi just wanted out.
Jose's just trolling.
Surely this can't be right?
Shocking statistics
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