Majima
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Stop, he's already dead.
Exactly.We will have the better season IMO. Ole is out of his depth, should never have had the job. Look at the way both sides play right now, only one is showing signs of what the manager wants, and it isnt Utd
In the mean time lets hope we can stop Norwich.Nah, Ole just needs 5 more years to build his team and any losses during the rebuild is not his fault.
G. Neville, is that you?Nah, Ole just needs 5 more years to build his team and any losses during the rebuild is not his fault.
I'll prob wait until end of season before praising lampard. He did a grand job at derby and has a squad that should comfortably be in top 4Said it before. There were clear signs of progressive football Chelsea right from the beginning of the season but then there were some posters here creaming themselves over the 4-0.
Clearly shows that you don't need a transfer window to make a team play football.
Fair enough mateI'll prob wait until end of season before praising lampard. He did a grand job at derby and has a squad that should comfortably be in top 4
I agree with waiting until the end of the season to judge Lampard. To be honest since he's fresh off his coaching badges (unlike Ole), you really need to wait several seasons before doing so.I'll prob wait until end of season before praising lampard. He did a grand job at derby and has a squad that should comfortably be in top 4
On face value I'd agree but given the challenges he faced I'd say he did very well to maintain their league position.I agree with waiting until the end of the season to judge Lampard. To be honest since he's fresh off his coaching badges (unlike Ole), you really need to wait several seasons before doing so.
But he did not do a grand job at Derby. He did an average job. Not at all badly, not particularly well. Very, very on par.
Here's a list of 5 seasons Derby had before Lampard finished 6th.
2013–14 46 25 10 11 84 52 85 3rd
2014–15 46 21 14 11 85 56 77 8th
2015–16 46 21 15 10 66 43 78 5th
2016–17 46 18 13 15 54 50 67 9th
2017–18 46 20 15 11 69 48 75 6th
2018–19 46 20 14 12 69 54 74 6th (Lampard's season)
As you can see, he did an okay job at a very well run and stable club. Nothing special. As someone who watched a lot of Derby's football, neither was their style of play. It was more than functional, but less than exciting.
Sorry - grand just means average in DublineseI agree with waiting until the end of the season to judge Lampard. To be honest since he's fresh off his coaching badges (unlike Ole), you really need to wait several seasons before doing so.
But he did not do a grand job at Derby. He did an average job. Not at all badly, not particularly well. Very, very on par.
Here's a list of 5 seasons Derby had before Lampard finished 6th.
2013–14 46 25 10 11 84 52 85 3rd
2014–15 46 21 14 11 85 56 77 8th
2015–16 46 21 15 10 66 43 78 5th
2016–17 46 18 13 15 54 50 67 9th
2017–18 46 20 15 11 69 48 75 6th
2018–19 46 20 14 12 69 54 74 6th (Lampard's season)
As you can see, he did an okay job at a very well run and stable club. Nothing special. As someone who watched a lot of Derby's football, neither was their style of play. It was more than functional, but less than exciting.
Because there is many better RW's available For United than Willian.Why didnt we let Jose buy Willian?
We don't have a RW, nevermind a better one.Because there is many better RW's available For United than Willian.
Exactly.We don't have a RW, nevermind a better one.
We don't have a RW, nevermind a better one.
Manager didn't prioritise signing one? If so, which is likely in my opinion, whose to blame? Its not like we had targets available for good value.. Like Lozano.Exactly.
I said it at the time, but that 4-0 at Old Trafford was one of the weirdest results I've ever seen. You could see that Chelsea were miles ahead of Chelsea.Said it before. There were clear signs of progressive football Chelsea right from the beginning of the season but then there were some posters here creaming themselves over the 4-0.
Clearly shows that you don't need a transfer window to make a team play football.
I think that’s a great assessment of Lampard time so far.I think people look at Chelsea's squad too much and away from the influence that Lampard has with the players at his disposal. There are coaches out there who if given the same resources would mismanage the current bunch and have them underperforming.
Last season the likes of Barkley, Jorginho, Kante, Alonso and Christensen got criticism for their performances. Kovacic / Loftus-cheek from my knowledge hardly played consistently. So Chelsea losing their most prolific player and becoming at present a competitive top four team is down to Lampard's ability to cultivate development beyond the present circumstances of a transfer ban, making the best use of his chances by improving key individual players.
When it comes to the "capabilities" of our squad Rashford, Martial, AWB, Maguire, Lindlelof, De Gea and Pogba for me would get into that Chelsea team. So the question for me is if you give Lampard this United team, would we be in a better position than anything we are currently witnessing under Ole ?
The difference with United fans and Solskjaer, is that the cure to many is to buy an entire new starting 11 somehow hoping it will change the direction of alienating many of the teams weaknesses (phases of play, philosophy, attacking shape, movement, chance creation). However I believe many of those issues specific issues lies with the responsibility of the coaches, so the formula of better players = better results is not true.
United easily. Much better team and play.
Bit different. Lampard didn’t take over mid season with players that had given up to a previous manager. Only time will tell but Lampard appears to have a lot more support from his players than Ole does.This place is comical. Lampard is in his honeymoon phase still just like Ole was in his first 3 months. Lampards taken on a far more complete, well rounded squad and transfer ban and injuries have limited a lot of decisions he’s had to make cos they’ve been made for him. Everyone creaming themselves over how well Lampard is doing vs how Oles doing need to chill out a bit and see how things are looking in a few months time.
Manager is to blame, 100%.Manager didn't prioritise signing one? If so, which is likely in my opinion, whose to blame? Its not like we had targets available for good value.. Like Lozano.
I don't know how anyone looks at their squad and thinks we're on a par. So many options compared to us. A £60m winger that barely gets a game.Was definitely very wrong about them! Thought they'd struggle massively without Hazard but they look really well balanced and good depth everywhere. The young players stepping up, Lampard motivating them and letting them play to their strengths and showing a good balance of squad management to keep everyone engaged.
They essentially have what now looks like a very good 2 groups of 11's.
Gk: Kepa/Caballero
Rb: Azpilicueta/James
Cb: Rudiger/Christensen/Zouma/Tomori
Lb: Alonso/Emerson
Cdm: Kante/Jorginho
Cm: Loftus-Cheek/Kovacic
Cam: Mount/Barkley
Wings: Willian/Hudson Odoi/Pulisic/Pedro
St: Abraham/Barshuayi/Giroud
That's excellent depth tbf, can adequately replace anyone who gets injured and still have a good side out playing the same way. They dont have a star in attack, but it looks like a group who love playing with each other and just so well balanced. We'll see if they can keep it up, but their defensive weaknesses don't look like theyll be that bad that it harms the rest of their game.
Yeah, you only have to look at the top six predictor thread to see that. Now I’m seeing so many people say “well yeah Lampard has an amazing squad”.I think that’s a great assessment of Lampard time so far.
There’s a lot of revisionist history going on here. When Hazard left this summer alot of people said that Chelsea would be lucky to make top 6. Now people seem like it’s been obvious all along Chelsea had a better team all along.
This doesn’t give enough credit to the work and influence Frankie has had on this team in such short time. It’s still early days but what Frank Lampard is doing with this Chelsea team right now is incredible
I actually think there’s a lot of similarities. The Chelsea players clearly were not happy in the straight jacket “sarri ball” system same as our squad hated playing the defensive dross Jose had us playing. Jose and Sarri both old school authoritarian managers replaced by younger x players.Bit different. Lampard didn’t take over mid season with players that had given up to a previous manager. Only time will tell but Lampard appears to have a lot more support from his players than Ole does.
You must be kidding. Before the season started, everyone was saying Chelsea are in a real trouble cause their squad is shite and the manager is too inexperienced. Now when they are actually playing some good football and made 100x more progress in 2 months than we did in 11 under Ole, Ole's fanboys are suddenly saying Chelsea's squad is amazing. No, they, like at least 18 other PL teams just have a better manager.I don't know how anyone looks at their squad and thinks we're on a par. So many options compared to us. A £60m winger that barely gets a game.
unfortunatelySeason isn't over yet lads.
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5 of their starting 11 today would walk into our team. The other 6 are on par with the rest of ours. So they are far stronger man for man. We would have possibly 2 players get in this Chelsea teamI don't know how anyone looks at their squad and thinks we're on a par. So many options compared to us. A £60m winger that barely gets a game.
How many of our team would get in Chelsea’s? Maguire? Pogba? No one elseYou must be kidding. Before the season started, everyone was saying Chelsea are in a real trouble cause their squad is shite and the manager is too inexperienced. Now when they are actually playing some good football and made 100x more progress in 2 months than we did in 11 under Ole, Ole's fanboys are suddenly saying Chelsea's squad is amazing. No, they, like at least 18 other PL teams just have a better manager.
I'd take their fromt 6 and pair it with our back 3 plus the left back.5 of their starting 11 today would walk into our team. The other 6 are on par with the rest of ours. So they are far stronger man for man. We would have possibly 2 players get in this Chelsea team
You need 11 playersI'd take their fromt 6 and pair it with our back 3 plus the left back.
Not everyone.You must be kidding. Before the season started, everyone was saying Chelsea are in a real trouble cause their squad is shite and the manager is too inexperienced. Now when they are actually playing some good football and made 100x more progress in 2 months than we did in 11 under Ole, Ole's fanboys are suddenly saying Chelsea's squad is amazing. No, they, like at least 18 other PL teams just have a better manager.
Leicester and Chelsea comfortably above us at the moment. Maybe I'm onto something when talking about quality of players making a difference.We have more depth but first 11 wise there's really not much in it.
Chelsea are being written off because they haven't bought any players but lost Hazard, when actually they've brought in Pulisic as well as others like Zouma, Batshuayi, Abraham and Mount returning from loan.
Arsenal have made signings after finishing above us, so have Spurs. Let's see what we do in the next week or so but as it stands we could end up anywhere between 4th-8th in my opinion.