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This is BS, and I'm on the side that SAF is the reason for us passing up on some of the good managers and hiring of Moyes and Ole. If Utd fails and disappears into obscurity, his legacy will also be gone as no one will be speaking about Utd anymore. Busby is still remembered because Utd are still relevant even though many from younger generations haven't watched him manage the club. In the meantime, there'll be other managers at other clubs who'll take overshadow his legacy anyway. What I think is happening is SAF is blinkered by the old ways of thinking coupled with nationalist and nepotist feelings is what is happening.I don't think Ferguson would see it like that. He's always been inherently selfish which is what made him such a decent manager. Look at how many times he floated resigning just so everyone would scream no don't do it. I think he knows people will forget about him very quickly in the modern world of diminishing attention spans so he is securing his legacy as the last long term successful manager of United.
He may have spoken to Woodward on Saturday before all the reports of player unrest came out.Clowning behavior but tbf, we heard the same stuff before Jose got the sack
We also heard the same after the Liverpool debacle - after which Ole kept his job.Clowning behavior but tbf, we heard the same stuff before Jose got the sack
I mentioned previously the CL results might get him sacked. I would have taken that loss against Villarreal because getting out of the group stage is as big as OGS's pay-off.Tweet
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We've actually been just as bad in Europe, it's just that Ronaldo has pulled a few points out of his arse for us repeatedly
Top 4 is a pipe dream with Ole at the wheel. You seem to think that managerial ability is the reason I say "anyone is better". It's not. It's the context of his tenure. I think the players are sick of him and think there will be a mass exodus at the end of the season if they're stuck with him until then. I think that the nepotism showed for him is abhorrent. I think that whatever good will he had in his first few years has reached a point where the club is in just as bad of a state as Mourinho with no sign of getting better. That's why literally anyone is a better manager for this club than him. Him continuing to stay here will ruin this club. It'll dig the nepotistic "old boys" club further into the club. It will ruin promising young players' careers. It will cause at least some of our best players to say "I'm done with the club". So yes, call me a moron, but maybe it's time to start looking at how bad things can get instead of foolishly hoping that he has any chance to do anything. There's never a "guarantee". I'm legit sick of people throwing the word around like some manager can come in and get us top 4. We can still reach it, but removing Ole is more about saving the club from yet another lengthy, fruitless, and expensive rebuild and limiting the damage to only this season. Top 4 should be an afterthought.No I believe that there are no top 4 caliber managers currently, I clearly said that some are better than Ole but not good enough to guarantee anything. And anyone thinking that anyone is a better manager is a moron, there is no two way about it and no reason to sugar coat it, there is a point where emotions shouldn't supersede sense.
Lost to Young Boys, should have lost to Villarreal, got out of jail vs Atalanta first time, should have lost to Atalanta second time.Tweet
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We've actually been just as bad in Europe, it's just that Ronaldo has pulled a few points out of his arse for us repeatedly
Won't be long until we're facing that reality under SolskjaerClub deserves to be liquidated or, at the minimum, relegated for such incredible incompetence and gross negligence.
Just blow it up and start over.
Forgive me if I'm interpreting what you said incorrectly but I believe you're saying he was a bit of a massive racist and that's something I think a lot of people felt but never wanted to voice. Kudos to you.This is BS, and I'm on the side that SAF is the reason for us passing up on some of the good managers and hiring of Moyes and Ole. If Utd fails and disappears into obscurity, his legacy will also be gone as no one will be speaking about Utd anymore. Busby is still remembered because Utd are still relevant even though many from younger generations haven't watched him manage the club. In the meantime, there'll be other managers at other clubs who'll take overshadow his legacy anyway. What I think is happening is SAF is blinkered by the old ways of thinking coupled with nationalist and nepotist feelings is what is happening.
I'm missing nothing. The post wasn't a summation of how we got to this point or what should have been done this summer, it was about why in November 2021 the board will need to convince itself that Ole should be sacked immediately.I agree that context matters, I just think if you look at only this moment as your context then you miss the wider issue of how we got to this point.
This is it. This is the conformation our board doesn't actually watch United games. They think the results are good enough despite being absolute shit in every single game we have played in the group against much inferior teams.Tweet
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We've actually been just as bad in Europe, it's just that Ronaldo has pulled a few points out of his arse for us repeatedly
Does anyone at the club actually watch our games??
God willingWon't be long until we're facing that reality under Solskjaer
Begin preparations for Watford.
How costly was Ronaldo's goal vs Atalanta, eh?I mentioned previously the CL results might get him sacked. I would have taken that loss against Villarreal because getting out of the group stage is as big as OGS's pay-off.
I am sure if we were 3 or more points off 2nd in the CL group, he'd have been sacked after Liverpool.
Really? Has it taken you this long to realize this?This is it. This is the conformation our board doesn't actually watch United games. They think the results are good enough despite being absolute shit in every single game we have played in the group against much inferior teams.
At most, we deserved a point at home to each Villareal and Atalanta, but never the wins we robbed them of. Didn't deserve that point away at Atalanta either based on performance.Tweet
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Better than what we have if we decide to go for an interim. Players are clearly not playing for Ole nowAlready signed for Newcastle no?
Definitely wouldn't be chasing him though.![]()
They can't, there's just no way. We should've been battered by Villareal and we were incredibly lucky to sneak a point against Atalanta away.This is it. This is the conformation our board doesn't actually watch United games. They think the results are good enough despite being absolute shit in every single game we have played in the group against much inferior teams.
Im getting dizzy we've turned so many cornersWe'll beat Watford and it'll be another corner turned![]()
Exactly what I was about to post. No wondering Ole was beaming after Ronnie’s last minute equaliser.Bloody Ronaldo inadvertently has kept Solskjaer in his job. He looks more fecked off than many about it.
Absolutely. The rot at the club isn’t Ole. If the club continues operating in this manner then expect players like Bruno, Varane, Ronaldo, Sancho, and quite possibly even Rashford or Greenwood handing in transfer requests. I’m not saying this will happen in the next year, but quite possibly in the next 2 to 3 years, if we continue on this path. There is an arrogance at the top of our club, and it’s incredible that the club still operates as if they’re collective shite doesn’t stink. You would think the last 8 years would have added a dose of humility. The moment players start turning them down and asking to leave, and when sponsorship deals get far less lucrative will the Club actually change. We think we’ve hit rock bottom but there is far to go with the glazers still in charge.I'm expecting the incompetence to continue even after Ole's potential sacking.![]()
Naa, the board would have then kept him based on our terrific run in the FA Cup, in which we've already qualified to the third round!We should have just 2 points in the Champions League really and already be out. Think this may have forced Ole out.
We make knockout stages we will only play better teams football wise and be on the end of another hammering. The teams that do qualify will be rubbing their hands hoping they get us in the draw.Tweet
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We've actually been just as bad in Europe, it's just that Ronaldo has pulled a few points out of his arse for us repeatedly
Does anyone at the club actually watch our games??
And you seemingly didn't get the point that I made at all, not only because you failed to understand the point made about managers and you also seemingly didn't understand the context of the conversation. People suggested that the board should take an immediate decision in order to fight for Top 4, the posts I answered to put top 4 at the forefront, not as an afterthought.Top 4 is a pipe dream with Ole at the wheel. You seem to think that managerial ability is the reason I say "anyone is better". It's not. It's the context of his tenure. I think the players are sick of him and think there will be a mass exodus at the end of the season if they're stuck with him until then. I think that the nepotism showed for him is abhorrent. I think that whatever good will he had in his first few years has reached a point where the club is in just as bad of a state as Mourinho with no sign of getting better. That's why literally anyone is a better manager for this club than him. Him continuing to stay here will ruin this club. It'll dig the nepotistic "old boys" club further into the club. It will ruin promising young players' careers. It will cause at least some of our best players to say "I'm done with the club". So yes, call me a moron, but maybe it's time to start looking at how bad things can get instead of foolishly hoping that he has any chance to do anything. There's never a "guarantee". I'm legit sick of people throwing the word around like some manager can come in and get us top 4. We can still reach it, but removing Ole is more about saving the club from yet another lengthy, fruitless, and expensive rebuild and limiting the damage to only this season. Top 4 should be an afterthought.
Of course; look at Bayern and Ancelotti.It has nothing to do with liking them or not, the point is about the personal relationship that Hoeness and Abramovich have with Hiddink and Heynckes, you can't make that out of nothing, it's not something that you replicate. And no I don't think that any of what you wrote is true, it's not for other clubs and it won't be for United, clubs all around the world misjudge managers and find themselves scrambling for replacements what often happen is that they give it to a youth coach or someone linked to the club but that doesn't have the quality or experience.