Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.

TheMagicFoolBus said:
If you ask really nicely I reckon we'd part with Kepa for that amount
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Most clubs would sell their goalkeeper for that price, the exception being very wealthy clubs with a genuine world class one.

For 40m-50m I wouldn't be surprised if Lunin is available, the other one that come to mind is Bulka he plays for Nice but was at Chelsea's academy. Even someone like Kovar could return to United for that kind of price.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Comparing Onana in his supposed to Prime to a guy at the end of his career, yeah that's a great metric.
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Well when half the posters in the thread are claiming we should have kept De Gea then people are going to push back.

De Gea needed to go and we needed to upgrade the keeper.

The fact that Onana has not been a success doesn't change that but for some reason people always think we should go back to players we got rid of because they weren't good enough. Elanga, Sancho, Garner, Fred etc... it's pretty tedious.

If you want to compare him to other keepers in the league this year then by all means do that.
Although, I'm not sure he'd be a huge problem in a functional team with a good defence in front of him. That's yet to be seen of course.

Ederson, for example is usually considered a good keeper but if you look at his stats, they're surprisingly bad, he's mid-table in the PL for the past three seasons or so. Previously he'd been in the top 5/6. While being excellent with his feet and aiding Man City's style of play, he doesn't seem to make massive howlers but he's not a great shot-stopper and Man City give up so few chances nobody really notices.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Even then, their passing is so similar.
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To be fair it isn't like he's had ball playing defenders in front of him this season. A fully fit back 4 with Martinez and Luke Shaw (a pipe-dream at this point) would make a huge difference to any team playing out from the back.

He's certainly a lot more assured on the ball and teams don't press him like they used to press De Gea. It used to give me heart palpitations watching that last season. But as I said earlier I do find the comparisons to De Gea, who had to go, kind of pointless.
 
Withnail said:
Ederson, for example is usually considered a good keeper but if you look at his stats, they're surprisingly bad, he's mid-table in the PL for the past three seasons or so. Previously he'd been in the top 5/6. While being excellent with his feet and aiding Man City's style of play, he doesn't seem to make massive howlers but he's not a great shot-stopper and Man City give up so few chances nobody really notices.
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Ederson is the worst example to use, because City are an unnatural club, and we don't fit that style. Even under SAF we've played exciting, open football. You should look at Alisson's numbers instead, because he is the profile of keeper we should be going for, while still being able to play from the back.
 
mu4c_20le said:
Ederson is the worst example to use, because City are an unnatural club, and we don't fit that style. Even under SAF we've played exciting, open football. You should look at Alisson's numbers instead, because he is the profile of keeper we should be going for, while still being able to play from the back.
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Yeah you're probably right there. City are a bit of special case.
 
JPRouve said:
Most clubs would sell their goalkeeper for that price, the exception being very wealthy clubs with a genuine world class one.

For 40m-50m I wouldn't be surprised if Lunin is available, the other one that come to mind is Bulka he plays for Nice but was at Chelsea's academy. Even someone like Kovar could return to United for that kind of price.
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Oh I know; I'm being irritating and facetious.

Mamardashvili has all the tools to be an elite goalkeeper - apparently he's Chelsea's long-term target but United might be able to swoop in for him.
 
Withnail said:
De Gea needed to go and we needed to upgrade the keeper.
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So I recall arguing this point at the time that our inability to play out from the back was only partly DeGea’s fault and more to do with our defenders and our midfield. Now Onana is finding the same issue which is why personally I’m kind of reserving judgment on him till we actually get in people in defence and midfield to make use of his abilities.

He isn’t as good of a shot stopper as DeGea but he is more assured with his feet, we just don’t have the players to take advantage of it. Hopefully we get them in soon so we can actually see why so many wanted him.

Still needs to tighten up his actual goalkeeping ability mind as some of it has been terrible. But it was to be expected with him. It’s just we sacrificed shot stopping for his passing and we just don’t have the squad to take advantage of his passing so kind of a waste at the moment.
 
E-mal said:
Honest answer guys; if you were to get rid one of Onana or Mount for the same price we bought them last summer who goes?
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .

I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
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E-mal said:
Honest answer guys; if you were to get rid one of Onana or Mount for the same price we bought them last summer who goes?
I know I’d rid Mount for half the price we bought him, that tells me Obama can be manageable until another summer except if a good deal is available to be made .

I knew he wasn’t that great when we wanted to bring him in but he has not been able to show the other qualities he is good at like playing out from the back because of our poor set up.
Anyways better of a bad bunch is not enough, bad buys all around
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I'd play Obama, can't be any worse than Onana, and he was decent in the White House garden apparently!
 
He really is the least of our problems, I think people are being too hysterical about him. He can be useful if we transition to a system that plays to his strengths instead of whatever the feck we're trying to do right now.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
So I recall arguing this point at the time that our inability to play out from the back was only partly DeGea’s fault and more to do with our defenders and our midfield. Now Onana is finding the same issue which is why personally I’m kind of reserving judgment on him till we actually get in people in defence and midfield to make use of his abilities.

He isn’t as good of a shot stopper as DeGea but he is more assured with his feet, we just don’t have the players to take advantage of it. Hopefully we get them in soon so we can actually see why so many wanted him.

Still needs to tighten up his actual goalkeeping ability mind as some of it has been terrible. But it was to be expected with him. It’s just we sacrificed shot stopping for his passing and we just don’t have the squad to take advantage of his passing so kind of a waste at the moment.
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I take issue with the notion that taking advantage of Onana's footwork would make a meaningful difference in the quality of our chance creation, chance conversion and defensive strength. Early in the season, when we were creating chances, we were poor at chance conversion, but our poor chance conversation had nothing to do with playing out of the back. As the season progressed we continue to be poor at chance conversion but our chance creation deteriorated. Then as the season hhas approached its miserable end our defending deteriorated to the point where a club like Palace stuffed four goals down our throats. None of those deficiencies had anything to do with playing well or poorly out of the back starting with brilliant keeper footwork. There was never going to be a "transformation" of the performance of the outfield players due to the brilliance of the keeper's footwork.

Why it all went wrong is the subject of multiple threads, but the bottom line is that if you cannot covert on your chances there's not much a keeper's brilliance with his feet can be taken advantage of. We're the club that opponents lick their lips over when they see us next on the fixture list and find it easy to blow right through our midfield and take shots from anywhere as they know United don't have a keeper who's a quality shot-stopper.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I don’t think United would be in the market. Onana will be given another year I think

But Ramsdale and Pickford would likely be linked
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If ETH gets sacked & Southgate gets hired then you can bet your bottom dollar that Pickford would be number 1 on his summer signing list & Maguire will play in every game (unless injured or suspended) regardless of how awful he plays.
 
UTD_Since_1978 said:
If ETH gets sacked & Southgate gets hired then you can bet your bottom dollar that Pickford would be number 1 on his summer signing list & Maguire will play in every game (unless injured or suspended) regardless of how awful he plays.
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Henderson at Palace looks good too
 
He's not been a shining success but we just don't have the money to change goalkeepers with much more pressing problems like central midfield, left back and CF that need fixing, plus we'd take an absolute PSR kicking on moving him. He's our first choice keeper next year by default.
 
foolsgold said:
He's not been a shining success but we just don't have the money to change goalkeepers with much more pressing problems like central midfield, left back and CF that need fixing, plus we'd take an absolute PSR kicking on moving him. He's our first choice keeper next year by default.
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We didn't have the money for a GK last year also, and we were is safer hands. Onana needs replacing if we are to have anything close to a successful season next year.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
It'll be interesting to see how his footwork and distribution is when he actually has players to distribute too instead of Rashford who is too lazy to run and Hojlund who is always in the wrong place.
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You're almost there.

Don't you see what others have being saying? The outfielders are not good enough on the ball to benefit from a keeper like onana. Most of us with common sense said the money needed to go to the outfielders first then get your ball playing keeper.
 
This isn’t FM
Onana is going nowhere , he’ll improve next season. 1st season and all that I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt
 
His ball playing is a bit of a liability in my opinion. When he goes long he drills it too low, that's only coming one way in that scenario.

And earlier he put Mainoo in a shocking position with a ball with an arsenal player on his back.

He's decent technically but he doesn't pick the right pass or type of pass too often to add much real value.
 
Longlivekeano said:
Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
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You could probably get Lunin from us.

He is a bit sketchy in the air and hogs the ball a bit but a solid option otherwise. Good shot stopper and great at penalties.
 
I’ll start by saying replacing De Gea was the way to go.

It’s funny to see however that some posters are now blaming the outfield players for Onana’s distribution when De Gea has been destroyed on here for similar passes, where he was deemed the one at fault for putting his teammates in difficult receiving positions.
 
Longlivekeano said:
Who are the obtainable goalkeepers for 40-50m pounds next season?
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Going into this summer with a mindset that we should be looking to spend 45 million on a new GK one year after spending 45 million on a new GK might be legitimately insane.

We desperately need a new starting CB, a new starting DM, and a new starting ST, and probably 3 or 4 squad players as well.

Onana has been somewhere between average and poor, but he has also been a victim of circumstance. We've had no coherent defense in front of him for most of the season due to injuries and we've also been nearly historically bad in terms of scoring goals. I don't care who your goalkeeper is, if you're scoring 55 goals a season you're not going to compete for anything.

Buying another starting GK would be a massive misappropriation of funds and I sure hope that SJR isn't that foolish right out of the gate.
 
Keep him for another year and see if he can improve his consistency. He does pull off some good saves but also leaks far too many shots that should really be saved. Just no consistency in his form, but I wouldn't bin him off straight away, he has shown sparks of what he could be.
 
Withnail said:
Ederson, for example is usually considered a good keeper but if you look at his stats, they're surprisingly bad, he's mid-table in the PL for the past three seasons or so. Previously he'd been in the top 5/6. While being excellent with his feet and aiding Man City's style of play, he doesn't seem to make massive howlers but he's not a great shot-stopper and Man City give up so few chances nobody really notices.
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Astute observation, they are similar and probably Onana would do great for Man City. And Ederson would be wrecked with us.

He is the wrong fit for us, we needed other areas fixed before getting this type of keeper.
 
Let’s be honest here he hasn’t had a proper defence infront of him all season. Can’t remember the last time we had a proper defence. I’ll make up my mind next season provided we are lucky with injuries
 
When we were awful during the DeGea years, his miracle saves kept us from having relegation form. We weren’t scoring for fun but DeGea made those 1 and 2 goal games not turn out to be losses. We are even worse going forward now, but Onana’s frequently underwhelming performances turn those 1 and 2 goals we scored into losses or draws. Change nothing else but Onana for DeGea and we are on a lot more points, top 4 maybe, and certainly not knocked out in the first round of the CL.

Onana is not our most pressing need this summer but without a 20+ league goals per season striker, his mistakes will be magnified cuz we won’t be able to offset scoring 1 while conceding 2. I’m sure he’ll be around another season but he’s not a top keeper.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
When we were awful during the DeGea years, his miracle saves kept us from having relegation form. We weren’t scoring for fun but DeGea made those 1 and 2 goal games not turn out to be losses. We are even worse going forward now, but Onana’s frequently underwhelming performances turn those 1 and 2 goals we scored into losses or draws. Change nothing else but Onana for DeGea and we are on a lot more points, top 4 maybe, and certainly not knocked out in the first round of the CL.

Onana is not our most pressing need this summer but without a 20+ league goals per season striker, his mistakes will be magnified cuz we won’t be able to offset scoring 1 while conceding 2. I’m sure he’ll be around another season but he’s not a top keeper.
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The longer he goes without a club, the better he gets. :lol:

If you'd said De Gea of 5/6 years ago, you might have a point. But that De Gea doesn't exist any more and with the De Gea of last year we'd be no better off, probably worse off as we'd give up even more chances on goal.
 
I very much doubt the club will change course on a relatively expensive keeper after one season even if the manager changes.

He has been poor in his goalkeeping abilities but they'll be hoping if they can stabilise this team next season he might be less exposed. Not sure his shot stopping or some of his positioning will ever be up to snuff but there will be other areas of the team they focus on first.
 
Onana had a god awful start, but I dont know if there are actually many keepers who could have put up with the amount of shots he's had to deal with the last 6 months. He may not be the long term solution, but he's way down the list of our current problems.
 
FujiVice said:
Onana had a god awful start, but I dont know if there are actually many keepers who could have put up with the amount of shots he's had to deal with the last 6 months. He may not be the long term solution, but he's way down the list of our current problems.
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Why does everyone keep saying this? No one has used this excuse for any keeper ever in the history of football. Sure he will concede more goals but that doesn't excuse making fk ups. A sht keeper is a sht keeper. Sheffield Uniteds keepers are being given a load of sht. No one is saying 'oh that's not ghier fault. They face too many shots.' I swear United are the Kings of excuses
 
UpWithRivers said:
Why does everyone keep saying this? No one has used this excuse for any keeper ever in the history of football. Sure he will concede more goals but that doesn't excuse making fk ups. A sht keeper is a sht keeper. Sheffield Uniteds keepers are being given a load of sht. No one is saying 'oh that's not ghier fault. They face too many shots.' I swear United are the Kings of excuses
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Basically, he’ll be a great keeper for us if we don’t allow shots against
 
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